MrSirLordGentleman
10.18.15 | I pick the first one |
trve
10.18.15 | i prefer the black metal waves |
qwe3
10.18.15 | so trve |
qwe3
10.18.15 | 1st wave fo sho |
Friday13th
10.18.15 | depends where Priest belongs :] |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.18.15 | Along with Sabbath, Priest is the band that fits in both eras I believe so it might depend on wether you prefer 70's or 80's Priest |
TheMagicalBlender
10.18.15 | 1st wave fo sho [2] |
SharkTooth
10.18.15 | 70sPriestisBetter so 1st |
NeroCorleone80
10.18.15 | First if only for Sabbath |
Friday13th
10.18.15 | have to go with first wave too but not to say I don't love NWOBHM |
StarlessCore
10.18.15 | 10 and 1 are the masterpieces within the genre, some of it lame but theres no american thrash or anything ive heard better than those 2. those r just the height of classic heavy metal imo |
SharkTooth
10.19.15 | Idk were there any classic Ameican heavy metal bands from the 70's? I can't think up any atm |
Friday13th
10.19.15 | Captain Beyond off the top of my head |
beefshoes
10.19.15 | Iron Maiden |
SharkTooth
10.19.15 | "Captain Beyond off the top of my head"
never heard of 'em tbh |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | duuuuude |
Friday13th
10.19.15 | duuuuude [2]
Sir Lord Baltimore too. Blue Cheer was heaviest in the late 60s but they're 'merican too. |
SharkTooth
10.19.15 | idk, maybe I've just been unlucky or something
but yeah I have heard of Sir Lord Baltimore and Blue Cheer |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | There's also Grand Funk, more blues oriented but hell, among the most talented ever |
Friday13th
10.19.15 | yeah their song Paranoid is ironically another classic! |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | totally better than Sabbath's Paranoid it has the best wah-wah ever |
Sevengill
10.19.15 | In Rock, Sad Wings, and Rising are insurmountable |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | And that's why the first wave is way better |
wham49
10.19.15 | Sabbath can only be in the first wave, I would say priest, only in the nwobhm; could they be pre nwobhm, because they really come right in the middle, like Motorhead, although Motorhead doesn'r belong in either. They had influences from the first wave, and were influencing to NW
but first wave all the way |
wham49
10.19.15 | Also, Captian beyond is not a Metal band, by any def.. American hard rock/ metal in the 70, nobody can think of The Alice Cooper Band, MC5, Stooges, Mountain, Blue Cheer, Aerosmith, Ted Nugent |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | Sabbath's Dio era is totally NWOBHM and Sad Wings/Stained Class era Priest's sound is closer to the first wave than the second.
I don't see band's like Aerosmith or Alice Cooper fitting in heavy metal, same goes for Stooges or MC5 since they're closer to Punk. As for Captain Beyond and specially Mountain I'd say the can fit the heavy metal label since besides Sabbath there isn't a 70's band that totally fits the whole concept of heavy metal without a big part of its sound belonging to hard rock |
wham49
10.19.15 | your right about priest's sound but nobody in America ever heard of them until 80-82, also, Aerosmith and The Alice Cooper group are as close to "Metal" as Def Leppard, Uriah Heep, Zep, Budgie, Nazareth.
I would say, Mountain, Captain Beyond, Uriah Heep, are about the same type music, neither Genre we are talking about though. Mountain is the hardest of these.
Sabbath with Dio was an old, tired thing, Sabbath was Sabbath, you can't attach them to a musical movement, even with a borrowed singer |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | Dude, the fact that you don't like Dio-era Sabbath has nothing to do with the fact of them belonging to a genre or not. I really think H&H and Mob Rules are one of the better examples of the typical NWOBHM sound, now, if it sounds good or not it is a totally different topic |
wham49
10.19.15 | It would be like saying Ozzy was a NWOBHM act |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | I don't know if it is the best example but I don't think it would be nuts to say Blizzard of Ozz is a NWOBHM album |
wham49
10.19.15 | disagree, it never occurred to me now to even consider that a possibility, NWOBHM is not a "genre" or didn't start out that way when they were first using that term. It was for NEW bands going in a new direction or expanding on what the first wave were doing. |
wham49
10.19.15 | totally agree about whats good, there are 2 kinds of music. good music and anything else |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | Not necessarily, while it is true the term applies to most heavy british bands from the 80's it is also true that, just like you said, 80's Sabbath did sound like a totally different band, and so did Priest.
There are some notorious differences that can apply to most 80's band when you compare them to their 70's counterparts, for example in the 70's the blues influence was still pretty big and you can certainly notice that in riffing and soloing, etc... |
deathschool
10.19.15 | Deathcore >> |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | christian death metal >> |
wham49
10.19.15 | I think that is why Priest should be in NW because they were industrial, no blues whatsoever starting around 79, more famous for that. I have said before they should not be called Sabbath, but still, not sold on them being NW still more blues than anything else, when I think NW i think Maiden, Priest, Diamond Head, Saxon |
eddie95
10.19.15 | first wave |
wham49
10.19.15 | british metal bands starting after the death of the first wave of punk,78-79-82ish. A little punk, little first wave, faster tempo, less blues riffs, that would be my Def. of NWOBHM. Dont see how they fit the bill except the time period. Priest was everything but the time period, they before the first wave of punk |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | The riffs on Sad Wings follow the same blues influence you can find in, for example, Deep Purple, a style that totally changed in their 80's album. As for Sabbath, the blues influence on the Dio era is almost non-existent, the riffs and the whole instrumentation is way closer to Maiden than to older Sabbath |
wham49
10.19.15 | maybe, I think they are far from Maiden, but definitely less bluesy than the Ozzy years.
I agree about the 70's priest sound, but ask any ordinary metal fan and they have no idea what Sad wings is, they would be more familiar with british steel forward probably, that is part of my argument, and Sad wings was released 6-7 years after the first wave started |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | "I agree about the 70's priest sound, but ask any ordinary metal fan and they have no idea what Sad wings is" totally agreed on that sad fact but I don't know if that means it can't qualify as part of the first wave just because it wasn't popular, plus Rising was released the same year and I haven't seen anyone saying it is an NWOBHM. If we refer strictly to the years I'd say NWOBHM started on 1980, during the second half of the 70's the first wave was definitely less popular but I wouldn't say it was "dead" |
wham49
10.19.15 | agreed on all, I think Rainbow starts farther back though, and they stuck closer to the first wave formula. Didn't say it was dead, but many people of the time acted that way, people moved on quick back then, look at all the great waves of music back then, Sid Vicious, was know to walk around with a shirt that read, Pink Floyd Sucks, and they were around only as long as the oldest first wave bands |
MrSirLordGentleman
10.19.15 | Oh well, if there's something good about it is that moving on so fast works as proof that the 70's had so much to offer |
wham49
10.19.15 | totally |
JamieTwort
10.19.15 | First wave, easily.
Both Sabbath and Priest were nowhere near as good when they went NWOBHM
Maiden are the best NWOBHM band but not as good as first wave Sabbath or Priest
Lightning to the Nations is the best NWOBHM album partly because it still embodied much of the sound of the first wave |
wham49
10.20.15 | Agree Jamie, with most, so you would put Sabbath and Priest in 1+2, Priest came too late for 1 but have the 1 sound early on, Sabbath were 10 year vets by then, still viewed as the old guard |
BigLeach65
11.19.15 | I personally love the first wave of british metal considering I absolutely love paranoid and led zeppelin 2
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BigLeach65
11.19.15 | And rainbow of course
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