ZippaThaRippa: True Detective: Season 2 Finale

ZippaThaRippa 08.10.15	Yeah man. What's your thoughts?
ZippaThaRippa 08.10.15	Ooh let's play spot the liquor placement: Modelo Especial, Johnnie Walker Blue Label, Three Olives Vodka, The Kraken Black Spiced Rum. What am I missing?
Negator 08.10.15	Never watched that. Don't really like detective shows
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.10.15	so... i didnt read this cuz spoilers but should i bother with season 2?
ZippaThaRippa 08.10.15	Fuck no. Watch season 1 again. Forget there is a season 2.
Nocturnalize 08.10.15	Finale sucked and the whole season did tbh
Rowan5215 08.10.15	I watched until episode 5 and gave the fuck up after that shit-eating sideshow that passed for a battle at the end of that episode. such fucking bullshit, waste of my time
sumyunguy 08.10.15	I actually thought the finale was awesome. The season 1 finale I found pretty underwhelming, actually, though the whole season was obviously much better than the second. Cohle's blissful optimism seemed too unrealistic of an ending. This finale had massive feels, what more can you ask for? Its a huge turnoff to me when a show or movie goes to painstaking lengths to tie up every single loose end. Yeah, some things that seemed important earlier were not fully fleshed out by the end, so what? The show was able to convey just how sickening this level of corruption can be, and did its job to that end. What did you really expect to happen in 90 minutes, a developed and logical resolution to every potential loose end that popped up in the previous 7 hours? I found Season 2 to be a little underwhelming overall, but I think you're being a tad too harsh here, it really wasn't that bad.
brainmelter 08.10.15	yeah this show is a about a whole lotta nothing
Rowan5215 08.10.15	yeah the season one finally was largely rubbish as well Nic does not know how to conclude a story to save his life
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.10.15	season 1 finale was good.
Rowan5215 08.10.15	good at about a 5/10 level which was a huge step down from the rest of that season
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.10.15	nah it was fine ur too young to know
Rowan5215 08.10.15	yea I guess when you get old you appreciated cliche hilbilly incest villains in the place of cosmic lovecraftian level horror that they've been building up to for a whole series
ZippaThaRippa 08.10.15	Maybe Carcosa could have been more mind blowing but at the end of Season 1 I at least felt like something had happened. In season 2 I felt like nothing at all was achieved.
Rowan5215 08.10.15	Carcosa wasn't even the main problem (although it was just a bunch of moodily lit hallways with debris in them) it was that the indescribable, unattainable sense of doom that pervaded that season was provided by the hints of there being something beyond comprehension at play when the endgame was literally just that there were three hillbillies doing fucked up shit out in the woods. It's such a disappointing ending that I find it hard to rewatch that season now knowing that the superb build up is ultimately for absolutely squat. But agreed it's most likely still better than whatever shitfest this season ended with
Halfman 08.10.15	I agree that season one was much better than this season, but I think this is a huge overreaction. It sucks that Ray, Paul, and Frank are all dead, but I like that they all died because of their individual problems. If Ray wasn't so concentrated on the recording he may have lived. If Frank wasn't too proud he may have lived. If Paul wasn't so ashamed of his secrets he may have lived.
Halfman 08.10.15	Also... Mass Effect 2 is the best game in the series.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.10.15	"yea I guess when you get old you appreciated cliche hilbilly incest villains in the place of cosmic lovecraftian level horror that they've been building up to for a whole series" deal with it lil bitch
Rowan5215 08.10.15	yeah I did my expressing my anger through a music website what's your problem with it bitch
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.10.15	"it was that the indescribable, unattainable sense of doom that pervaded that season was provided by the hints of there being something beyond comprehension at play when the endgame was literally just that there were three hillbillies doing fucked up shit out in the woods" "cosmic lovecraftian level horror that they've been building up to for a whole series"" yeah u really were just way off the mark for pretty much everything the whole time and just set urself up for disappointment. your own fault.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.10.15	like it sounds like u just had tantric sex with a dimension shifting goddess of witchcraft and then sobered up and realized it was just some fat chick all along.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.10.15	cosmic lovecraftian horror lmfao ugh get out of here
Rowan5215 08.10.15	nah it was just badly written tbh
Rowan5215 08.10.15	that dimension shifting goddess was a beast in bed tho
SitarHero 08.10.15	I steered clear of Season 2 knowing that it would be nothing but disappointment compared to Season 1, but damn, at least Season 1's nihilism was somewhat sexy.
Gameofmetal 08.10.15	bad list
JWT155 08.10.15	Season was a disaster, a poor attempt at a modern Greek tragedy and really went nowhere during it's 8 episode span.
JWT155 08.10.15	Season 2: 2.4/5. Honestly, if the show wasn't named True Detective and didn't have the A List star names, no one would have been watching.
DungeonBoy 08.10.15	I loved season 1, hated season 2. It's interesting they waited till the last episode to reveal Bezzanine's telepathic powers and Frank's ability to clone himself at the moment of death. what a let down.
JWT155 08.10.15	The final episode really showed how lazy the writing was this past season.
Rowan5215 08.10.15	"reveal Bezzanine's telepathic powers and Frank's ability to clone himself at the moment of death" lmao wait did this actually happen?
DungeonBoy 08.10.15	lol, might as well. I was stoked in the third episode when we saw the bird mask.. but then that pretty much went nowhere.. I miss Carcosa.
JWT155 08.10.15	Yea the whole crow helmet was such an underwhelming reveal.
sumyunguy 08.10.15	Everyone's saying this season went nowhere except it did go somewhere. Corrupt politicians/cops went in on a huge land deal using influence they obtained from money they got from a diamond heist decades back and happened to screw Frank out of his money. When an official investigation was called into Caspere's murder they freaked out that they would be exposed and hired their own "investigators" in Paul, Ani and Ray but had plans to frame them from the get-go. Paul, Ani and Ray realized this at some point and fought to stay elusive and tried to leave the country because it was their only shot. That's the gist of the plot. But I think the writer cared a lot more about the character development than the actual plot and put most of his effort into that. But how can anyone say the show went nowhere when there was a pretty logical sequence of events, despite some admittedly convoluted writing.
Balerion 08.10.15	^agreed 100% with everything you said. while I am not ready to say that I enjoy this season more than season 1, there were a lot of aspects of it I really enjoyed. I think that the low critical scores are undeserved.
JWT155 08.10.15	All of the reveals were hardly surprising, interesting and even in the end completely off the wall. There's corruption in this town? Yea, the audience has known that since Episode 1. Would have been much more interesting if the first half of the season hid the corruption and made the revelations of it more intriguing. The robbery reveal was almost insulting. Really? Two random characters from Episode 2 were children of parents slain at the jewelry store robbery? Why not just make it a barista, or the light engineer. Crappy writing, almost no way the audience could have anticipated that and it was lazily plucked out of thin air and completely deflated the intrigue and mystery behind the crow mask. Caspere's murder was the center of the whole season and it was lackluster because it was a character we never meet and even through all the information that leaks out about him, he still comes across as an alienated device merely to function as a connection of the story. In all, i think this season went too big. What made season 1 great was it concise, only 2 main characters, a straight forward story that had plenty of room for character depth, growth side stories and it never felt excessive. This season is the definition of bloated; had too many characters, too many locations, too many backstories and through all the chaos the show delivered a confusing story with very little empathy from the viewer. The show built up tremendous suspense over a mystery that turned out to be ultimately predictable.
ZombicidalMan 08.10.15	I am pleased that we share the same views, zippa I have so much I could say but I feel like others have already done so. A lacklustre season driven by a boring mystery, which revolved around a lot characters we never knew or even cared about. And why did they use Lera Lynn songs drenched in reverb for 92% of the show's music? Goddammit.
Gameofmetal 08.10.15	nah season turned out great vince vaughn fucking killed it, I mean who saw that coming
sumyunguy 08.10.15	"Crappy writing, almost no way the audience could have anticipated that" "The show built up tremendous suspense over a mystery that turned out to be ultimately predictable." Isn't this a bit of a contradiction? Also, I agree regarding how Nic Pizzolatto clearly overreached a bit with the grandiosity of everything going on this season and, like I said in my first post, Season 1 was obviously better, no argument there. Too many underdeveloped characters that were brought up later nonchalantly, as if expecting the audience to quickly know who "Burris" "Holloway" "Davis" "Dixon" were, which is totally unrealistic. Every time they mentioned those names I had to google image who the fuck they were lol. Nonetheless, the plot made sense and it was hard not to sympathize with Frank and Ray. Every actor did great but fuck if Colin Farrell doesn't deserve the MVP. Amazing performance.
JWT155 08.10.15	I don't consider it contradictory. A good show leaves subtle clues with nuance to hint at future events, for instance the lead up to the Red Wedding in Game of Thrones was superb with subtle details foreshadowing future events. Apart from a 2 minute scene in episode 2 and the paper trail leading to the movie set, there is absolutely no way the viewer can make a connection between Caspere's murder and the culprit.
SitarHero 08.10.15	'"Crappy writing, almost no way the audience could have anticipated that" "The show built up tremendous suspense over a mystery that turned out to be ultimately predictable." Isn't this a bit of a contradiction?' Not if the audience was anticipating something unpredictable.
sumyunguy 08.10.15	One thing I will say about Pizzolatto's writing, in both seasons, is that he really tends to lack subtlety. All the sex scenes and gratuitous talk in season 1, despite having crazy hot girls, were completely unnecessary. A lot of the dialogue in season 2 was really too straightforward and a bit cringe-worthy. He relies heavily on shock factor and left field to make his points. Obviously the man has his flaws. But what I ultimately judged both seasons on is watchability and how engrossed I was in the show. Both seasons satisfied this and that's why I can't consider either season a failure.
sumyunguy 08.10.15	"Not if the audience was anticipating something unpredictable." Yeah but if the audience was anticipating something unpredictable then they certainly got their wish and wouldn't be left pissed, which they obviously were.
JWT155 08.10.15	Really tho? Velcoro picks off 2 out of the 5 men chasing him only to jump from behind a tree to get blasted, and oh by the way this is after he effs up and visits his kid one last time AND after he found a tracker on his car and didn't just try to take the cash and split. Frank meanwhile finds a way to cross paths with the Mexican cartel AGAIN and literally their only purpose this whole season was to be the entity that kills Frank. Other than killing a few people, the Mexican Cartel offers no other substance to the show, they're just a conveniently written in group/character that serves a singular purpose and were crudely one dimensional.
sumyunguy 08.10.15	They were watching Velcoro from the SUV, where was he going to go on foot? The visiting his kid was obviously a stupid move, but the entire season it's very apparent that he's crazy about his son and most of his misery is because he can't be with him, so at least his decision is believable. In that situation in the woods, him getting killed was inevitable. One guy versus 5 guys in bullet-proof vests. The jumping out from behind a tree was just one way of confirming this. The mexican cartel did appear at the end out of nowhere, but this was also to some degree believable. If you fuck over dangerous people (established, considering their ruthless murder of that one girl) you can't expect to get off scot-free. As if you can just set a casino on fire and flee without any issues, considering how many people's money was tied up in it.
Gameofmetal 08.10.15	i sorta get where the complaints about not knowing the bad guys and stuff but at the same time i want to put it up to people just wanting their hands held and to be told everything instead of paying attention
JWT155 08.10.15	That's such a cop out, I don't need my hand to be held, Mad Max is a great example of a film that let's the film do the talking, free of explanations. This past season of True Detective is just plain sloppy. Edit: I watched last night's episode with a group of friends and we had to stop the episode numerous times to iron out who was what and what was going on. We've watched a ton of shows together, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, we even started watching LOST together when it first aired and we've never had to stop a show mid episode before to figure out what was going on.
Gameofmetal 08.10.15	eh i thought it was pretty good all around missing old carcosa right about now tho
sumyunguy 08.10.15	I honestly wonder if everyone's reaction would be the same if this was the first season of True Detective and there was no Carcosa to measure up against.
DominionMM1 08.10.15	Season 1 being so good certainly didn't help season 2's cause but it still would've been panned because it just wasn't very good
Gameofmetal 08.10.15	it hasn't been panned exactly, more like mixed reception some critics liked or even loved it and others didn't, that's not the same as being panned and it was good
L4titudes 08.10.15	Probably won't be watching this
sumyunguy 08.10.15	Predictions for Season 3? Central Plot: assassination of a public figure, not necessarily political Stars: Jake Gyllenhaal, Michael Fassbender, Julianne Moore
L4titudes 08.10.15	If that was the cast then I would just skip this season and continue on with 3
Riviere 08.11.15	That desert walk was probably the best part of the finale. Too much gloom, tough guy posturing and monologues this season. The diamonds plot line could have been taken out completely.
InfamousGrouse 08.11.15	I was actually looking forward to the finale after two consecutive well-crafted episodes. Oh well..
Trebor. 08.11.15	This season was so bad I couldn't even finish the second episode
ShadowRemains 08.11.15	fassbender would be awesome
ParanoidAndroid96 08.11.15	thought this season slayed, ending was really good I thought. not good as last season, but the first season had some magic going for it
DominionMM1 08.11.15	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3NItT8vlq3I
DaveyBoy 08.11.15	Can't say I would disagree with too much stated here. The performances were all strong (so it was still worth watching), but the writing was just all over the place. I think the major point that I agree with was "the villains were insubstantial". In retrospect, they would have been better off going with an overly clichéd villain, just to make them substantial.
grannypantys 08.11.15	vince vaughn should sue for all the stupid dialogue they made him say (imagine reading that script after you signed on expecting something similar to season 1) the first half of this season is a total throwaway things finally started to happen in the last few episodes even if they were poorly done and had little meaning i liked the salute ray gave to his kid season 2 is not worth your time- unless you like to hatewatch tv
TalonsOfFire 08.19.15	Season 1 : 4.4/5 Season 2 : 3.4/5 [2] Season 2 had some really great moments, and having just seen the ending I feel pretty underwhelmed despite how well done and stylish it was. Also lmao at how all the women raise babies while the men all died in battles by the end.
DominionMM1 08.19.15	Rewatching the first season to remind myself that nic pizzolato can actually do something great if he has a director who knows what they're doing