pjquinones747: Breaking Bad Finale: Thoughts?

pjquinones747 09.30.13	And any aftermath you can offer would be cool to hear.
climactic 09.30.13	didnt blow my mind but it was really fucking great and basically the best way it could have ended. jesse choking todd was so fucking satisfying, as was walt shooting jack in the head. almost teared up at jesse driving away screaming in happiness. also loved the flashback when walt was at his old house, and the gretchen and elliot scene was genius.
pjquinones747 09.30.13	Yes. I chuckled when Eliot raised the little knife against Walt. Also chuckled when Marie said "Walter think's he's some criminal mastermind.. Well, he's not."
Ignimbrite 09.30.13	100% perfect
Calc 09.30.13	please god tell me its a series finale?
pjquinones747 09.30.13	Yes Calc you can be happy now
suppatime 09.30.13	badger and skinny pete coming back was the best shit ever
Mike08 09.30.13	It was fine. What people don't seem to understand is that Ozymandias was the climax. For all real tense and purpose the show was over then. These last two episodes were exposition. People might be disappointed because Breaking Bad has constantly delivered twists, layers, surprises... It built upon itself while expanding its empire. This final episode(s) was the show wrapping up. Ask yourself; would you have enjoyed Jesse dying? Skylar getting capped by Walt, Marie killing Walt, Holly getting kidnapped, Brock getting in the crossfire? These would all have been twists that no one wanted. As BB has always done, it played its hand naturally. And so the final chapter must be fitting, not twisting.
lucasjcockcroft 09.30.13	^ the show never forced anything, if it wrote a character into a corner, then it ended, they never pushed anything beyond realism a great ending great show
grish 09.30.13	'For all real tense and purpose the show was over then.' I've seen errors in trying to say 'all intents and purposes' before, but how did this happen also, didnt blow my mind but it was really fucking great and basically the best way it could have ended. jesse choking todd was so fucking satisfying, as was walt shooting jack in the head. almost teared up at jesse driving away screaming in happiness. also loved the flashback when walt was at his old house, and the gretchen and elliot scene was genius. [2]
pjquinones747 09.30.13	I agree Mike. Completely and utterly.
Duckman118 09.30.13	That last scene with Walt in the meth lab, basically Heisenberg ending where he began, was awesome. Tears may or may not have been shed :'(
pjquinones747 09.30.13	I was a little upset by him dying then and there, tbh. Expected it to go on a little more after that.
TMobotron 09.30.13	"Ask yourself; would you have enjoyed Jesse dying? Skylar getting capped by Walt, Marie killing Walt, Holly getting kidnapped, Brock getting in the crossfire? These would all have been twists that no one wanted. As BB has always done, it played its hand naturally." yes yes yes. I think the people who were disappointed in an ending that wasn't shocking have the wrong expectations. Yes, it's great when there's a really well-executed and satisfying twist or surprise in a show/movie. But any options for that here would've resulted in a less satisfying conclusion to a 6-year series that has just been spectacular. It's so much more beneficial for the series as a whole to have such a great conclusion to everything and everyone we've been so invested in for years.
sniper 09.30.13	100% perfect [2]
jmnewcomer18 09.30.13	overrated ass show is finally over? thank fuck.
Scoot 09.30.13	"for all real tense and purpose" lolwut goat show, ending was predictable but still awesome. agree that ozymandias was the real finale, hell they could have just ended it with walt driving off with vaccuum guy
sniper 09.30.13	jesse choking out todd was a highlight of the series for me. and walt's device for killing the aryans was up there with the the magnets thing for coolest walt toys.
sniper 09.30.13	"overrated ass show is finally over? thank fuck." reported
Judio! 09.30.13	My friend told me that he didn't like how Walt got such a great ending; he'd rather just have Walt get shot in the head by Jack, which would be more realistic. I had to explain to him that Walt got a shit ending. Just because the last episode worked out in Walt's favor, doesn't mean Walt didn't still get fucked over. Honestly, it was the best finale of any show I have ever seen, and I don't say that lightly. Everything got worked out and destroyed in the end...and all at the same time. The best thing in the episode was seeing the "hitmen" turn out to be Badger and Skinny Pete. It's nice to see that, amidst all the darkness, Breaking Bad still never lost its sense of humor.
pjquinones747 09.30.13	"walt toys" They should compile a book with all of his toys to show people how its done
TMobotron 09.30.13	Ozymandias might have been the flashiest or even the best, but I don't agree with the thought that it was the "real finale". Everything was wrapped up beautifully tonight.
Scoot 09.30.13	people who don't like bb are either people who irrationally hate popular things or retarded
Judio! 09.30.13	Agreed with TMobtron. Ozymadnias added immensely to Walt's conflict, but it sure as hell didn't Walt's story.
jmnewcomer18 09.30.13	Its probably cuz im retarded or something.
Faraudo 09.30.13	It was amazing, fullfilling and a great epilogue to the best show of all time. I'm calling it an "epilogue" because Ozymandias was the ending of Breaking Bad.
MeatSalad 09.30.13	10/10 show, ending was everything it needed to be
Crymsonblaze 09.30.13	it was ok show is a 6/10
ButtsoupBarnes 09.30.13	am i the only one that hated that lydia phone call? it was completely unnecessary, we already got it. he poisoned her with the ricin. the show didnt need to tell it to us through walt pointing it out. other than that: fantastic. especially the "i did it for me. i liked it" part.
tempest-- 09.30.13	agreed if they can do cigarettes -> WALT KILLED BROCK without having to straight tell us they didn't need to do the lydia phone call i mean i didn't hate it but oh well
Rowan5215 09.30.13	It needed more Saul. Seriously I'm disappointed he didn't appear Also, as some people have said it would've been nice to have some closure on Marie's story, just a scene at the end or something. I mean, wasn't the episode originally going to be 75 minutes long? It couldn't have hurt to add in some extra scenes Other than though, perf
climactic 09.30.13	"especially the "i did it for me. i liked it" part." omg yeah. walt FINALLY admitting his narcissism and self righteousness
climactic 09.30.13	it was 75 minutes w commercials. i'm liking this episode more and more just from talking about it, will rewatch today. so fucking good
tempest-- 09.30.13	75 with ads i believe rowan
climactic 09.30.13	"agreed if they can do cigarettes -> WALT KILLED BROCK without having to straight tell us they didn't need to do the lydia phone call i mean i didn't hate it but oh well" well they did do the zoom in on the lily of the valley in walts backyard at the end of that season. a lot of people had a problem with that
Rowan5215 09.30.13	Oh 75 with ads right I just watched it on the internet Well I still think they could've added a bit more to it and as people have said a funeral for Hank would've been a sweet addition but yeah I am liking this the more I talk about it The final shot of Jesse was absolutely perfect
demigod! 09.30.13	the last jesse scene was amazing, he really seemed like himself for the first time in years
tempest-- 09.30.13	idk i think the audience should be smarter than having to be told exactly what happens the people that don't understand probably enjoy the big bang theory so they deserve it
Rowan5215 09.30.13	The Lydia call part wasn't necessary to show that she was poisoned because as Lloyd said I think most people got that But it was nice to see her character completely and utterly defeated it wouldn't have felt like closure otherwise
Avagantamos 09.30.13	badger and skinny pete coming back was the best shit ever [2]
Emyay 09.30.13	the ending was fantastic. amazing show
FloatHereForever 09.30.13	I was....alive
lacesout39 09.30.13	Yep, the point of the Lydia phone call was so we could all relish in Heisenberg's final revenge, telling Lydia that she's going to fucking DIE. Not to clarify something that was already heavily implied.
CK 09.30.13	Idk. I'm satisfied. Jesse owned. Walt died. Still pissed about Hank and Andrea though
tempest-- 09.30.13	they could have shown her dying without the phone call
demigod! 09.30.13	i dont really get why walt needed to kill lydia tbh
tempest-- 09.30.13	no loose ends idk
Adabelle 09.30.13	"they could have shown her dying without the phone call" < No because that wouldn't really achieve anything, she didn't know she was dying/why. Also watching her realisation in the conversation was pretty satisfying
tempest-- 09.30.13	yea but she'd still be fuckin dead
YourDarkAffected 09.30.13	I can't help thinking the ending was too clean. Like Walt should have suffered more in some way. The music at the very end threw me off and I'm not sure I liked the upbeat quality of it. I'll have to watch the finale again just in case my feelings change.
YourDarkAffected 09.30.13	Also that his family will end up getting his money. I have mixed feelings about that. On one hand, it's kinda cool that all the money he made over the course of the show wasn't wasted, but on the other hand, it seems wrong that he deceivingly gave it to them through Gretchen and Elliot when they've been outspoken about not wanting it as it's blood money and represents all the terrible things that have happened to them. Seems like Walter ended up winning in the end more than he should have.
YourDarkAffected 09.30.13	and it seemed the way the show was heading was that Walt would pay for everything he's done, but instead it feels like everyone else paid for it, and he died content like he had some sort of redemption in the end. I think in some way they should have shown him regretting all that he'd done rather than still feeling it was all justified. I'm sure I'm in the minority on that, and it kills me to feel that way about a show that I've loved so much over the last few years, but it was just underwhelming for me.
wacknizzle 09.30.13	Similar to how I predicted it would turn out, but things didn't go much how I expected. Awesome ending, best I could have imagined it
SirDrumsalot 09.30.13	Ended pretty much perfectly in my opinion.
Trebor. 09.30.13	If Jesse were the one to tell Lydia about her fate: Yo Lydia, how you likig dem flu symptoms. RICIN BITCH
Trebor. 09.30.13	"i dont really get why walt needed to kill lydia tbh" lol she wanted Skylar dead too, not that he knew that but still
Trebor. 09.30.13	No one is mentioning how genius the M60 mechanism thing is Like damn of course Walt would use his particular skill set to beat the nazis People thought he would just go in guns a blazing Scarface style, like damn that ain't Walt's style, plus he's probably too weak to even hold the thing Fuckin genius what he came up with I was on my feet for that scene, so awesome
pjquinones747 09.30.13	Still pissed about Hank and Andrea though [2]
pjquinones747 09.30.13	I don't think that part was ever explained
Trebor. 09.30.13	yeah the 38 snub, great fuckin episode that was That part was an homage to Taxi Driver I believe The prison hit from Gliding Over All was an homage to The Godfather The part where Walt gives Jesse the gun is an homage to The Searchers borrowing from the best
slep 09.30.13	pretty good but it's no Sopranos finale 11/10
Trebor. 09.30.13	"I don't think that part was ever explained" ??? pretty self explanatory, it makes sense he would use his same gun connection to get his new gun, he probably kept the dude's phone number or whatever
slep 09.30.13	i think it ended the right way. some montage showing everybody living on would've probably been a little cheesy
pjquinones747 09.30.13	I would've liked to see maybe a couple things like them digging to find Hank and Gomy, Jesse presumably taking over the father role for Brock, maybe something concerning Holly.
slep 09.30.13	i imagine Jesse is going off the radar (maybe Alaska!). you have to imagine that if he turns up in ABQ it would just be too weird/ suspicious maybe he becomes a lumberjack with Dexter
chemicalmarriage 09.30.13	The phone call with Lydia at the end was perfect too. Great ending to a great show.
Narshh 09.30.13	Gus watches Mike choke the last member as Don Eladio dies. Walt watches Jesse choke Todd as he shoots Jack. parallels, bitch. Jack also kills hank and Walt reacts like Gus when Don Eladio killed his friend/partner Also really want to stress that the last 2/3 of this episode were so surreal (walt appearing like a ghost - a symbol for greed, pride, id etc - in the mansion/with, todd (who, aside from dressing like old walt, was almost done growing a goatee too haha) and lydia in the cafe, etc. Like the fact that he somehow found badger and skinny pete, got the ricin in the packet (all doable, I agree, but still add to grand and almost over the top luck of walter white. He's the devil like Jesse put it - smarter, luckier..just better than you). I feel like his end might have been in that car, either caught or dead. He was talking to heisenberg as walt - saying just get me home ill do the rest - and we saw him magically reach New Mexico, say his goodbye to skylark, give his son the distance he needs, ultimately saved jesse, died by his own contraption, etc. I love how Jesse stood as the symbol of every terrible repercussion of Walt's actions - a battered, bruised prisoner. Also the fact that it's only when Walt finally disregards money and shoots Jack point blank that Jesse frees himself from his shackles. Incredible, incredible show. Phenomenal finale in how subtle it was in all the RIGHT breaking bad ways. An episode only Vince Gilligan could write/direct.
MO 09.30.13	finale was beyond amazing I had NO idea the rycin would have been for lydia. so good
KerfuffleinaHussle 09.30.13	Everyones on about all this shit with hidden meanings and Jesse being a metaphor and Walt secretly repenting his sins by giving his son distance etc, yeah yeah yeah For me it was just something about Walt lying dead on the floor, just that one shot...damn
balazs 09.30.13	The finale was superb, I loved it! I had only one question though. When Walt said that he hired the best hitmen, who did he refer to? First I thought that Gale hasn't died somehow and he must be the hitman. There were lasers, and Saul said scientists love lasers. But then it seemed a bit silly, but there were almost no other options. Then I thought of Bogdan, but then he has those eyebrows, man, it must be living hell snipin' with those ones. That's why I think Brock was the hitman... actually he wasn't a hitman, just a boy playin' with them lazers. Brilliant writing, loved it!
climactic 09.30.13	^ lol
MO 09.30.13	you must be joking otherwise god. damn.
Apollo 09.30.13	It was perfect. The best television show I have ever seen. No TV show has ever been that satisfying in every way.
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	It was a very satisfying finale, though in this episode there were a atypical Breaking Bad matters. For instance: how could Walt have known the neo-nazis would let him park his car in front of the building where they 'negotiated'? How could he have known the walls were thin enough to shoot through? And how likely it would have been for cops to patrol in front of Skylars new house? Yet he stood there to watch Flynn go inside. But I can't complain, best show ever.
Trebor. 09.30.13	"I would've liked to see maybe a couple things like them digging to find Hank and Gomy, Jesse presumably taking over the father role for Brock, maybe something concerning Holly." this would have totally ruined the entire show
balazs 09.30.13	Best show ever, agreed. Walt had always a lot of luck, and I think in the end he didn't really have anything to loose. That's why he counted on some luck when he visited Skyler, and parked the car.
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	"The best thing in the episode was seeing the "hitmen" turn out to be Badger and Skinny Pete. It's nice to see that, amidst all the darkness, Breaking Bad still never lost its sense of humor." Though it was reasonably funny, I was actually disappointed they weren't real hitmen. Would have been a last showcase of Heisenberg's power that once was.
pjquinones747 09.30.13	Some of that is the flawless Walt-intuition, but he probably prepared with a gun powerful enough and having powerful enough bullets to penetrate a wall stronger than that of which he would predict it to have.
Apollo 09.30.13	Did you see the size of those bullet holes? That shit could punch through a tank.
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	Yeah, but still. The gun shot through the frame of the car and the walls and yet the bullets were flying straight and powerful enough to kill half a dozen of people.
Trebor. 09.30.13	Thank God we didn't get a fucking Lost type ending with everyone hugging and smiling and shit with high key overexposed lighting in slo-mo with touching piano and plenty of loose ends left untied
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	I have never watched Lost, I couldn't stand the hype.
Trebor. 09.30.13	"Yeah, but still. The gun shot through the frame of the car and the walls and yet the bullets were flying straight and powerful enough to kill half a dozen of people." The M60 is the largest machine gun that can be operated by hand It's a fucking beast and its bullets are bigger than your dick
Trebor. 09.30.13	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO
ZippaThaRippa 09.30.13	That is a large bullet.
DrMaximus 09.30.13	It'll rip your dick off.
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	Hmm okay, fair enough. Not about the dick part though. Still I believe a solid brick wall would have made that gun useless.
ZippaThaRippa 09.30.13	Well it is a TV show
pjquinones747 09.30.13	I was hoping it wouldn't be like a Lost ending as well. I watched that show all the way through and loved it, but the ending makes it impossible for me to ever want to go and rewatch it. Really hated that.
ZippaThaRippa 09.30.13	Remember the gunfight where the Nazis opened fire with several fully automatic weapons (including an AA12) at only a handful of meters and Hank was hit a grand total of 1 time. In the leg.
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	"Well it is a TV show" Yup, not complaining. Just pointing that out. Best show ever. Best ending ever still remains on the side of The Shield for me.
Trebor. 09.30.13	"Still I believe a solid brick wall would have made that gun useless." The bullets mostly went through the windows I believe
ZippaThaRippa 09.30.13	No fuck that. I stopped watching the Shield after Shane capped Lem. I cried. I couldn't watch the show knowing that they didn't know.
pjquinones747 09.30.13	Somebody on Facebook spoiled Hank's death for me. I raged about it for a while but was still able to get the full effect of the sadness due to the fashion in which it happened, plus I didn't know Gomy had died with him.
pjquinones747 09.30.13	"The bullets mostly went through the windows I believe" If you watch again you will see most if not all of the bullet holes going through the wall.
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	""The bullets mostly went through the windows I believe" If you watch again you will see most if not all of the bullet holes going through the wall." Here you go: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2z7n6eq&s=5#.UkoLToZ7KSp
MO 09.30.13	anyone have any idea how the police came in the end? I know it's small but I was like wait huh? maybe he just gave an off camera call before heading into the compound?
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	"anyone have any idea how the police came in the end? I know it's small but I was like wait huh? maybe he just gave an off camera call before heading into the compound?" I recall pretty long and pretty loud gun firing =D
Trebor. 09.30.13	The M60 is loud enough that you would hear it from quite a distance
MO 09.30.13	hmmm I guess. I thought they would be in the middle of nowhere, but yea
Trebor. 09.30.13	That last shot was kind of like the crawl space shot, where the crawl space moment was arguably his lowest moment (probably second to Hank dying), and this moment being catharsis
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	I wish they'd made some BB mugs. I really want a mug. Especially a BB mug. But I don't see mugs in the BB store, let alone a BB mug store.
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	I see that as a form of redemption. It was very heartwarming, I think, how after everything Walt put him through he still recognized that Walt DID save him a number of times as well and tried to steer him on the right(er) track within the limits of their meth business. Considering the cold but certain nod.
MO 09.30.13	"I wish they'd made some BB mugs. I really want a mug. Especially a BB mug. But I don't see mugs in the BB store, let alone a BB mug store." you know you can make your own...its not very hard
bakkermaarten007 09.30.13	I have a snobbish tendency to want the official goods. I know, shallow.
YoYoMancuso 10.01.13	it's hard to imagine Jesse nowadays as the guy who once said "Chili P is my specialty"