SCREAM!: Battle Of The Prog Wave 3

SCREAM! 04.07.14	NOTICE Being that after this round we will be left with an uneven number (3) of albums that means one of these guys gets a pass straight to the finals. So when you cast your 3 votes, add a star (*) next to the album you think deserves a free pass to the final round!
SCREAM! 04.07.14	My vote: Dark Side WYWH CttE *
mandan 04.07.14	Fuck it, I'm gonna go Triple Floyd on this one. Animals*
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 04.07.14	court red animals
emester 04.07.14	Dark Side Red* Animals
SCREAM! 04.07.14	People are bad at reading comments
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 04.07.14	*
SirDrumsalot 04.07.14	Crimson King* Wish You Were Here Close to the Edge
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 04.07.14	the only pf album that should have made it post round 1 is animals dammit guys
SCREAM! 04.07.14	Agreed^^ list is lacking Rush hard
fallenbird 04.07.14	Dark Side Of The Moon Wish You Were Here * Animals Sorry Close To The Edge but Animals has you by the balls with political literature.
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.07.14	Court Red Animals
zakalwe 04.07.14	Darkside* WYWH Animals
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.07.14	Animals*
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 04.07.14	i feel bad for voting against 6 cuz i like it more than 1-4 but animals is perfect
fallenbird 04.07.14	Foxxxy the Floyd made 3 of the best albums ever made they deserve to be here, besides animals is not there best. Wish You Were Here is the best album ever made imo.
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.07.14	Ouch. Animals slays WYWH imo.
mandan 04.07.14	Race is pretty tight.
DikkoZinner 04.07.14	Dark Side Of The Moon Wish You Were Here * Animals
TheCrocodile 04.07.14	Court Red* CttE
SCREAM! 04.07.14	Silly frip just put that star next to CttE :D
Greem 04.07.14	Pink Pink and Pink
Greem 04.07.14	Wish You Were Here* but The Wall is the best imo)
manosg 04.07.14	Dark Side WYWH* CttE
mandan 04.07.14	That must've been hard manosg.
manosg 04.07.14	Selecting Dark Side over Court was a bit hard. However, WYWH is my favorite prog album along with Thick as a Brick so the decision there was easy. CttE was a difficult decision though.
Friday13th 04.07.14	Court Red CTTE*
Friday13th 04.07.14	So basically there will be two winners who will go to the semi-finals and the album with the most *s will be the reigning champion for the final round.
menawati 04.07.14	damn you for putting Red up against wywh, it's like drawing Manchester United in the cup
menawati 04.07.14	crimson king red ************************************* animals
laughingman22 04.07.14	darkside* wish you were here animals
Sniff 04.07.14	darkside wish you were here animals *
mandan 04.07.14	It's pretty close, so one of the KC albums should make it. I really hope Animals makes the final round, one of the best things to come out of the 70's by far.
SCREAM! 04.07.14	Damn danny I'm hoping CttE makes it but I'm starting to lose hope!
JamieTwort 04.07.14	Dark Side Red (fuck, that was hard) Animals*
ale 04.07.14	dark side of the moon* wish you were here
Onirium 04.07.14	The Court Wish You Were Here CttE Seriously guys, Animals is an awesome album, maybe my favorite Floyd, but it can't possibly beat Close to the Edge.
Onirium 04.07.14	^comment editing fucks it all
Jethro42 04.07.14	Court Red Close to the Edge*
mandan 04.07.14	Jethro, did you ever see Yes?
Jethro42 04.07.14	Unfortunately not.
SCREAM! 04.07.14	@onirium you just summed up how I feel about 5 and 6. Both solid 5s but CttE just completely engrosses me like few other albums can
mandan 04.07.14	I completely disagree Oni, but we all have different taste so whatev.
JamieTwort 04.07.14	"Seriously guys, Animals is an awesome album, maybe my favorite Floyd, but it can't possibly beat Close to the Edge." Animals beats CttE by a mile imo.
JamieTwort 04.07.14	One of the easiest decisions in this whole tournament for me.
FearTomorrow 04.07.14	floyd
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	Dark Side of the Moon Wish You Were Here and although I like Yes more on the whole... Animals
BMDrummer 04.07.14	Dark Side WYWH Close to the Edge
menawati 04.07.14	its not even the best floyd album and it going to knock out Red damn
JaySpiral 04.07.14	All Floyd Animals*
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	@menawati: True, Animals is the best Floyd album. Then again Yes's best album Fragile was knocked out...
menawati 04.07.14	voting for elimination of PF from contest bcos they aren't a proper prog band
fallenbird 04.07.14	WYWH is the best Floyd album. Animals might have the lyrical content of political literature but it doesn't even compare to the emotional value the Wish You Were Here has. Songs like Shine On You Crazy Diamond, the title track, and Welcome To The Machine are delivered with more heart than anything on Animals ever does. Both are my two favorite albums of all time but Wish You Were Here remains imo the best album ever made.
menawati 04.07.14	not prog tho
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	From WYWH, my favorite song is "Have a Cigar" so we already disagree on something... Also WYWH is probably my 3rd favorite after Animals and Meddle. Meddle is fantastic and underrated.
JamieTwort 04.07.14	Wish You Were Here is amazing but Animals is perfection.
menawati 04.07.14	^
fallenbird 04.07.14	Other way around Jamie
Friday13th 04.07.14	@fallenbird Agreed dude. Plus Animal's so called political literature is nothing more than glorified commy crap haha.
menawati 04.07.14	haha charade you are ;)
Friday13th 04.07.14	pig and proud ;)
fallenbird 04.07.14	Animals is almost perfect but Pigs On The Wing. They're nice little songs but they aren't perfect. Unlike everything on WYWH.
menawati 04.07.14	animals has more staying power
fallenbird 04.07.14	No it doesn't.
Friday13th 04.07.14	staying power as in when the soviet union collapsed and China going capitalist haha
menawati 04.07.14	but, whatever, just disqualify them they arent prog, Red goes through to next round by default
fallenbird 04.07.14	How are they not Prog? Shine On, Echoes, Dogs, Eclipse are all easily Prog songs.
menawati 04.07.14	just atmospheric space/psych, money is about the only prog song they did
Friday13th 04.07.14	nah brah they're prog just not doodly-doodly prog.
menawati 04.07.14	oh well it was worth a try
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	"Animal's so called political literature is nothing more than glorified commy crap haha." Animals is anti-communism. It's based off of George Orwell's Animal Farm.
Friday13th 04.07.14	Oh shoot I just sabotaged the plan ;)
mandan 04.07.14	Both Animals and WYWH rule, but imo Animals was better structured. The case can be made for either though.
Friday13th 04.07.14	@ArsMoriendi I'm not sure about that. You're right about the Animal Farm inspiration but I think they put their own spin on it.
menawati 04.07.14	yeh there's other stuff in there about censorship and other stuff and its actually about capitalism and moral decay
Friday13th 04.07.14	Book was right. Floyd kinda screwed the pooch no pun intended
menawati 04.07.14	cant even remember the book i was thinking about boys in gangs on an island i read at school but that was lord of the flies wasnt it, there is a porno film called animal farm wonder if they were inspired by that
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	Basically Joseph Stalin and Trotsky are pigs, the common people are horses and donkeys, the dogs keep the pigs in power by instilling fear among the people, and the sheep do what they were told. Animals' biggest flaw is that they have no mention of the Horses from Animal Farm.
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	Other than that its perfect^
menawati 04.07.14	it's about capitalism not communism
fallenbird 04.07.14	The horse was the saddest part of that story. I was so sad when he died.
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	Exactly, especially since the Horses/donkey were basically the only likable characters.
menawati 04.07.14	im getting mixed up whether people are talking about the album, the book or the porno film
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	No one is talking about the porno film. We're discussing the book mostly, but still referencing the album.
menawati 04.07.14	so are we all agreed the album is about capitalism ?
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	Yeah, but the book is about communism. I used to imagine what it would be like if Pink Floyd included a song called "Horses" on Animals sung by Richard Wright. Since that lack of those two things were my only gripes with the album. I'm weird I know...
zakalwe 04.07.14	It's a satire on the whole ethos of everything will remain the same no matter what political changes are made.
JamieTwort 04.07.14	"Animals is almost perfect but Pigs On The Wing. They're nice little songs but they aren't perfect." For me the two Pigs on the Wing bookends contribute to the album's perfection. I would actually like the album a little less if they weren't there. Never understood why some people see those tracks as a low point of the album.
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	@JamieTwort: I agree with you so rarely, BUT that I agree with 100%.
zakalwe 04.07.14	I agree with JTs statements on a scale of about 92% and that one about the bookends is definitely one of em.
NeroCorleone80 04.07.14	In the Court, Red*, Animals
Onirium 04.07.14	So there will be 3 Floyd album in the finals... Ok, cool, but only Animals and some other songs are prog. Also, Animals is only loosely based on Animal Farm, as the album doesn't have any storyline or plot. Floyd used the concept of animals representing classes of society, but they adapted it and "put their own spin on it."
menawati 04.07.14	disqualify PF not prog
Onirium 04.07.14	^Animals is prog
SCREAM! 04.07.14	Gonna have to disqualify PF and name CttE the big winner, no choice left
AnotherBrick 04.07.14	pink floyd for all
menawati 04.07.14	you know it makes sense scream
menawati 04.07.14	is just a bit of fun and gets people talking bollocks for a bit so no harm really
Onirium 04.07.14	Yeah the contest could have included modern prog bands
SCREAM! 04.07.14	"this was the most pleb prog 'contest' ever" Yeah let's have a contest with only albums that have 5 or less votes so no one can participate and we can feel good about ourselves
SCREAM! 04.07.14	@Onirium it could've included a lot of things but for the sake of keeping this -somewhat- concise and making it accessible I stuck to the bigger names/albums of the "classic" period
menawati 04.07.14	lots of the people on this thread listen to all sorts of prog old and new, most of my reviews are recent or obscure older prog too
SCREAM! 04.07.14	Well if they haven't heard them it's a bit harder to properly vote for them eh ;)
mandan 04.07.14	The discussion on this thread got pretty dumb tbh.
menawati 04.07.14	well, iluvatar the prog lovers on here is a pretty small set of people, most new prog that get's reviewed here gets very little attention, it would probably be an exercise in futility to do what you suggest
mandan 04.07.14	Also lol @ disqualifying Floyd.
climactic 04.07.14	dark side wish you were here close to the edge
SCREAM! 04.07.14	IF I wanted to inform people of new records I don't see a contest as being a very effective way of doing that. If people see a huge list of choices they don't know well they're gonna move on. If I wanted to introduce people to new albums I'd have made a list of "Under appreciated prog" or some variant of that where I can write a bit of a descriptions and people can go check out the ones that sound most interesting to them.
Onirium 04.07.14	@Iluvatar: I'm pretty sure WYWH will win, though
menawati 04.07.14	No its obviously better to do lists of things that aren't well known to try and help people find new stuff, but a contest like this would be pointless for less well known stuff. i mean, this was one of the best prog records last year and has 3 votes :- http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/60689/Birds-And-Buildings-Multipurpose-Trap/ If you are saying that the contest in itself is pretty pointless then I'd agree but theres no harm in it.
SCREAM! 04.07.14	Also I'd be pretty surprised if DSotM won. But then again, I've seen a few surprises already so far in the tournament which is why I think this kind of thing is still interesting even if it doesn't lead to new music discoveries
Onirium 04.07.14	@SCREAM!: Some newer prog is very well-known (on Sputnik) and not necessarily "under-appreciated."
mandan 04.07.14	This should be a tough count SCREAM!.
menawati 04.07.14	illuvatar, thats a good idea really to pair things up like that, i sorta tried something similar with a very floydy group called Future Kings of England once but it died a death really
SCREAM! 04.07.14	Some probably would have looked it up, yes. But even if they did, how do you expect it to compete against an album they've been listening to for years and grown attached to? Like I just explained, I stuck to the big names because for one I didn't want this to drag on forever with 10000 different matchups that don't stand a chance against each other. If the point of the list had been to push new albums I would've gone about it differently but that just wasn't what I was going for. Tbh, I've found it interesting so far. I didn't expect Rush to be knocked out first round even against an oponent like PF or Camel to be completely obliterated by King Crimson and although I knew PF would be a big contender I wasn't expecting all 3 of their albums to go all the way like this. So it's interesting to watch unfold. Godamn I put way too much effort into this response
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.07.14	Court of the Crimson King Wish You Were Here Close To The Edge
mandan 04.07.14	The match seems pretty even. It's clear that all 3 bands have strong fanbases on the site.
Onirium 04.07.14	Yeah, but it's all the same fanbase
menawati 04.07.14	not sure about that, a lot of people like PF who dont bother with much other prog at all
mandan 04.07.14	Not really. I'm not a big Yes fan, for instance. Regarding Rush, I think they got beat 'cause tons of Rush fans are into Floyd, yet tons of Floyd fans aren't into Rush.
SCREAM! 04.07.14	In the "real world" no doubt. But on a site like this I saw potential for albums like CttE, Thick As A Brick, Red, In the Court, Hemispheres and maybe even Mirage. I knew Floyd would do well but I didn't expect the final to be all Floyd like it seems to be heading for
Onirium 04.07.14	@menawati: Because, as you said, Pink Floyd are not really prog. @SCREAM!: It's because in the "real world" and on Sputnik, Floyd are better than most of the others
ArsMoriendi 04.07.14	Still sad Fragile didn't make it.
Veldin 04.08.14	court red CttE
mandan 04.08.14	Oni, it's generally accepted that Floyd was one of the major prog pioneers. And saying that Floyd is objectively better than most of the other bands is dumb tbh. Having said that, I will admit that they are my fave on this round, and one of my overall faves in all prog. But prog is prog, music is music, and at the end of the day, no band is objectively better than the other. It's all perspective. Although I do indulge in band comparisons, album bashing, musician bashing, etc. from time to time. But it's all opinion.
Friday13th 04.08.14	If you guys want a contest of obscure prog I have an idea. You do need time to kill, but if you're on this discussion you're clearly not short of it ;) We form a group of dedicated sputnik proggers like ourselves to each rec one obscure prog album (arbitrarily...
Onirium 04.08.14	@dannyboy: I know I was only trolling Rush.
mandan 04.08.14	Fair enough dude.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.08.14	amoun duul ii >>>>>>
Friday13th 04.08.14	...
Friday13th 04.08.14	okay why is my computer acting up. Anyways, we each rec an album with arbitrarily less than 50 votes, form a bracket, and listen to them all as they come before voting. I know, the words I'm saying are worthy of the noble prog prize.
menawati 04.08.14	yeti and phallus are up there for sure
menawati 04.08.14	review yeti potsy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.08.14	i dun review shit
conesmoke 04.08.14	darkside, red, close 2 the m/ edge
menawati 04.08.14	yes you do i distinctly remember you destroying a beefheart album
SCREAM! 04.08.14	@Friday make an empty list and edit it as people suggest things! It'll be easier to organise that way than in here I think haha although if you wait 2 days this tournament will be done
menawati 04.08.14	what does forming a bracket involve, are we going to do DIY ?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.08.14	"yes you do i distinctly remember you destroying a beefheart album" yeah i mean i review 1/5 albums once in a while blood mountain and queef mask
Friday13th 04.08.14	Alright bros, look to me for the next time-wasting prog tourney after the final round! GO CTTE!
Onirium 04.08.14	@Friday: ur a god. But seriously do it there are plenty of albums that need to be listened to.
menawati 04.08.14	make it less than 10 votes tho bcos less than 50 is pretty much every prog album on here that isnt in this contest
menawati 04.08.14	@pots might do yeti but finding it hard to see the point when so few people on here would even bother with it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.08.14	yeah id write reviews for this site but all the users here are retarded and only know how to listen to new deftones and swans albums
Friday13th 04.08.14	@menawati as soon as I make the first list, I'll put the album I'm recommending and if you want in, you rec your album. I'll probably just do one on one battles so you give each its due time. If there is a huge response I'll divide the groups so you don't have to listen to every album, but the idea is for all of us to hear something new and then vote.
menawati 04.08.14	fuck there isnt even a review for phallus
menawati 04.08.14	sure friday but please only allow stuff with less than 10 votes theres still plenty of those
Friday13th 04.08.14	I dunno man 10 is pretty limiting. I can't say I know too many with less than 10 ratings myself. You can always rec an album with less than that if you want, but I'm not sure we'll get people to join besides you and Jethro haha. Come on, Danny here is just starting and he's eager beaver #1.
SCREAM! 04.08.14	The one I'm thinking about has less than 15 so that'll have to be good enough for you mena!
menawati 04.08.14	well 20 maybe then, like i said if you make it 50 thats pretty much everything on here outside the big 5 or 6 bands
Friday13th 04.08.14	I'll be counting how many votes under 50 it had at the start and if you win then you get that many "elite points" and some deep respect! Bands like Van Der Graaf Generator are still out so we're shafting some great stuff.
menawati 04.08.14	dont overcook it man hehe
Friday13th 04.08.14	overcooked is better than undercooked. Isn't that the prog motto? lol
SCREAM! 04.08.14	Haha yeah not sure how far elite points will get anyone. But 50 eliminates VdGG, Renaissance, ELP, Harmonium, Caravan's biggest albums, Alan Parsons Project, Mike Oldfield,amongst others. So it might not be that bad a number
menawati 04.08.14	oh i thought this was going to be more recent stuff than that
SCREAM! 04.08.14	I thought it was old or new
ValarMorghulis 04.08.14	2, 4, 5
menawati 04.08.14	i predict chaos, us prog fans couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery
SCREAM! 04.08.14	Worst that'll happen is the thing turns into a shit storm and we all discover a few albums along the way haha might as well go for it
mandan 04.08.14	Who won?
SCREAM! 04.08.14	Triple Floyd. Fuck this site
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 04.08.14	fuck this site [2] you idiots
osmark86 04.08.14	In the Court of the Crimson King Wish You Were Here Close To The Edge dunno if voting is closed, but that's my contrib.
menawati 04.08.14	just make 2 finals - one with the PF albums and another set of 3 with the proper prog albums that came highest
SCREAM! 04.08.14	@osmark yeah, it's closed but every album that's leading is leading by more than 1 so the extra votes wouldn't really change anything
osmark86 04.08.14	oh well, to me CttE tops it anyhow.
SCREAM! 04.08.14	Same here. But even counting your vote it still needed 4 more to catch up to Animals :(
osmark86 04.08.14	another case of failed democrazy
adr 04.08.14	well Animals > so.. xD In The Court must be in the top 3 tho, followed by WYWH and Animals for me.
lensag 04.08.14	in the court of the crimson king red animals
Hovse 04.09.14	Damn