HellPriest: Bands That Changed For The Worse

HellPriest 07.08.15	The more things change, the more they suck - Al Bundy
altertide0 07.08.15	why do metal fans so often hate change?
dbizzles 07.08.15	I agree about Opeth, but I wasn't along for the ride. I just got into them seriously over the last few years and also thin Orchid and Morningrise are their best by a lot.
HellPriest 07.08.15	I dont hate change. Some bands change for the better. I like that change
RoundOnEndHiInMiddle 07.08.15	i think morningrise is easily best opeth, but i also enjoy primordial's newer stuff too. i feel like they still have a lot of personality and charm to them, whereas i feel like opeth got kind of sterilized.
HellPriest 07.08.15	ive tried numerous times to appreciate newer primordial. i cant get into the void of silence or the twilight of the gods albums he sings on either.
CK 07.09.15	The fact that the first band on this list is Primordial makes me hate your shit
IAMLEGION 07.09.15	A lot of people will say they always sucked but for me definitely Avenged Sevenfold
CK 07.09.15	Porcupine Tree
almosttolerable 07.09.15	Most bands became worse overtime... Weezer Green day Linkin park (sure they werent great from the beginning but ht is still so nostalgic) Good charlotte (at least you can survive their older music) Fall out boy (who were also not great from the start) Pearl jam Avenged sevenfold (i dont care what anyone else says. Waking the fallen and city of evil rule) Muse (didnt really change just kinda became bad) And these are just the popular rock bands. There are so many more
BeneaththeDarkOcean 07.09.15	almosttolerable, more like notsotolerable
almosttolerable 07.09.15	I couldnt agree more ^
HellPriest 07.09.15	CK, I got into Primordial when Spirit the Earth Aflame was released. I worked my way backward and loved Storm Before Calm when it came out. Then it all went wrong.
CK 07.09.15	The Gathering Wilderness and To The Nameless Dead are what separate them from being just another black metal band
HellPriest 07.09.15	Those two albums have fuck-all to do with black metal. It's mostly mid tempo, zero black metal vocals. They are basically an Irish Doomsword. Doomsword bores me. With StEA, AJE, and SBC, they hit a peak with an original sound. No one sounded like those albums, and still don't
CK 07.09.15	"Those two albums have fuck-all to do with black metal." Exactly, because it's their own signature sound. It has almost nothing to do with folk metal, even. It's esentially a metal version of traditional Irisih folk music. At least TGW is
CK 07.09.15	Also, I have a hard time believing that you can't find The Coffin Ships and As Rome Burns mildly epic at a minimum
someguest 07.09.15	it's getting wurst and it's going to keep getting wurst
HellPriest 07.09.15	Exactly, an Irish Doomsword. Heavy/doom metal influenced by Irish music. They were never "just another black metal band" except on Imrama (which is still quite good).
HellPriest 07.09.15	everyone points to those two songs. coffin ships is ok, but a song about a potato famine is hardly epic to me. i actually listened to TTND today in hopes of stumbling upon what everyone else hears. Nope. Give me an epic like Gods to the Godless or The Burning Season over those two songs.
CK 07.09.15	Agree to strongly disagree
CK 07.09.15	StEA is easly my third favorite Primordial. Yeah, Gods to the Godless is an amazing track. But I think the Coffin Ships goes a lot deeper than being just about a potato famine... gahh
porcupinetheater 07.09.15	Primordial's great now, Primordial was great then.
HellPriest 07.09.15	not true. look at my other list...bands that got better. i like some Ulver....Perdition City, Shadows.., but then you got shit like the Teaching EPs and William Blakes Masturbatory Opus with 20 Minutes of Silence At The End.
Hawks 07.09.15	1, 2, 3, 5 and 7 all still rule.
Artuma 07.09.15	"Yeah, the William Blake album is pretty damn weak for sure" wtf
HellPriest 07.09.15	its fucking horrible
Asdfp277 07.09.15	morningrise sucks
Artuma 07.09.15	william blake is amazing. i do kinda realize why some people wouldn't dig it tho
Artuma 07.09.15	short attention span schroer?
HellPriest 07.09.15	word
Artuma 07.09.15	me too
altertide0 07.09.15	Haven't heard their first 3 but from the rest Blake's their best. The only piece that drags is "A Memorable Fancy, Plates 17-20", the remanining tracks are great and so varied that it's hard to get bored. The 20 minutes of silence at the end of liberty song are stupid though. I'd just cut it and problem gone.
Flugmorph 07.09.15	Strongly disagree with katatonia. Their last lp was their masterpiece so far. I would also add in flames
Artuma 07.09.15	katatonia were way better back in their early days
Flugmorph 07.09.15	They where always good!
Relinquished 07.09.15	not always
adr 07.09.15	agreed with Art
Funeralopolis 07.09.15	almost every band gets worse over time
Cygnatti 07.09.15	"Bands that have change for the worse" This applied to at least 99% of bands out there. Good bands rarely keep churning out good music for very long, it's extremely difficult to do so.
CK 07.09.15	99% is a stretch
HellPriest 07.09.15	Some bands get better with time. The list is evidence
dbizzles 07.09.15	A lot of people will say they always sucked but for me definitely Avenged 'Sevenfold' First two albums are awesome.
CK 07.09.15	Also, some bands just stay consistently good
InFlamesWeThrash666 07.09.15	In Flames
HellPriest 07.09.15	I thought about in flames but that one is just a given. Seriously if someone prefers come clarity over subterranean...well lol
YetAnotherBrick 07.09.15	Opeth's songwriting, dynamics, and variety of textures got nothing but better as they went along. I seriously cannot even fathom how someone can like Orchid better than Still Life and Blackwater Park. Like... wut. Seriously, Orchid is like half trimmable fat
dbizzles 07.09.15	Those two albums are good, but they feel less genuine to me. Orchid is raw.
HellPriest 07.09.15	Exactly. I love the free form feel. SL and BWP just seem so much more basic. I can definitely see why the band gained a large following with those two
dbizzles 07.09.15	Those are the albums I was told to listen to if I wanted to get into Opeth and they didn't do much for me and I kind of figured Opeth wasn't for me. Then, a user here (can't remember who) told me to start from the beginning and bam, Opeth made sense.
LepreCon 07.09.15	If Opeth had stuck to their 'original' sound (which was boring, Orchid is 3/5 at best), they would never have released their actual best albums 'Still Life' and 'Blackwater Park'
HellPriest 07.09.15	I atarted when mayh was released. It was ok. I then tried orchid and MR and ive loved them since. SL and BWP have some good moments but none of the magic of the first two. I can definitely see why most prefer SL and BWP. More clean vocals, cleaner production, more basic songwriting....
LepreCon 07.09.15	Clean vocals are not a bad thing. Better production is not a bad thing. I would hardly call Opeth's songwriting basic but basic songwriting is not always bad. To each his own though.
Flugmorph 07.09.15	i prefer mayh and sl over any other opeth record tbh.
HellPriest 07.09.15	Those arent bad things at all. Just saying those records are easier to listen to.
Flugmorph 07.09.15	they are. i still like their two first records, heck i even like orchid more than morningrise
Asdfp277 07.09.15	If Opeth had stuck to their 'original' sound (which was boring, Orchid is 3/5 at best), they would never have released their actual best albums 'Still Life' and 'Blackwater Park' [2]
CK 07.09.15	"If Opeth had stuck to their 'original' sound " It's funny how their original sound wasn't all that original. Orchid is just a bunch of styles of metal thrown in a blender. SL and BWP are truly original sounds. "I can definitely see why most prefer SL and BWP. More clean vocals, cleaner production, more basic songwriting...." I can't see why people would dig Opeth for more clean vocals since Mikael's cleans are significantly subpar to his harsh vocals. Also, how on earth is the songwriting on SL and BWP more basic than Orchid and MR? Not being argumentative, seriously curious what you see here
romulanrancor 07.09.15	its almost cliche to say metallica lol and yeah bergtatt is amazing
LepreCon 07.09.15	Them being 'easier' to listen to doesn't make them inferior albums. In fact in their case it made them better. But also: "It's funny how their original sound wasn't all that original. Orchid is just a bunch of styles of metal thrown in a blender. SL and BWP are truly original sounds" This
BallsToTheWall 07.09.15	Not even one Manowar comment. I'm hurt. Jk but I agree with 5.
hal1ax 07.10.15	modest mouse !
FearThyEvil 07.10.15	I agree with Hawks but I'll also say 8 is pretty damn good still too. Just ignore the last ep they put out though.
Alkemest 07.10.15	Brand New went to shit after Your Favorite Weapon
SomeSayShesNaive 07.10.15	Elton John
FearThyEvil 07.10.15	"Brand New went to shit after Your Favorite Weapon" ok.......
rufinthefury 07.10.15	mewithoutYou. Pale Horses is great, don't get me wrong, but their first three albums are just way better than anything else they've done. Especially A to B life.
rufinthefury 07.10.15	Also totally agreed on Brand New. Seriously, they made some fucking GREAT pop-punk and they're terrible as a pseudo-deep indie band.
Aftertheascension 07.10.15	where is disturbed and brand new?
rufinthefury 07.10.15	I mean Disturbed has always been pretty much the same old same old.
worthlessscab 07.10.15	still life borders on elevator music but I guess there are listeners for everything
CK 07.10.15	lol Linkin Park
rufinthefury 07.10.15	oh fucking easy one, The Fall of Troy. Their Self-Titled, Doppelganger, and Ghostship are amazing, then they slipped a bit with Phantom, Manipulator fucking sucked, and In the Unlikely Event was just the worst.
Aftertheascension 07.10.15	"I mean Disturbed has always been pretty much the same old same old." Except disturbed made music that was generic but entertaining. And then came Asylum, which is terribad.
Nud 07.10.15	Very much agreeing with number 1. Could never get into them
rufinthefury 07.10.15	IDK maybe I just hold them to a super low standard but I thought Asylum was okay. I mean honestly all their albums kinda seem the same to me.
Space Jester 07.10.15	Pianos Become the Teeth
Space Jester 07.10.15	Decapitated, Lantlos, Lostprophets
rufinthefury 07.10.15	agreed on Pianos Become the Teeth but I still like em. Lostprophets got band after their singer fucked babies.
Space Jester 07.10.15	True but I think Lostprophets got bad after Start Something. I really liked that album and I liked Thefakesoundofprogress even more. Hopefully the rest of the band can put that whole thing behind them, I love what they're doing with Geoff Rickly in No Devotion.
ZippaThaRippa 07.10.15	I feel the opposite about Katatonia. They have continually progressed and improved with age. Brave Murder Day is uninspired, simplistic and hellishly boring.
LepreCon 07.10.15	You're right about Manowar though