breakingthefragile: Breaking Bad...Bad Episode?

breakingthefragile 09.23.13	I think it goes without saying that this thread will have spoilers. The reason why I felt so disappointed with this one, is that for a longer running time, and the second to last episode of the entire series, I think at this point the dissonant and relentlessly bleak overcast should have been lessened and the pace should have been picked up. The anguish and torment already reached its emotional breaking point in the previous episode, "Ozymandias," so I would really like a turning point of some kind to start soon. This just seemed really uneventful, which doesn't surprise me seeing as how Peter Gould directed and wrote it, and his pacing is kind of lethargic. That approach is good for mid-season episodes though, not the episode before the series finale.
Mongi123 09.23.13	Bad episode lol How did the pace not pick up? Everything is set into place for the finale with Granite State and the flashforwards. There's nothing more I could ask for.
MO 09.23.13	man they'll either cover a lot in the next episode or it will leave everyone off in a shit situation
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	It just seemed like heaps of over-excessive misery piled on to a frustrating extent. I really would have liked for Jesse to have an uprising in this episode, but they just added killing his ex, which wasn't even necessary since the poor man really can't be broken any further than he was at the end of Ozymandias.
zxlkho 09.23.13	I can't understand how anyone could be disappointed with that episode. I mean...... wat
Azn. 09.23.13	How was that not satisfactory? Once again the show ups the emotional wreckage, with Walt and Sol's parting, the call with Walt Jr., the silenced headshot, and the Grey Matter featuring on TV? That was such a miserable and emotional episode, just not on the visceral level ozymandias was
demigod! 09.23.13	the ending, when they started playing the BB theme over the cops raiding the town... gave me goosebumps
Azn. 09.23.13	oh yeah that too lol that was really cool
climactic 09.23.13	one of the best episodes of the show. that scene with walt jr screaming over walter on the phone.....oh man
Mongi123 09.23.13	At this point I don't think Jesse will have a happy ending. He's completely broken now. Poor guy I fuckin feel bad for him.
climactic 09.23.13	"the ending, when they started playing the BB theme over the cops raiding the town... gave me goosebumps" yeah i had goosebumps the whole last 2 minutes. final episode is gonna be unreal
slep 09.23.13	yeah that fucking headshot. holy shit. they've built Todd up to be a creepy, weird piece of shit in such a great way. overall, i thought this episode did a pretty great job of bringing the series full circle. watching that Grey Matter interview, you totally get to see that Walt is right back where he started: humiliated, belittled, and angry. now we presumably get to see him attempt to regain all he's lost in one swoop
theshelfmaster 09.23.13	if jesse dies without escaping and/or at least killing walt it's stupid and i won't like it
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	@azninva5in That's just what I took issue with. Enough with the emotional wreckage already. Ozymandias was the perfect climax for that, how about we show some sort of indication that the pace is going to pick up? Dark and overbearingly depressing developments are good for when the season is building up, but you can't have too much of that after the peak of it all. Ozymandias showed that everything has finally gone to shit, and what has this episode done? Showed that things are still hopeless? It seemed to me that there wasn't too much progress until the last 5 minutes.
slep 09.23.13	I feel like Jesse almost has to have some sort of retribution or even revenge against Walt, or even Todd for that matter. That character has been crushed so much that something has to give at this point; otherwise it's the most depressing character arcs ever haha
TheSupernatural 09.23.13	I can't understand how anyone could be disappointed with that episode. [2] It was intense and it finally sets up everything perfectly for the final episode. You know shit is going to go down. My bet is that the final scene will be Jesse with a gun at Walt's head, much like the end of season 4. Before Jesse has a chance to pull the trigger or pull away, the credits roll. We'll never know how it really ends.
theshelfmaster 09.23.13	^that would be retarded
climactic 09.23.13	"Before Jesse has a chance to pull the trigger or pull away, the credits roll. We'll never know how it really ends." dont even say that holy fuck that would ruin the entire series for me in 1 second
Funeralopolis 09.23.13	that would be retarded [2]
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	@TheSupernatural I wouldn't get your hopes up for an ending like that dude. Vince was asked in an interview whether or not the ending would be "ambiguous" or "open to interpretation" and he just flat-out said there wasn't anything ambiguous about how it all ends.
theacademy 09.23.13	Fantastic episode I thought Also I've been saying for all last week that I think it will end with Walt killing the Nazis and saving Jesse and then Jesse killing Walt to end it, but now I'm so pumped up about them bringing back the gray matter ego trip and firing Walt up about that... I can't wait till next weeks finale...
climactic 09.23.13	gilligan said the last episode would be "ultimate closure" or some shit like that so i really hope jesse kills walt somehow
Mongi123 09.23.13	No no no we will not have another sopranos on our hands that would be a fuckin terrible ending.
Funeralopolis 09.23.13	Also that episode rocked, had some nice character development going on amongst all the shit storm that has been brewing. The conversation between walt jr and walt was pretty brutal, and the isolation in the cabin was exhausting to watch.
ShadowRemains 09.23.13	"My bet is that the final scene will be Jesse with a gun at Walt's head, much like the end of season 4. Before Jesse has a chance to pull the trigger or pull away, the credits roll. We'll never know how it really ends." this isn't the fucking sopranos
Mongi123 09.23.13	Yea why would you want that ending lol
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	@Funeralopolis I think the concentration on the cabin isolation scenes was a bit too heavy. I agree that it was exhausting, but not in the best of ways. It felt it kind of started to drag when I was actually more eager to see what was going on with Jesse. I guess I honestly felt like I just expected less bleak setup, and more of the ball quickly rolling towards the finale since its the second to last episode of the series.
theshelfmaster 09.23.13	I agree this episode could have moved faster and jesse's scenes lately remind me too much of theon greyjoy season 3...but they had to have walt in nh and stuff that would have seemed really rushed if he was only there for a few minutes or somethin
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	If Jesse doesn't brutally murder Todd personally I will be pissed.
theshelfmaster 09.23.13	walt's coming to jesse though and i think when he sees him he's gonna care
climactic 09.23.13	"LMAO you think he cares about walt now? if he goes after anyone now it'll be todd!" disagreed hard walt is the reason behind literally all the shit he's gone through
slep 09.23.13	there should be some sort of zany, comedy spinoff where Jesse adopts Brock. they could call it "Breaking Dad" or something
Mongi123 09.23.13	Jesse will kill them both I think but who knows anything could happen.
TooLateToGoBack 09.23.13	I think any episode of Breaking Bad, or hell, any other show would be disappointing after the brilliance of "Ozymandias".
TheSupernatural 09.23.13	"If Jesse doesn't brutally murder Todd personally I will be pissed." I can toast to that.
climactic 09.23.13	yeah that was like the episode to end all bb episodes but this one was brilliant in its own right, last 10 minutes especially
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	"Breaking Dad" over Better Call Saul, start the petition to AMC.
climactic 09.23.13	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2301451/ fucking 10/10 thats when u know
Wadlez 09.23.13	I love Breaking Bad... but it really gets annoying that whenever anyone comes away from it with a negative opinion in any manner they get attacked...
Mongi123 09.23.13	Whose attacking him we're talking about it lol And Andcas me too. Me too.
Mongi123 09.23.13	I don't think so man. The writers are genius' so I'm confident I'll be happy with it.
WeepingBanana 09.23.13	Saul's last line "It's over" fucking beautiful. you manage that cinnabun saul, you manage it hard
TMobotron 09.23.13	Ugh I don't wanna come off as a dick but I really feel like people who need a show to follow up Ozymandias with something on the same level of excitement don't have the ability to appreciate well-paced shows like Breaking Bad.
Wadlez 09.23.13	Initially that wasn't the case Mr. Mongi.. but I'm mostly venting my frustration from what I have witnessed on other message boards. In those cases if a lone dissenter appears not agreeing with the consensus that every single detail on this show is perfect they get harassed.
climactic 09.23.13	oh fuck i forgot about that saul scene, walt's coughing and breaking down during his attempted intimidation was brilliant. how the fuck can you call this a bad epidode? seriously
climactic 09.23.13	seasons ranked guys? 5.5>4>5>2>3>1
Mongi123 09.23.13	Wadlez, Ahh ok. I haven't been on many BB threads so just thought you were referring to this one. All good.
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	@TMobotron I'm not arguing that I'm disappointed because I wanted this episode to follow-up Ozymandias in excitement, that's not the point of my argument at all. I'm arguing that the progression of the pacing was too deliberate and gradual for the second to last episode of the entire series.
demigod! 09.23.13	too soon to really rank but atm i'd say 5.5>4>2>5>1>3 also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u0PpE8MCmU this made me lol hard
Wadlez 09.23.13	No worries... A symptom of a devoted fan base I'd say
Mongi123 09.23.13	Well I'l quite devoted haha This is one of the best works of fiction in any entertainment medium in a long time imo
climactic 09.23.13	LOL demi that was amazing
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	"I just don't know how they're going to successfully tie up everything with only another hour to spare and so much to cram in" This is actually a major concern of mine and the reason why I really wanted this episode to start to tie things up before the final episode, so I don't have to worry about the finale being rushed and crammed.
Mongi123 09.23.13	Holy fuck I died lol
Wadlez 09.23.13	The last show I never missed an episode as it aired was LOST... Miss those times.. I'd do the same for Game of Thrones if I had HBO. On a side note it seems most of the Dexter fans I know are pissed about the series finale..
demigod! 09.23.13	i cant stop laughing
Mongi123 09.23.13	This, Lost, the novel The Road, and Bioshock are my favorite works of fiction ever.
Trebor. 09.23.13	wtf episode ruled hard
Trebor. 09.23.13	Did anyone even mention how awesome it was to see fucking Max Cherry as the vacuum fixer dude?
DrMaximus 09.23.13	Bad episode? How fucked up is you? I would probably delete this list, if I were you.
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	Better than Granite State: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk-gPmfkMMY
klap 09.23.13	somehow i'm not going to worry about them successfully wrapping things up. episode was perfect. gave walt the reason to go back
Trebor. 09.23.13	When Skylar walked into Holly's room and Todd jumped out it scared the shit out of me
Trebor. 09.23.13	The scene where the nazis were teasing Todd about him wanting to fuck Lydia was ten times funnier than that schlock Modern Family that just won it's 900th emmy
Wadlez 09.23.13	Its a tragedy that Modern Family keeps winning.. It was awesome at first.. last few seasons their have been much better comedies. Also love that Landry from FNL pulls a mean psychopath in BB.. I miss FNL
SgtPepper 09.23.13	I can understand how you feel, Alex. It didn't really have the fast-pace or action of the previous episodes, but this episode was really just meant to set the stage for.... well, we know what's coming. Still, this was far from a filler or a bad episode in my opinion. In fact it's in my top Breaking Bad episodes as of now. This was the moment we've all been waiting for. Seeing Walter White finally reap what he has sown. It was painful to see him completely lose all sense of control and be so isolated from everyone and everything to the point where he's willing to pay someone $10,000 for an hour of company. But I love how in the end, even though he's alone, and he's no longer the head of an empire- Heisenberg is still the egotistical man we know and love. I love how he was ready to give it all up, but just the fact that watching his old colleagues remind him of what a 'nobody' Walter White was, Heisenberg couldn't bare to go down as the 'loser who simply gave up' . I absolutely love it when Walter lets his ego take control, next week is going to be amazing.
demigod! 09.23.13	im just happy my 2 favourite shows (veep and breaking bad) won a couple of awards
Trebor. 09.23.13	the emmys fuck up really hard when it comes to comedy cuz they're all old people who don't get stuff like Louie and what not Like goddamn 30 Rock was good but not the best comedy on tv, and Modern Family is far from it Even fucking Bing Bong Theory was nominated like damn
Mongi123 09.23.13	Yea how about its always sunny. It gets snubbed every year and if anyone deserves an Emmy it's Charlie day. The dude is an great actor.
jtswope 09.23.13	I agree. Episode was a bit weak. Last week's episode might be the best in the series so it was tough to follow that up. But this episode felt like merely setup, and I'm nervous as to whether or not they can tie everything up with one more episode.
Wadlez 09.23.13	How long is the finale?
Trebor. 09.23.13	The part where he's lost so much weight that his wedding ring doesn't even fit on his finger anymore was tragic and the Walt Jr. scene oh man and fuckin every scene goddamn get your head out of your ass breakingthefragile
demigod! 09.23.13	as long as this one was apparently. lord knows how theyre gonna wrap it all up in that time but i trust gilly
Trebor. 09.23.13	Bob Odenkirk should go to a cinnabon in Ohama and work behind the counter just to fuck with people
SgtPepper 09.23.13	"and the Walt Jr. scene oh man" - I knew he was going to reject him. I thought Walt, jr. was going to just hang-up on him, but hearing him completely tell Walt off was rough to hear. When Walt says "it can't all have been for nothing" - damn.
Trebor. 09.23.13	That line sums up everything perfectly
DrMaximus 09.23.13	My download was 52 minutes, so, the finale will be the same amount of time.
DrMaximus 09.23.13	I bet Walt is regretting not taking that offer at the beginning of the show.
climactic 09.23.13	what offer the grey matter?
Wadlez 09.23.13	Copying my comment from the Dexter thread to see some possible opinions. I know most of the BB crew are ignoring that one most likely.. Just a few cents on LOST I don't think LOST ending will ever rank near the top.. although with some people it still will.. But as an overall experience that show has its legacy as one of the greatest. You had to be a part of the community to realize it with all of the episode to episode theorizing.. It was a 24/7 community with some... Stuff like that gets "lost" pardon the pun with people who just binge watch the series after the fact now.
SgtPepper 09.23.13	"I bet Walt is regretting not taking that offer at the beginning of the show." - Not in a million years. I'm certain even if Walt had a 'delorean' of his own, his ego would never let him be subjugated to someone else's form of charity.
SgtPepper 09.23.13	@andcas That was ruthless. Pretty much Gus Fring-level of ruthlessness.
Wadlez 09.23.13	Andcas Holy shit.. especially how quickly and suddenly it occurred after Jesse was caught.. Todd is the fuckin man.. crazy as hell
demigod! 09.23.13	Aaron Paul should win an emmy for that scene alone. that anguish
Judio! 09.23.13	"Granite State" was a masterpiece...I don't know what you're smoking.
Wadlez 09.23.13	Jesse now has Andrea's blood on his hands as well... he should have known that attempted escape caught or not would have had that result due to the photo.. Everyone he loves dies :(
Trebor. 09.23.13	I bet Todd is in to some crazy sexual shit too
demigod! 09.23.13	he's a textbook sociopath p much. never saw it coming
Trebor. 09.23.13	I can't wait for the sex scene in the finale Todd whips his dick out and Lydia is all like "Oh so that's where your swastika tattoo is"
Wadlez 09.23.13	Did you all notice Todd's face when Jesse was talking about him on the confession tape... He looked so satisfied that he was getting recognition for killing that kid
demigod! 09.23.13	i thought the Nazi's were gonna be like, "whoa, hey man that's not cool"... but i guess they're all as fucked up as he is.
Judio! 09.23.13	I'm counting the seconds until Todd is shot in the face. Only then will I be a satisfied.
Wadlez 09.23.13	I bet Todd could kick a mean field goal..
demigod! 09.23.13	yeah im getting real sick of that guys crap... seeing jesse exact his revenge will be the most cathartic moment for him (if it happens)
Wadlez 09.23.13	Not gonna happen.. but I feel like it would be so BB if Todd gets away scot free..
Trebor. 09.23.13	I hope Badger and Skinny Pete raise Brock as their own
demigod! 09.23.13	man i miss those two where the hell have they been?
TMobotron 09.23.13	"But as an overall experience that show has its legacy as one of the greatest. You had to be a part of the community to realize it with all of the episode to episode theorizing.. It was a 24/7 community with some... Stuff like that gets "lost" pardon the pun with people who just binge watch the series after the fact now." Yeah I'm kind of with you, Lost gets mad points for having a lot of depth but being surface-level entertaining on a network like ABC. Its popularity allowed for it to gain so much intrigue through the widespread speculation and conversation about it. It was a great show to follow.
Judio! 09.23.13	"I hope Badger and Skinny Pete raise Brock as their own." That's brilliant haha! Let's turn that into a spinoff, we'll call it "Breaking Dad." EDIT: I see someone thought of that name first haha. Oh well, it still needs to happen.
Riviere 09.23.13	"I'm counting the seconds until Todd is shot in the face. Only then will I be a satisfied." This. I dearly hope he gets offed in brutal fashion. But tonight's episode was perfect, a bit of a come down from Ozymandias, but to reiterate they set it all up perfectly for the finale. I expect fireworks.
demigod! 09.23.13	i hate the character cause he's a maniacal monster.. then again so is walt i guess. but agreed that he is fascinating, i NEVER expected them to go this far with him. also, he's posed such a threat to the characters we've grown to love (despite their rough developments), so naturally we all want to see him skinned and flayed.
demon of surveillance 09.23.13	jesse really needs to kill meth damon asap
Wadlez 09.23.13	Everyone wants Todd to get brutally killed.. I have a suspicion that it may not happen though... He will probably die.. just not in that way. Another hunch is that Todd may kill Lydia in anger over being rejected or something.
TooLateToGoBack 09.23.13	Todd will always be Landry Clarke to me. Dude just took a wrong turn after finishing highschool, is all.
JokineAugustus 09.23.13	Wasn't as good as Ozymandias, but its still a 10 out of 10 episode. Just one of many. Finale might be the episode that has a chance to top Ozy.
Nocturnal 09.23.13	Walt kills the nazis, then gets killed by jesse, and then jesse kills himself.
ObakeFilter 09.23.13	Free Bird confirmed for final scene.
Buzzkillr 09.23.13	this will be the first show that I'll have watched the entirety of as it was airing. will feel weird as fuck when it's over.
greg84 09.23.13	Todd and Co. have to die in the last episode. I can't really see this solved the other way.
MeatSalad 09.23.13	it's gonna all be over in a week :[
Mongi123 09.23.13	Assuming it doesn't get canceled by fx. My first will be the Americans. Such an amazing show.
MeatSalad 09.23.13	What
YourDarkAffected 09.23.13	"It was painful to see him completely lose all sense of control and be so isolated from everyone and everything to the point where he's willing to pay someone $10,000 for an hour of company." this^
MeatSalad 09.23.13	it was sad as hell, but when you've got millions of dollars in a barrel right next to you it's probably pretty easy to piss out money
Mongi123 09.23.13	That was heartbreaking. Funny, after all the shit Walt has done, I still care about him for some reason. Poor dude never wanted all this to happen maybe that's why.
MeatSalad 09.23.13	It's hard to stop liking walt, i can't do it even though vince gilligan wants me to
Deviant. 09.23.13	Do not understand how anyone could take issue with this episode, it was a masterpiece that even outdid Ozymandias "Enough with the emotional wreckage already." What were you expecting? He just left his family behind, and the last thing he wants to be doing is hiding. Were you expecting him and Saul to trade joke in the bunker? "Dark and overbearingly depressing developments are good for when the season is building up, but you can't have too much of that after the peak of it all." It's still building. Penultimates are meant to set every thing in place for the final run. Ozymandias might have been the peak, but after the fall comes the fallout. That was quite possibly the greatest way to move time forward in such a short period of time Like I respect other peoples opinions and tastes but we clearly weren't watching the same episode. Because that was a masterclass
MeatSalad 09.23.13	Agreed, I loved it and i feel like breaking is complaining about all the things about the episode that made it good
Deviant. 09.23.13	Anything high tension-wise would pale in comparison to the emotional damage of last week's episode, so instead they gave us Walt ruminating on all that he's caused to his family. And what motivates him at the end - is it his son yelling at him, or his ego kicking in over the Gray Matter segment on the tv? Absolutely brilliant. Calm before the storm has never been done better
MeatSalad 09.23.13	Its also nice that i can safely say i have no fucking idea what's going to happen in the end
Mongi123 09.23.13	It's supposed to be filled with a deep sense of dread, regret, an depression. Jesse's life is broken and destroyed, Walt is alone, Walt jr wants his dad dead, Skylar is in big trouble, and Marie's husband was killed in cold blood in which they all think Walt did it. Why would there not be emotional wreakage?
Deviant. 09.23.13	Because they did that last week, remember?
Deviant. 09.23.13	Walt winds back up exactly where he started - aware of all his failures, and now (again) with nothing to show for it. Full circle
MeatSalad 09.23.13	nothing to show except for a few million he can't even give to his family
Mongi123 09.23.13	"Because they did that last week, remember?" What? Of course I remember that but I'm trying to strengthen our argument.
Deviant. 09.23.13	"nothing to show except for a few million he can't even give to his family" So essentially worthless "What? Of course I remember that but I'm trying to strengthen our argument." I'm mildly making fan of OP
Mongi123 09.23.13	Ohhhh ok haha thought that was directed at me.
Azn. 09.23.13	the part when Todd was threatening skyler in the house was just insanely creepy and really established him as a sociopathic character imo idk if anyone here has seen Funny Games but damn did that scene invoke Funny Games
Azn. 09.23.13	And Andrea's execution was just brutal...I didn't see that coming at all, I thought the nazis were gonna kidnap them...
Deathconscious 09.23.13	i fuckin love this show, but one plot hole i perceive is in the book that hank took from walts house. if he showed that to the DEA and proved there was a link between walt and gale, wouldnt that be enough to get an investigation going on him?
Azn. 09.23.13	except hank kept everything to himself and didn't involve the rest of the DEA
Deathconscious 09.23.13	umm, yep.
DrMaximus 09.23.13	"what offer the grey matter?" Yeah, from his former partners.
Azn. 09.23.13	I thought he'd go after grey matter's execs and kill them but now I think that was just a catalyst for him trying to not get caught
YourDarkAffected 09.23.13	Cannot believe the quality of this season. Based on the last two episodes, I can't imagine how the finale will live up to the hype, but I'm sure I will be blown away again. If the show ends with the quality of the last two episodes it will go down as the greatest tv show of all time.
treeqt. 09.23.13	"Like virtually every other person alive and breathing on the planet, I'm a rBreaking Bad fan." uhm
Minus. 09.23.13	disappointed by the episode? Not sure what you were expecting, but I thought it was excellent and it set up the finale perfectly.
Drummerboy123 09.23.13	"i fuckin love this show, but one plot hole i perceive is in the book that hank took from walts house. if he showed that to the DEA and proved there was a link between walt and gale, wouldnt that be enough to get an investigation going on him?" Hank's pride got in the way. He didn't want people thinking "How the hell did he not see his brother in law being Heisenberg? What a moron" Doesn't matter if he caught him, its the humiliation of Heisenberg being right under his nose.
Trebor. 09.23.13	They consult with the DEA to find out exactly what you would need to bring somebody down like that, so I doubt the book would have been enough I mean just look at real life, there's tons of mobsters that they know for sure did tons of shit, and they end up only being able to get them on tax evasion
breakingthefragile 09.23.13	The episode will probably grow on me after I see the finale and can rest easy knowing the loose ends have all been tied up nicely. After watching it over again however, I still stand by my stance on it lacking a sense of things beginning to wrap up, because I feel like the only real moment that wasn't stationary was on Walt's side and it was in the last five minutes of the episode.
DrMaximus 09.23.13	Andrea's role in the story has been wrapped up nicely.
DrMaximus 09.23.13	"why does everyone hate todd so much? lol dude is a fascinating character." Just because you hate a character doesn't mean they're not fascinating. You would have to be a sociopath to like Todd. How fucked up is you?
YourDarkAffected 09.23.13	"Andrea's role in the story has been wrapped up nicely." too soon, bro.
Buzzkillr 09.23.13	Todd definitely has something planned for Skylar. he has no problem with killing people when he deems it necessary, so not doing so even when Lydia expressly asked him to seems fishy. My guess is he suspects that Walt will come back so he'll use Skylar as bait/leverage against Walt just like he used Andrea for Jesse. didn't buy the "I respect him." line one bit. Also, I think Walt's going back to Albuquerque to deal with the Schwartz's. His pride just took a massive blow and he definitely won't let it slide. The ricin might be just for them.
DrMaximus 09.23.13	That scene really hit me hard, not sure why. It felt like I was watching a snuff film.
Azn. 09.23.13	I still think the ricin is for himself
Buzzkillr 09.23.13	"I still think the ricin is for himself" he honestly doesn't seem like a guy that would go for extreme repentance like that. the previous uses for ricin in the show were for discrete assassinations so...
Trebor. 09.23.13	after last night's episode it's clear he does not want to die I mean he had DIY chemo going on for fuck's sake
ILJ 09.23.13	I thought this episode was absolutely brilliant. It did exactly what it needed to do. Yeah you can't really match the emotional firestorm that Ozymandias had, but it's like Deviant said, there has to be a fallout and it couldn't have been executed any better. This episode was less about a bleak overcast and more about showing that Walter is now quite literally a man with nothing to lose. His empire is gone, his family can't receive the money he set out to get in the first place, and his own son hates him and wants him dead. At this point, Walt only cares about achieving whatever goal he has in mind before being caught or dying. The Heisenberg we've seen so far this season and last is nothing compared to what it will probably be next week. Now he will truly be unhinged.
ILJ 09.23.13	Also, that fucking ENDING. When the title music first came on I thought "Wow this is kinda cheesy" but as the shot progressed I realized it fits everything perfectly. I don't even know how to describe it.
MeatSalad 09.23.13	i don't know if i could take another extra week of waiting
wacknizzle 09.23.13	It's no longer about family now since Flynn told him to step the fuck back, it's all about Walt and what he wants now. He's going to the meth compound and blasting everyone in the way, he'll encounter Jesse at some point and we'll see how that turns out, if Jesse will side with him so they can both make it out alive or if Jesse decides kill Walt which he probably will. Walt still thinks Jesse is dead, he's not expecting to encounter him there, Jesse will probably slip out his cage amidst the chaos. All I know is that things are going to end is hail of gun fire
SpiritCrusher2 09.23.13	the ending, when they started playing the BB theme over the cops raiding the town... gave me goosebumps[2]
wacknizzle 09.23.13	Atleast he has the hair and beard to disguise him a little bit. But yeah I don't know how he expects to make it out of that tiny frozen town with only one way out and desolate frozen wilderness in every direction
demigod! 09.23.13	i'm still wondering how the fuck he gets his hands on that big ass machine gun. gahh, sunday can't come fast enough
theshelfmaster 09.23.13	except the only thing they have to go on is a call from a payphone where a guy said he's walter white, i doubt they're gonna put that much effort into that lead just yet
SpiritCrusher2 09.23.13	@demi I think he contacts the same guy who sold him his first pistol back in season 3 I think. you can see him in the flash forward scene in the bathroom in the restaurant
theshelfmaster 09.23.13	but he got beard and hair yo he look like mad difffff
DrMaximus 09.23.13	"Walt still thinks Jesse is dead, he's not expecting to encounter him there..." No. When Walt was watching the TV, it said the blue meth is still on the streets, which means Jesse is the one who cooked it.
DrMaximus 09.23.13	Oh, and, die Decaying.
wacknizzle 09.23.13	Ah, I did forget about that. It is true that no one else could do that but Jesse, I'm sure Walt's already putting the scenario together in his head and it's probably pretty accurate
wacknizzle 09.23.13	Exactly, he's gonna be dead by the end of the next episode. He'll nearly make it but he'll miscalculate something that will fuck him in the end
anarchistfish 09.23.13	episode rules so no
anarchistfish 09.23.13	"I did not see that death coming at all and it's really fucked up." Really? Seemed to be pretty obvious. Built up that dread and tension with the really awkward conversation they had just before Todd shot her
Iamthe Nightstars 09.23.13	It was a good episode but I'm not surprised that it didn't really pick up. These last two seasons have been good, but never had me at the edge of my seat like seasons 2 and 3 did.
Gyromania 09.23.13	episode was an absolute masterpiece that sets the stage perfectly for things to come. last week we saw what's arguably the emotional climax of the show (withholding judgment on that until i see the last episode) so it makes sense then that this chronicles the time spent during the fallout of that huge mess. i for one was not disappointed in the slightest
MUNGOLOID 09.23.13	it was just as good as any of the other episodes.
YoYoMancuso 09.23.13	The final scene of the show will be Walt Jr. moving on into his new life, signified by him finally eating lunch.
ILJ 09.23.13	breakfast will never be the same
wacknizzle 09.23.13	Neither will Dennys. Pretty soon they'll have a Walt's special Grand Slam and Pinkman's pork and beans, Gustavo Frozen Chocolate Chip Milkshake Blast etc
YoYoMancuso 09.23.13	what are your guys's favorite eps? I have it narrowed down to three, Crawl Space, Dead Freight, and Grilled.
slep 09.23.13	Schrader Tots
DrMaximus 09.23.13	Are you me, YoYo?
wacknizzle 09.23.13	lol, nice one
YoYoMancuso 09.23.13	no, as I do not hold a doctorate. And before I anger anyone Ozymandias and Face Off are both somewhere in the top ten.
demigod! 09.23.13	my 5 favourites would prob be Cancer Man, 4 Days Out, Crawl Space, Ozymandias (or maybe even Granite State) and Gliding Over All.
anarchistfish 09.23.13	This one was definitely up there. Sets the scene for the finale perfectly. They've actually managed to top my expectations for the final episodes.
Underflow 09.23.13	"Like I respect other peoples opinions and tastes but we clearly weren't watching the same episode. Because that was a masterclass" Agreed. This episode was brilliant.
grish 09.24.13	I just hope everything is resolved and not too rushed in the final 53 (?) minutes. This episode seems like it'd fit well two episodes before the finale, not one episode. But man shit's gonna go cray.
someguest 09.24.13	I don't know but Bryan Cranston didn't win the Emmy. Hooray!
Aids 09.24.13	not gonna read this thread but you're clearly a silly, silly man if you thought last night's episode was "bad." brilliant piece of drama, this show just gets better and better and better and better....
demigod! 09.24.13	"whole cast of Breaking Bad was on Conan tonight and it WAS AMAZING" ugh praying this gets uploaded to youtube
demigod! 09.24.13	oh yay it's already there watching that shit hard
Aids 09.24.13	or you could stick three fingers up your butt /trust me/
someguest 09.24.13	Break the routine and go for four, Aids.
skeames1214 09.24.13	Ozymandias is an impossible act to follow, but I still thought it was great. I damn near cried. Fuck todd and his pirate uncle.
Aids 09.24.13	woah someguest I like the cut of your jib 7789877513 text me maybe ;)
Aids 09.24.13	I hope the last scene of the final episode is Todd getting painfully raped and he's still just got that dumb, shit-eating grin on his face.
someguest 09.24.13	Unless you're an emotionally damaged, alcoholic white woman who has had at least one hundred sexual partners, I probably won't be giving you a shout. However, I do appreciate the effort.
MO 09.24.13	finale should include todd getting killed by jesse most of the nazi dudes getting shot down walt taking the ricin
Aids 09.24.13	there's gonna be some hardcore poetic justice in the final episode: -Jesse definitely lives (possibly has something to do with Walter's death/arrest) and ends up raising his ex's kid (who also lives) -the nazi punks get fist-raped -GreyMatter gets its what-ferrrrrrrrrr -Walter either dies or gets fucked by tha system and the overall message we're all left with is, in a nutshell, "Drugs are bad mkay?" -Marie has the opportuinity to save Skylar from getting convicted as an accomplice but doesn't cause she's a huge bitch and it's kind of her fault that Hank is dead. -Walt Jr. wins prom king, acquires dozens of ho ass bitchezz
MO 09.24.13	not gonna lie that would be so awesome a brutal fight to the death
Aids 09.24.13	actually Walt might kill himself, that's a good call. that would fit really well with the arch/overall message of the show actually. I figured he would use the ricin on the nerd-douche and then finally realize he's a monster and turn himself in/kill self. it makes sense that the last bit of ricin would be for him though.
skeames1214 09.24.13	Somebody's gotta take care of Brock, and I bet it'll be Jesse, and I'll probably cry if they do a touching scene between those two.
skeames1214 09.24.13	EXCUSE ME FOR WANTING SOME CATHARSIS. YOU FUCKER.
titlefightmeirl 09.24.13	can someone link me to that youtube video of the whole cast on conan from tonight?
KILL 09.24.13	episode was so good
MO 09.24.13	it's called google give it a try
titlefightmeirl 09.24.13	I did give it a try, only thing coming up is the intro to the episode
MO 09.24.13	shit then I guess it's not up yet, i hear waiting is a good cure for that
Nocturnal 09.24.13	"actually Walt might kill himself" Heisenberg would never allow it.
titlefightmeirl 09.24.13	well I saw someone else say they found the video, so I was asking. but thanks for the great advice man.
MO 09.24.13	i know right. it's something no one does these days
Deviant. 09.24.13	"having walt kill himself sounds like a hack writing move that these writers wouldn't be cliched enough to pull imo" Sigh... how would it be a hack writing move Andcas?
anarchistfish 09.24.13	" I just hope everything is resolved and not too rushed in the final 53 (?) minutes. This episode seems like it'd fit well two episodes before the finale, not one episode. But man shit's gonna go cray." I believe the last episode is 75 minutes long
Deviant. 09.24.13	Yeah, but that's with ads included in the run time. It'll be about 53 minutes or so, same as the last one
anarchistfish 09.24.13	wow that's a lot of ads
Deviant. 09.24.13	It's jumped from 15 minutes worth of ads to 20. Not exactly the biggest change
DrGonzo1937 09.24.13	Why any doubt? The conclusion will fucking slay.
Minus. 09.24.13	No way Walt kills himself or turns himself in to the police. Not happening. Jesse raising that motherless kid??? Yeah I dont think DFCS is going to allow guardianship to an accomplice to a well known drug ring LOL. Also, do not expect any happy endings.
CamJCollins 09.24.13	Seeing where VG has taken BB from here, I think anyone who i expecting poetic justice and a pleasant ending will be in for a shocking surprise. VG seems to be doing everything in his power to defy the common notion of a television show.
ILJ 09.24.13	i will be seriously pissed if walt kills himself with the ricin. that is like, the last thing i want to happen
DrGonzo1937 09.24.13	The ricin is for that bitch Lydia Rodarte I think. Walt will probably get a few shots in and bleed out after he's done gunning fools. I'm unsure which way Jesse will go though. Either way, anyone expecting a happy ending is gonna be in for a shock.
MeatSalad 09.24.13	breaking bad isn't really known for it's happy endings
RadicalEd 09.24.13	episode was great. Shit is going to go down next sunday.
anarchistfish 09.24.13	"It's jumped from 15 minutes worth of ads to 20. Not exactly the biggest change" Didn't say it's a big change. 15 minute is still a lot. I think I'd find american TV unbearable to watch just cos of the amount of ads, which I'm not used to
MrSirLordGentleman 09.24.13	I'm afraid of a predictable ending: Walt killing Jack and his men and rescuing Jesse, etc, etc A series like this needs some kind of plot twist or a totally unpredictable ending
RadicalEd 09.24.13	That's why I'm watching on stream. 30 sec ad. Done.
Azn. 09.24.13	yeah the ads kinda cheapen the experience imo
ILJ 09.24.13	maybe we will blessed with an ad free finale (yeah right)
DrGonzo1937 09.24.13	What it on Netflix guys...
anarchistfish 09.24.13	I don't think there's a problem with it if it makes logical sense in the context. He's blowing his cover, going back to New Mexico for whatever reason. He'll probably be caught, but he's too proud to let that happen. Suicide sounds like a reasonable assumption. He's gonna die anyway, after all.
anarchistfish 09.24.13	Also how the fuck is suicide cowardly? Fucking hate when people say that.
MrSirLordGentleman 09.24.13	Yeah it would be logical, but kinda boring, don't you think?
Trebor. 09.24.13	http://i.breakingbadcomicmaker.com/34580.JPG
Trebor. 09.24.13	"yeah the ads kinda cheapen the experience imo" they make it better actually cuz you get breaks to process what you've been watching and lower your tension level and shit When I marathon stuff on netflix I always end up forgetting most of it anyway
anarchistfish 09.24.13	"Yeah it would be logical, but kinda boring, don't you think?" Depends how they go about it. With their writing skills they could certainly make a plot like that engaging and emotional.
EyesWideShut 09.24.13	quick question, im not a BB fan but someone told be about this "BB universe" and everything has happened within a year.. is this true?
MrSirLordGentleman 09.24.13	2 years
Trebor. 09.24.13	The first episode is his 50th birthday and the last episode is his 52nd birthday so 2 years
Trebor. 09.24.13	Most of it is within 1 year though as he turns 51 in season 5
Trebor. 09.24.13	I kind of want a noble criminal's death Reservoir Dogs style
Drummerboy123 09.24.13	BB starts on Walts 50th B-day and ends on his 52nd B-day. It shows the transformation of Walter White from Mr Chips to Scarface pretty much.
Aids 09.25.13	"having walt kill himself sounds like a hack writing move" how is that (ehem) "hack writing move"? I'm guessing the overall message when this is all over is that Walt deserves to be punished immeasurably, even if his initial intentions were good. Him killing himself is probably not the most exciting option, but it makes a lot of sense. He's definitely going to die, I'd be shocked if he didn't.
Aids 09.25.13	like he could possibly redeem himself. he can make it right for Skylar and Walt Jr. (ehhhhh except Skylar's Brother-in-law is dead) I suppose, but that ship sailed in like season 3-4. I get your point though, and I could see something like that happening.
klap 09.25.13	walt would have to cure cancer to redeem himself at this point
DrMaximus 09.25.13	"getting killed redeeming himself >" I seriously hope that's not what happens to Walt.
titlefightmeirl 09.25.13	yeah there definitely won't be any happy ending. I can't wait to see Lydias death.
titlefightmeirl 09.25.13	I feel so bad for Jesse. He has literally nothing left to lose, and the way Walt told him "I watched Jane die" was crushing. that right there on top of everything else tells me Jesse will one way or another end up killing Walt.
DrGonzo1937 09.25.13	One theory I'm not ruling out. But this show is far too unpredictable to have a solid guess.
bakkermaarten007 09.25.13	"I feel so bad for Jesse. He has literally nothing left to lose" Actually. Literally he has still that kid Brock to lose. =) Also, this episode was better than the two previous ones. Less action, but more human drama and I like that better.
bakkermaarten007 09.25.13	"yeah there definitely won't be any happy ending. I can't wait to see Lydias death." I know she's basically a shallow materialistic bitch but boy do i find her attractive.
Azn. 09.25.13	this show's so depressing...BUT SO GOOD
DrGonzo1937 09.25.13	depressingly good
SgtPepper 09.26.13	Hey. I have a question about the show, and I was wondering if anyone here knows the answer: What is the deal with Walter adopting certain characteristics from the people he has killed? Does he do that for the same reason Dexter keeps blood slots (i.e. serving as a reminder of those he has conquered in the past)? or is he, in a subconscious level, traumatized by those past killings and this is the way those (perhaps repressed) feelings manifest themselves? Has Vince Gilligan ever addressed this?
YoYoMancuso 09.26.13	Gilligan has a new cop drama coming out on CBS.
YoYoMancuso 09.26.13	and yeah that Walt/Gus parallel in Salud and Blood Money was so cool
Deviant. 09.26.13	http://previously.tv/breaking-bad/breaking-bads-upcoming-felina-finale-explained/ Kinda lol, but interesting reading nonetheless "What is the deal with Walter adopting certain characteristics from the people he has killed? Does he do that for the same reason Dexter keeps blood slots (i.e. serving as a reminder of those he has conquered in the past)? or is he, in a subconscious level, traumatized by those past killings and this is the way those (perhaps repressed) feelings manifest themselves? " http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/breaking-bad-easter-eggs-that-will-blow-your-mind
Deviant. 09.26.13	Again that one is kind of done for laughs as well (the infinity symbol one is mucho tenuous) but still interesting
demigod! 09.26.13	is there any word on whos gonna be writing / showrunning the Better Call Saul spin off? I'm really looking forward to it albeit slightly apprehensive.
NordicMindset 09.26.13	oh great now he's breakingbreakingbad
Deviant. 09.26.13	"is there any word on whos gonna be writing / showrunning the Better Call Saul spin off? I'm really looking forward to it albeit slightly apprehensive." I don't know how big of a part Gilligan will play beyond creating it, but the word is that it will all be handled in house by the same producers as BB
DrGonzo1937 09.26.13	The timing on this show getting huge was perfect. Too late for greedy studio's to get in and drag out BB, so it ends up like Dexter. Looks like they'll have to come out with a lame spin-off. It might be ok, but I won't hold my breath.
skeames1214 09.26.13	I think Bob Obenkirk's got enough charisma to carry a show if the writing is good and it isn't entirely goofy.
DrGonzo1937 09.26.13	Maybe so, but the only reason it's being made is because the reception to BB didn't properly propell itself into orbit till this season. Meaning there is nothing they can do to tamper with this work of art and they have to settle with a cash in spin-off. lol
skeames1214 09.26.13	Yeah, and if that's the case, then so be it. I'm glad the main series was unaffected.
DrGonzo1937 09.26.13	I gathered it'd be a comedy, given the nature of the character. Doesn't mean to say it'll be any good though. Plus comparing BB to the spin-off would be stupid.
demigod! 09.26.13	i could see it being more of a comedy-drama rather than like a sitcom or something.
joshieboy 09.26.13	The Fly episode. Seemed irrelevant.
SgtPepper 09.26.13	"http://previously.tv/breaking-bad/breaking-bads-upcoming-felina-finale-explained/" - I read this, it was pretty good. Someone in the comments section mentioned Marie possibly killing Walt with a purple handgun. I laughed more than I should have at that. Though the author's point on Marie being the one whose gotten the worst from Walt's decisions raises a good point. She might play a bigger part in his downfall than I initially assumed. plus apparently purple is the colour of purpose. Had no idea. I also saw the other link. Someone on facebook posted it a while ago, but I looked at it more carefully this time. I'm still not sure though. The 'Gus-towel' one makes a good case that it's the writers that are adding this to his character. but I still feel Walt is 'consciously' doing this. I don't know. I brought it up because I was talking to some friends about that and was curious to what others thought. also I love picking apart this show. "I gathered it'd be a comedy, given the nature of the character. Doesn't mean to say it'll be any good though." I hope Better Caul Saul becomes a sitcom with a laugh track. I saw that Breaking Bad sitcom video on youtube, I kind of hope they do this.
SgtPepper 09.26.13	"The Fly episode. Seemed irrelevant." - then you perhaps didn't get the underlying purpose of it.
someguest 09.26.13	I like the episode of Breaking Bad where Walter White is bald.
Underflow 09.26.13	"this show went beyond the wire" whoa, let's not get hasty. Show is definitely 10/10 but The Wire's 11/10 best of all time.
Apollo 09.26.13	Breaking Bad is slightly better than the Wire. It's easily the best television show I've ever seen.
Buzzkillr 09.26.13	^no way, not even close anyway, I rewatched granite state and the scene where walter tries to put the needle in his arm for the chemo but can't seems pretty significant. probably another of vince's famed uses of chekhov's gun
Ricochet 09.26.13	The only slightly boring episode was the one were they chased the fly in the lab.. It wasnt bad but a little pointless almost like a filler on an album.
Buzzkillr 09.26.13	maybe it's showing that he'll try to kill himself but won't be able to, sorta like in the first scene of the first episode
RadicalEd 09.26.13	"The only slightly boring episode was the one were they chased the fly in the lab.. It wasnt bad but a little pointless almost like a filler on an album." Yup
Buzzkillr 09.26.13	the card game too. walt not wanting to cut the cards and the old guy having two kings.
Buzzkillr 09.26.13	his ring falling off and putting it around his neck, closer to his heart. might be a way to show how important his family is for him. right afterwards he tries sending them money...
Deviant. 09.26.13	He put it around his neck so he could keep it near him off, there's no inherent symbolism there that we didn't already know about "right afterwards he tries sending them money... " lol "The only slightly boring episode was the one were they chased the fly in the lab.. It wasnt bad but a little pointless almost like a filler on an album." Great episode, and far from pointless
ti0n 09.26.13	amazing episode. more of a chilling one but very powerfull. seeing walt break at this cabin and loosing all of his pride he ones owns was just one of the best moments in breaking bad history. very sad and uplifiting
DrGonzo1937 09.26.13	Shit, you guys are crazy. No way is the Wire better than this.
ti0n 09.26.13	the last season of the wire was a letdown. this breaking bad season is the best yet. sooo -> BB > TW
DrGonzo1937 09.26.13	There hasn't been a letdown season on this show. Only gets better.
DrMaximus 09.26.13	"The only slightly boring episode was the one were they chased the fly in the lab.. It wasnt bad but a little pointless almost like a filler on an album." It's because they went over budget.
klap 09.26.13	i never understood walt taking the towel thing from Gus. i understand why the writers would put it in to draw parallels, but it's not like walt is doing that consciously or subconsciously - how would he know gus ever did that?
Buzzkillr 09.26.13	maybe it's just a coincidence
DrMaximus 09.26.13	Of course it's a coincidence, it's not like he was there.
Buzzkillr 09.26.13	if walt jr had a spin-off based on him, would it be breaking bread, or breaking fast? I'll think I'll go with: Breaking Fast: The Flynn White Story
DrMaximus 09.26.13	No, it would be called: "Walking Bad"
wacknizzle 09.26.13	lmao
Ire 09.26.13	who gives a shit
MO 09.26.13	watching this marathon is so fucking awesome good to see some of these old episodes again
Buzzkillr 09.26.13	once this ends, I'm gonna rewatch the entire show. just wondering how many hours it is, around 50-60 hours?
climactic 09.26.13	60ish epsiodes so like 45ish hours
skeames1214 09.26.13	i just want to know who is heisenburb???
SgtPepper 09.26.13	@klap The towel thing was definitely added by the writers to parallel the two, but i like to think that the other times he's adopted a person's trait were done by his own choosing. If the writers are just adding this for their own purposes, i feel like it is robbing walt of a very unique trait that makes his character all the more interesting. Also, and this will probably sound dumb, i am starting to think these actions might be walt's way of mourning/remembering the dead. When i saw the one with him forming the "52" with bacon, like skylar once did for him, it made me think that that she is in fact, in a way, dead to him. Their relationship is done, his family doesnt want him and it is all of his own doing. It's a stretch to think that he takes on the traits of others for that same reason (mourning/remembering) because he obviously didnt love them like his family, but i dont know, i think it would be cool if he is actually haunted by his decisions on some level. That there is some of walt's innocence still lingering inside heisenberg.
Funeralopolis 09.26.13	@sgtpepper: I've seen this theory floating around the internet and yea it is probably true.
skeames1214 09.26.13	guys what if - bear with me for a second - somehow the show breaking bad and malcolm in the middle are connected?! at the end of the finale walt gets caught and maybe they say ' okay you can get the chair - or - we can put yo in the relocation program and you'll get a new family like you've always wanted' Surely i cannot be the only one who thinks this would be a good/excellent way to bridge the two greatest tv shows of all time fun fact: i heard somewhere that the guy who plays walt also plays malcolms dad - making the connection even more obvious/logical
MO 09.26.13	^^ no not at all
skeames1214 09.26.13	thanks i'm glad i have a supporter
Deviant. 09.27.13	"fun fact: i heard somewhere that the guy who plays walt also plays malcolms dad - making the connection even more obvious/logical" You heard "somewhere"?? Are you like, 12 or something?
Apollo 09.27.13	three more days......
DrGonzo1937 09.27.13	Watch you don't get hit by a bus or something.
skeames1214 09.27.13	no, just a bad troll, sorry :(
thespaceforthis 09.27.13	Breaking bad doesnt really have any bad episodes...maybe the one with the fly, but I enjoyed it.
skeames1214 09.27.13	I loved that episode. That was Cranston and Paul at their finest, as far as I'm concerned.
lucasjcockcroft 09.27.13	https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=403127269814804&set=pb.343847375742794.-2207520000.1380262808.&type=3&theater
joshieboy 09.27.13	I just watched the 2nd last ep of Season 3. And omg the ending.
skeames1214 09.27.13	lol
skeames1214 09.27.13	that lol was directed @lucas @joshieboy Dude watch the last episode. It literally left me shaking.
joshieboy 09.27.13	I am so late to the sucking of Breaking Bad's virtual dick. But that last ep l watched S3 E12 was the most riveting television I've ever watched.
skeames1214 09.27.13	I feel ya, and it only gets better. I got into it when season 3 was on tv and let me tell you, you're doing it right by just getting into it now. Waiting a year between seasons (and sometimes between half seasons. bleh) sucked. You can just power right through it.
skeames1214 09.27.13	I will say I think the three episode stretch you're on right now (s3 eps 12 and 13, s4 ep 1) is the best in the whole series.
joshieboy 09.27.13	I was thinking yeah Jesse will shoot these 2 buffoons 1st to stick it up Gus and 2nd to avenge his friend and then run. I was so not expecting Walt, then for him to shoot the dude in the head and then say RUN. Episode ends and I was literally in shock for like 20 minutes after. No TV Show has ever done this to me.
climactic 09.27.13	the ricin is for walt. no way around it
skeames1214 09.27.13	@joshieboy Yeah, that was an awesome ending, but I'm tellin ya, the next episode's is even better. now that I think about it, get the hell out of this thread. You don't want spoilers. :((
adarkishman 09.27.13	its not hard to work out how its going to end, but this is my real sketchy one walt + risin = gretchen and elliott dead either that or hell just m60 them along with the nazis pinkman will shoot walt in the head and end
adarkishman 09.27.13	this is my more legit one now has anyone noticed how you have never seen heisenberg and walt. jr in the same scene? I have, and i've done my research and if you pause the frame at a certain point in season 3 you can see that there is a copy of fight club in his room. This got me thinking and i came to the realization that walt. jr is heisenberg, and is in fact, not retarded. Remember the vegie bacon at the beginning of season 1 that the family consumed? and how Walt. Jr is always obsessing over breakfast? It's because each day he poisons Walt, and walt thinks it's cancer. The poison is making Walt see shit, and most of the tv show is told from walt's perspective, so he doesn't raise an eyebrow when everyone comes after him because flynn convinced him that he was heisenberg, when in fact all he did was cook, flynn durden did everything else. Now, this will end with walt approaching skylar and they both realise that flynn is actually heisenberg. Flynn's limp will even out into a normal walk (like at the end of the usual suspects) and he will rip Hollys limbs apart with his bare hands, before picking up a gun and shooting Walt. oh and he's high on meth at this point
climactic 09.27.13	people keep talking about gretchen and elliot but im pretty sure they wont have anything to do with the finale. i think they were just his motivation to go back and get vengeance instead of laying down and dying so to speak my prediction= goes back and m60s the nazis, saves jesse, turns himself in/gets caught, ricins himself
thespaceforthis 09.27.13	LOL nice m night shamalayan ending there.
adarkishman 09.27.13	'my prediction= goes back and m60s the nazis, saves jesse, turns himself in/gets caught, ricins himself' couldnt be closer from the real ending firstly). no mention of walt. jr being the evil genius secondly). if walt does save pinkman, pinkman will kill walt for sure thirdly). flynn will kill walt so there goes any chance of option 2
klap 09.27.13	yeah, i'm sure walt, the subject of a nationwide manhunt, is going to be show up at the schwartz's and get them to take the ricin
climactic 09.27.13	^ yeah, people are really over-thinking the grey matter interview walt watches in the bar. its not like all of a sudden after watching a 1 minute interview walt is gonna be like OMG NOW I NEED TO KILL THEM TOO. they're irrelevant at this point...and obviously any rational person who owns a billion-dollar company is gonna want to disassociate themselves from a murdering drug lord as much as possible. it was simply a realization for walt that he fucked up everything with no hope yet again. (obviously my view but yea)
adarkishman 09.27.13	well if he's going to go back to find his family (assumably there will be a point of meeting in this finale) i don't see why he can't make a special delivery this is of course unlikely as walt. jr will be the perpetrator
adarkishman 09.27.13	nah it got heisenberg mad (who that is is still up for debate) and when heisenberg is made heisenberg is mad
joshieboy 09.27.13	So I just finished Season 3....... Jesus, and people say this show gets better? I don't think I can handle it.
adarkishman 09.27.13	hey joshieboy, skylar kills hank
TMobotron 09.27.13	BB is better than the wire at this point without a doubt. The Wire is amazing, and probably a close 2nd as far as being objectively the best, but that whole circle-jerk of people claiming it's some infallible piece of art is so stupid and obnoxious.
Gyromania 09.27.13	still haven't seen the wire
TMobotron 09.27.13	It's definitely a must-see show. I'm in the sad state right now of having seen most highly acclaimed shows and struggling for something to occupy my free time.
lucasjcockcroft 09.27.13	are people really questioning who Heisenberg is? this isn't Lost Walt won't die and Jesse will, probably killed by Uncle Jack
Crymsonblaze 09.27.13	"that whole circle-jerk of people claiming it's some infallible piece of art is so stupid and obnoxious." Much like this thread.
Deviant. 09.27.13	"now has anyone noticed how you have never seen heisenberg and walt. jr in the same scene? I have, and i've done my research and if you pause the frame at a certain point in season 3 you can see that there is a copy of fight club in his room. This got me thinking and i came to the realization that walt. jr is heisenberg, and is in fact, not retarded. Remember the vegie bacon at the beginning of season 1 that the family consumed? and how Walt. Jr is always obsessing over breakfast? It's because each day he poisons Walt, and walt thinks it's cancer. The poison is making Walt see shit, and most of the tv show is told from walt's perspective, so he doesn't raise an eyebrow when everyone comes after him because flynn convinced him that he was heisenberg, when in fact all he did was cook, flynn durden did everything else. Now, this will end with walt approaching skylar and they both realise that flynn is actually heisenberg. Flynn's limp will even out into a normal walk (like at the end of the usual suspects) and he will rip Hollys limbs apart with his bare hands, before picking up a gun and shooting Walt. oh and he's high on meth at this point " No Just no
adarkishman 09.27.13	yeah dev how does it feel to have your eyes opened
adarkishman 09.27.13	can you look at anything flynn does in the same way ever again
adarkishman 09.27.13	http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GcQHuL8gejA/Uf0DP5AOzjI/AAAAAAAADSg/PbF3Xq4SsB0/s1600/hankrealizeswaltheisenberg.jpg if you look very closely at this still footage of the show, you will see text hovering underneath hank which represents what he is thinking - 'it was walt .jnr' the proof is mounting, i cant wait to see all your silly faces on monday in awe of my accurate prediction
bakkermaarten007 09.27.13	"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GcQHuL8gejA/Uf0DP5AOzjI/AAAAAAAADSg/PbF3Xq4SsB0/s1600/hankrealizeswaltheisenberg.jpg if you look very closely at this still footage of the show, you will see text hovering underneath hank which represents what he is thinking - 'it was walt .jnr' the proof is mounting, i cant wait to see all your silly faces on monday in awe of my accurate prediction" Haha lol
bakkermaarten007 09.27.13	Whatever the ending will be like, I bet it is- like we're used to from BB- going to be shocking and turn out unpredictable.
Buzzkillr 09.27.13	"now has anyone noticed how you have never seen heisenberg and walt. jr in the same scene? I have, and i've done my research and if you pause the frame at a certain point in season 3 you can see that there is a copy of fight club in his room. This got me thinking and i came to the realization that walt. jr is heisenberg, and is in fact, not retarded. Remember the vegie bacon at the beginning of season 1 that the family consumed? and how Walt. Jr is always obsessing over breakfast? It's because each day he poisons Walt, and walt thinks it's cancer. The poison is making Walt see shit, and most of the tv show is told from walt's perspective, so he doesn't raise an eyebrow when everyone comes after him because flynn convinced him that he was heisenberg, when in fact all he did was cook, flynn durden did everything else. Now, this will end with walt approaching skylar and they both realise that flynn is actually heisenberg. Flynn's limp will even out into a normal walk (like at the end of the usual suspects) and he will rip Hollys limbs apart with his bare hands, before picking up a gun and shooting Walt. oh and he's high on meth at this point " lol
Buzzkillr 09.27.13	"So I just finished Season 3....... Jesus, and people say this show gets better? I don't think I can handle it." first half of season 4 takes a dip, and so do the first few episodes of season 5 part 2, but other than that it's quite consistent yeah
Thane 09.27.13	the best explanation i've seen for the name 'felina' is that it's Fe-Li-Na = Iron-Lithium-Sodium = Blood-Meth-Tears anyways i can't wait
Buzzkillr 09.27.13	that just means it's gonna be bloody, sad, and about meth. to say that it's obvious is an understatement. a double or triple entendre isn't out of the question, so it's probably true, but there's something more significant behind it, I'm sure.
ILJ 09.27.13	"BB is better than the wire at this point without a doubt. The Wire is amazing, and probably a close 2nd as far as being objectively the best, but that whole circle-jerk of people claiming it's some infallible piece of art is so stupid and obnoxious." I still wouldn't say it's better than The Wire but I think it's definitely second
ILJ 09.27.13	but seriously so hyped for Sunday.
Destructerator 09.27.13	I feel bad for the people who getting disappointed. My hype meter is at critical levels.
Buzzkillr 09.27.13	Nah, band of brothers is second.
skeames1214 09.27.13	I used to be a big Lost guy, but man is this show infinitely less frustrating/just generally better. Lost is still probably my #2, and I love how ambitious it was, but Breaking Bad is ahead of it by a mile.
skeames1214 09.27.13	Band of Brothers is fantastic too.
TMobotron 09.28.13	"first half of season 4 takes a dip" Disagree hard. Season 4 is perfect.
Progger6009 09.28.13	I wanna know what happens to Ted.
TMobotron 09.28.13	Yeah the Salamanca twins were a mistake
DrMaximus 09.28.13	So, the twins were a mistake because they didn't talk much? Exellent reasoning.
TMobotron 09.28.13	No one said that.
DrMaximus 09.28.13	Then why were they a mistake?
Deviant. 09.28.13	"the best explanation i've seen for the name 'felina' is that it's Fe-Li-Na = Iron-Lithium-Sodium = Blood-Meth-Tears" "that just means it's gonna be bloody, sad, and about meth." You could argue that that's what the whole show has been about, the title could simply be working as a fitting summary to the story as a whole
Cormano 09.28.13	"the only faults the show has ever had story wise was the two cartel hitman who for some reason never talked which was silly" there are actually hitman like that in mexico not the ones that usually make the news though
demigod! 09.28.13	only mistake for this show imo is the first half of season 3... it can be really dull. season 4 is perfect [2]
adarkishman 09.28.13	the best part of the show was when walt and jesse were friends and getting up to crazy light-hearted shennanigans in the rv and jesse used to say bitch a lot bitch
demigod! 09.28.13	yea i love the first half of the series, 4 days out is one of my top episodes for those reasons
TMobotron 09.28.13	They're a mistake because the whole "silent killer" thing is a cliche, and the fact that they don't talk literally makes adding depth to their characters impossible. Compare them to a villain like Gus who's actually really interesting. Wouldn't be so bad except as 1-dimensional characters they hang around for far too long. How many times is watching them exchange sinister looks interesting?
Crymsonblaze 09.28.13	those two terminator hitmen were so stupid actually none of the villains are very good. the old one that pissed himself? the psycho one from the first season? gus? the protagonist is the best villain of the whole show
demigod! 09.28.13	i thought their actions were necessary to the plot, but they got wayyy too much screen time. the writers focused way too much on making them look badass, and that got tired pretty quickly. maybe adding a bit of backstory or motivation would have made them more endearing, but alas they are just generic assassins.
TMobotron 09.28.13	Gus is a fucking incredible villain, and tuco was great too wtf?
MUNGOLOID 09.28.13	they did show some of their back story in that flashback scene with Hector and vengeance for their cousin seemed like a good enough motivation since they went through all that trouble just to try to kill Walt.
Gyromania 09.28.13	my two favourites tbh
thespaceforthis 09.28.13	Gus was fucking awesome, had a good backstory and without that character...well breaking bad wouldnt be what it is.
Crymsonblaze 09.28.13	i mean the actor that played gus was pretty good but there's really nothing interesting about him as a character. he had two modes: calm and quietly psychotic. tuco only had one.
MUNGOLOID 09.28.13	and besides, without all those villains, Walt probably would have never turned into Heisenberg.
Gyromania 09.28.13	gus was a man with a plan, and he is definitely my favourite. tuco is a close second, he's just so eccentric and sporadic - you never know what he's going to do next. plus both roles were acted phenomenally well.
thespaceforthis 09.28.13	and the salamanca twins were necessary to tell the gus story. plus DAT showdown with hank
Crymsonblaze 09.28.13	"plus DAT showdown with hank" agreed with that. one of the show's best scenes probably
MUNGOLOID 09.28.13	yup, that shit was intense.
JokineAugustus 09.28.13	Does nobody like Mike?????????
MUNGOLOID 09.28.13	he's my favorite character.
JokineAugustus 09.28.13	The actor who plays him is so intimidating in interviews.
Gyromania 09.28.13	mike's a great character. for me it goes (consistent characters, not including villains) jesse (i would argue he's had the lion's share of their brilliant ideas) hank walt saul mike skyler marie
Crymsonblaze 09.28.13	yeah jesse and hank are definitely the best characters
JokineAugustus 09.28.13	Walt JR????
MeatSalad 09.28.13	There's no way this final 50 minute episode is going to satisfy me, i'm going to cry!!!
Gyromania 09.28.13	oh right, walt jr is before marie. his character isn't all that interesting, but god fucking damn that kid can act
JokineAugustus 09.28.13	Jesse Mike Walt Saul Hank Skylar Walt Jr Marie
Gyromania 09.28.13	hank is too low! he becomes such a great character. perfect character development as far as i'm concerned
MeatSalad 09.28.13	hank below saul lol
TMobotron 09.28.13	Saul is an amazing character though, and necessary for comic relief once Jesse's storyline got too dark.
Gyromania 09.28.13	agreed, saul provides some much needed comedy in an otherwise dark, nihilistic show
Crymsonblaze 09.28.13	plus bob odenkirk is a boss
Crymsonblaze 09.28.13	so is aaron paul catching up on season 5 now god he's so freaking good
Scoot 09.28.13	final episode should be two hours, i think they fucked that up should be an amazing finish either way
Trebor. 09.28.13	should be a movie yeah
Gyromania 09.28.13	yah i hate that they advertise it as 75 minutes because that's horribly misleading. after commercials you're like with like 54 minutes. i'm sure the finale will be excellent but i definitely wish it were 2+ hours
Deviant. 09.28.13	http://www.yelp.com/biz/los-pollos-hermanos-albuquerque
Trebor. 09.28.13	damn
lucasjcockcroft 09.28.13	Aaron Paul could play a good Robin (batman) he's actually a really good actor Marie was okay till the 5th season, her hatred for Walt is pretty unjustified, without him Hank wouldn't be able to walk, so her being angry is really stupid Skyler was terrible in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th season the guy who plays Walt Jr actually has that disease
Scoot 09.28.13	aaron paul is never going to escape the jesse character, he's like the next mclovin wherever he goes he'll be thought of as jesse pinkman, whereas cranston has malcolm in the middle/seinfeld etc. he's already done gilligan's next show will have a lot to live up to
Ire 09.28.13	damn to think this all (probably)could have been avoided had jesse not got into meth stick 2 weed n booze, kids.
Scoot 09.28.13	watching the pilot now, it's amazing how far walt has come from cleaning that punk kid's corvette on his knees to waging war on a group of aryans with an m60 for $69 million
wacknizzle 09.28.13	A bit late for this, but has anyone noticed that Hector(wheelchair bomb guy/paralyzed guy Gus tortured the shit out of) is the same guy who was the hit man in Scarface, the man who tried to plant that bomb on that whistle-blower in New York who ratted out all the major coke dealers. Just the fun Breaking Bad fact of the day
Ire 09.28.13	hey guys anyone notice how his name is walter WHITE and deals with a nazi gang
chemicalmarriage 09.28.13	dont do meth kids
Scoot 09.28.13	man that scene where he stomps that kid's leg in the clothing store is pure alpha hope he wins in the end, everyone else sucks now. jesse's a bitch
Ire 09.28.13	well damn how would you act if your hot ass girlfriend died and you became a cooking bitch?
chemicalmarriage 09.28.13	hope jesse kills walt cuz walt is a royal controlfreak cocksucker
Scoot 09.28.13	i wouldn't have been an asschode and went back when i easily could have gone anywhere in the world and forgotten about everything
Ire 09.28.13	drug addiction is a terrible affliction in america these days
Scoot 09.28.13	hope we can find an end for this terrible disease
Ire 09.28.13	i am clearly not wasted enough
Scoot 09.28.13	haha ninja edit
chemicalmarriage 09.28.13	running away is for pussfarts thats why jesse and walt jr. will fight to the death
Progger6009 09.28.13	Mike is my favorite, and yeah Jesse does become one of the smartest on the show by season 5. I just watched the end of season 4, and even though Walt was very convincing that Gus poisoned Brock, Jesse still knew everything that happened, Walt is just a master manipulater.
Underflow 09.28.13	"The ending of Breaking Bad is very unapologetic and exciting. It's a rollercoaster ride." -Bryan Cranston "The ending is perfect." -Bryan Cranston "I couldn’t be happier with the way it ended." - Aaron Paul "I think Vince hit it out of the park on the finale. I think Vince redefined series finales." - Michael Slovis "...the ending was pretty cool." -Laura Fraiser's husband "It was awesome!" -Kelly Dixon to Rian Johnson in the podcast for 514
klap 09.28.13	"Marie was okay till the 5th season, her hatred for Walt is pretty unjustified, without him Hank wouldn't be able to walk, so her being angry is really stupid Skyler was terrible" lol wut
Underflow 09.28.13	Lol didn't notice that. Bizarre.
climactic 09.28.13	holy fuck its tomorrow
Gyromania 09.29.13	marie is most insufferable in earlier seasons
Ire 09.29.13	yeah she becomes awesome later
Gyromania 09.29.13	lol no
Ire 09.29.13	she stole a spoon from rosie o'donnel tho
Yuli 09.29.13	Marie has always been pretty insufferable, but now she has a pretty great reason to be
MrSirLordGentleman 09.29.13	Still the hottest woman on the show
Scoot 09.29.13	marie looks like a dog in the pilot
Deviant. 09.29.13	"Still the hottest woman on the show" But that Lydia tho...
MrSirLordGentleman 09.29.13	meh, her eyes make her look like some kind of crazy Pug puppy
acorncheese 09.29.13	i thought granite state was possibly the best episode in the series. obviously it wasn't the craziest or anything, but it was just so well made.
Deviant. 09.29.13	"they were totally out of place in the type of show breaking bad is character wise and also who the fuck remains silent when shot, losing their leg, falling out of a hospital bed, and his chasing someone by crawling?" People who have taken a vow of silence
Deviant. 09.29.13	Just because they don't show you doesn't mean that that might not be the case. I mean I know you need everything spelt out for you, but most of us can effectively put 1 and 1 together and generally come up with 2
MrSirLordGentleman 09.29.13	Deviant.'s angry yo
Deviant. 09.29.13	No, not at all
acorncheese 09.29.13	so who thinks walt is going to: A. save jesse B. finish off jesse it'd be nuts if he was actually going back to finish off jesse himself (and obviously kill the nazis)
Scoot 09.29.13	he's not going back to save jesse, i can tell you that i think he'll kill all the nazis and then jesse will shoot him out of nowhere
acorncheese 09.29.13	yeah i also think jesse will kill him. but i think walt's gonna beg jesse to do it.
Deviant. 09.29.13	"sounds more like you're reaching for things that aren't there" No, I'm just offering suggestions. And like I said, just because you don't get an explicit reference or a scene that details it doesn't mean that they "aren't there"
DrMaximus 09.29.13	"they were totally out of place in the type of show breaking bad is character wise and also who the fuck remains silent when shot, losing their leg, falling out of a hospital bed, and his chasing someone by crawling?" Not every character in the show needs intricate character development. The cousins are just two badass hit-men. They didn't need to talk. Their actions speak louder than words.
Gyromania 09.29.13	what's wrong with it being up to the viewer's interpretation? there's a lot of subtext in this show
DrMaximus 09.29.13	The fact that the cousins were so quiet made them more intimidating and ruthless.
Gyromania 09.29.13	yeah, i thought it made them seem mysterious and unconscionable, definitely not a bad thing. w/e, i don't think people are realizing that if every character was perfectly detailed it would draw attention away from its main premise: that is, slowly developing walt's character up until his death. jesse, hank, walt - they're the main characters for a reason.
Deviant. 09.29.13	"if you want to make up excuses for why the characters had no character that's your prerogative." No one is making up excuses, you just want everything spoon-fed to you. Use your imagination, some things don't need to be explained
DrMaximus 09.29.13	Read between the lines, andcas. Not everything happens on-camera.
wacknizzle 09.29.13	That time when Gus marched right out into the open with bullets flying at him when that cartel sniper was shooting up the warehouse and when he walked out and fixed his tie after being blown up I literally thought he was a fucking robot both times. He almost never showed any feelings or emotions during his tenure, just completely stone cold. I was finally relieved when I saw the side of his face was blown off and he finally went down
Deviant. 09.29.13	Like, look at certain horror/"monster" movies. When the writers try and explain why the crazy serial killer is the way he is, or why the giant monster even exists in the first place is, more times than not, where everything starts to go downhill. Not knowing makes it cooler/scarier, because you can form your own interpretations. If you don't like that kind of thing then that's fine, but it's a very deliberate thing, and certainly not the result of characters being neglected. There's no excuses because none are needed - people who think like that are just narrow-minded
JokineAugustus 09.29.13	The Starks will pay!
wacknizzle 09.29.13	I think what made the cousins so great is that they were so stone cold and emotionless, they were downright scary, sort of like the writers were going for a Micheal Meyers type of effect on the viewer
wacknizzle 09.29.13	In the Rob Zombie version? I've only seen the 2nd one and I hardly remember it. But the original first two are perfect, scariest horror movies ever imo
JokineAugustus 09.29.13	Nightmare on elm street original > Halloween original.
wacknizzle 09.29.13	You might prefer it but I don't think Freddy is as scary, besides he's got alot humor to his terror. Meyers is hell incarnate
Ire 09.29.13	treb mentioned this earlier. they try really hard to make laura fraser less attractive.
JokineAugustus 09.29.13	His humor also adds to the creepiness of his character. Myers is still a close second though.
DrMaximus 09.29.13	Freddy rules.
Crymsonblaze 09.29.13	"Nightmare on elm street original > Halloween original" god yes. halloween is a good movie, but noes is on another level plus noes is the only horror franchise with more good sequels than bad but on the topic of the twins: it's true that not every character has to be well-developed. and in most other shows, they wouldn't have seemed so out of place. but in a show like bb (which i respect quite a bit, even though i'm not a huge fan and have made jabs at it a lot) where everything seems so calculated, well-crafted and most importantly, grounded in reality, having these two 'killing machines' seems completely and utterly amateurish. breaking bad works because it's very bleak, personal, and most of the characters have strong motivations. (i think that's a big part of why i'm not a big fan of it as well, and this seems to be a problem with cable shows as they tend to be rooted in more of a morally grey area simply because they aren't bound by censorship as much as network tv. i like to be able to root for my heroes; of course they need to have problems and errors in judgment and all that, but when i see someone as broken, misguided, and corrupted as walt, i am almost too disgusted with him to really enjoy the show if that makes any sense. i dunno, just my personal taste. but i digress.) point is, you can understand why someone does what they do, even if you don't agree with it. that's a sign of good writing. the characters have reactions, struggles, etc. however, the hitmen brothers have none of that. they are obstacles and nothing more, which is inexcusable when they are the main villains for that half of the season (maybe more, i don't quite remember).
toxin. 09.29.13	episode rules and the show has never been completely believable, from gus & co taking out an entire cartel, to gus walking with half his face blown off. but yea the twins were sorta cartoonish, it's why imo season 3 isn't up to 4 and 5's standards (tho 3 is when i really got into it)
Crymsonblaze 09.29.13	"to gus walking with half his face blown off" that's another really dumb and out of place moment
toxin. 09.29.13	i don't think it was out of place at all, it really plays into gus's mythology. i also think ridiculous things have been done before the human body realizes it's dead (not humans but cut off a chicken's head and it'll run around for a few minutes). if you want gritty realism, go watch the wire. even the premise of breaking bad is inherently implausible to begin with
Crymsonblaze 09.29.13	yeah i feel ya cas i dunno, i think another problem i have with the face off scene is the execution. it looks so cgi'd and... well, bad. not saying i want gritty realism, i actually don't like it at all. i just think that anything else feels out of place in a show like this
toxin. 09.29.13	yea i can see where you're coming from w/the cgi, but overall i did like the scene
toxin. 09.29.13	lol at breaking bad being gritty realism
Ire 09.29.13	i mean for the first two seasons it totally is but idk
TMobotron 09.29.13	Breaking Bad has always been willing to choose style over realism when it's effective, which isn't a flaw. For me, the motivation or realism of the twins isn't a part of the issue. I just think the characters are too shallow and uninteresting (which is almost unavoidable due to their silent nature) to have that much screen-time. I get that some people find their silence to be intimidating/ruthless/whatever. Even in that case, it's not enough for them to remain interesting for as long as they're in the show.
Underflow 09.29.13	They're in the show for about five episodes with one or two scenes per episode. Doesn't seem like a big issue. Personally, they never bothered me.
TMobotron 09.29.13	5 episodes for at least one of them, but yeah - that's a solid chunk of the show (season 1 is only 7 episodes) and it's too much. They're also pivotal for some of the plot points, which puts more weight on their characters. But most imporantly, they're 1-dimensional characters, which means they have no place being in the show for more than 1 or 2 episodes. Still seems like most of the arguments against this point is just coming from loyalty to the show. Look guys, I love this show. It's my favorite TV show of all time, so I'm not saying this is detrimental or anything - in fact my initial point was that this was one of the very few weaknesses in the show. And really I only meant to bring it up for discussion, there's no point in getting riled up over it. I'm willing to entertain alternatives, or even a differing opinion without backing up the claim, but just saying "lol" or pretending like the ideas is insane is stupid.
Underflow 09.29.13	I can't defend it, I just don't think it's a big deal. On my first watch of the series I thought the plane crash was the worst offender, but on re-watches I came to accept it and even like it as symbolism and a plot device (even if it ultimately didn't leave the payoff I expected).
ILJ 09.29.13	holy shit it's tonight omg omg omg
DrMaximus 09.29.13	Vince likes to include a lot of symbolism in the show; Gus walking out adjusting his tie with half his face blown off is a prime example of this. Can't you people realize this?
klap 09.29.13	what do you mean "you people"
anarchistfish 09.29.13	"even the premise of breaking bad is inherently implausible to begin with" man becomes drug producer?
Progger6009 09.29.13	"man becomes drug producer?" A mundane Chemistry teacher becomes a world renown drug manufacturer. I kinda implausible in reality dont ya think?
Millstone 09.29.13	WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU PEOPLE
Progger6009 09.29.13	500
Drummerboy123 09.29.13	""even the premise of breaking bad is inherently implausible to begin with" man becomes drug producer?" I think he's implying that when Gretchen and Elliot offered Walt money for his treatment and a job at Grey Matter, he refused it because of his hubris. Most people would have taken the money. I would anyways, not fussed about pride, what good is it when you're dead.
breakingthefragile 10.01.13	After seeing the finale, I no longer have any qualms in regards to this episode. Everything unfolded in a way that made complete sense.
MO 10.01.13	ahahaha nice cover-up bro m/
MO 10.01.13	^^ not only that but the fact he helped found greymatter, a multi billion dollar company, says much more than him just being a chemistry teacher
Apollo 10.01.13	Ugh I'm seriously depressed it's over.
MO 10.01.13	i know. man. i've spent almost all day wathcing any bb video i can find
anarchistfish 10.01.13	"A mundane Chemistry teacher becomes a world renown drug manufacturer. I kinda implausible in reality dont ya think?" nope
Deviant. 10.01.13	I think you're confusing implausible with unlikely. Like, it could effectively happen under the right circumstances "After seeing the finale, I no longer have any qualms in regards to this episode. Everything unfolded in a way that made complete sense." Oh come on now!
Apollo 10.01.13	@ MO Yeah. I've never used Tumblr before, and I've subscribed to every BB tumblr page I can find. I've spent hours just scrolling through it.
Deviant. 10.01.13	Wonder how many people popped nerd boners when Marty Robbins started playing
Aids 10.01.13	andcas what won't you believe?
Thane 10.01.13	the box set thingy coming out in a few months will have a 2 hour documentary, featuring bryan and aaron reading the script for the final episode together for the first time. so awesome.
Deviant. 10.01.13	Love that they have in the barrel http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Bad-Complete-UltraViolet-Digital/dp/B00EEDNA4M/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1380471014&sr=1-1&keywords=Breaking+Bad%3A+The+Complete+Series+%28%2BUltraViolet+Digital+Copy%29+[Blu-ray]
Crymsonblaze 10.01.13	i do not envision that fitting well with other dvds on a shelf
Buzzkillr 10.01.13	Totally copping that collection. damn corporations playing with my emotions
Gyromania 10.01.13	so that scene where jesse drives through the gate - that should be the opening scene for the new need for speed movie he's starring in
Deviant. 10.01.13	"i do not envision that fitting well with other dvds on a shelf" Yeah, it'll constantly have to be at the top of the stack of dvd's/blu ray's. Or in its own separate pile
Azn. 10.02.13	dat finale
Progger6009 10.02.13	Way better than Dexter.
sacamano 10.02.13	"Breaking Bad" and "Bad Episode" should not be in the same sentence.
toxin. 10.02.13	"I think he's implying that when Gretchen and Elliot offered Walt money for his treatment and a job at Grey Matter, he refused it because of his hubris." no i wasn't, i was saying that a chemistry teacher (who is emasculated by his wife ffs) doing hands on work for a drug empire would 99% of the time get killed by the more experienced people in the industry. not saying that anything about the story was incoherent or illogical, just that (as jesse said) walt was really fuckin' lucky and if he were not our protag he'd likely have died long time ago "I think you're confusing implausible with unlikely. Like, it could effectively happen under the right circumstances" >not seeming reasonable or probable i think it was an accurate word to use but sure if you prefer 'unlikely' let's go with that
climactic 10.02.13	obviously the premise of a hs teacher becoming a druglord is insane lol that's the point
toxin. 10.02.13	also the finale was fuckin' great, the major plot points were predictable but the details were not. walt freeing jesse was expected but he went in wanting to kill jesse, walt visiting gretchen and elliott was expected but him swallowing his pride and letting jr. get money from someone other than himself was unexpected, walt using the m60 on the nazis was expected but building a fuckin' robot wasn't. not to mention his convo with skyler was a surprise, for him to admit he did it for himself will rate bb 10/10, gotta start watching the wire and the sopranos since apparently they're as good
toxin. 10.02.13	"obviously the premise of a hs teacher becoming a druglord is insane lol that's the point" ofc, what i'm saying is that the idea that bb would be really gritty and realistic (instead of using artistic liberties to enhance storytelling at the expense of realism) is a little myopic
climactic 10.02.13	yeah. gritty definitely, but there's definitely an element of sheer ridiculousness to the plot. (meth superlab hidden under a dryer in a giant laundromat...) i mean the way everything plays out is "realistic" but the plot itself requires you to stretch your imagination for sure
toxin. 10.02.13	exactly.
toxin. 10.02.13	"the situation in itself isn't implausible." that'd maybe be the case if walt weren't a ticking time bomb as described by mike. his problem was that he wasn't really all that calculated or forward-thinking, in fact walt was way too fuckin' reactionary, which is why jesse described him as 'lucky.' again i don't think anything in the show is inherently illogical, just that the story as it happened was very unlikely to happen (i.e. implausible, though possible).
klap 10.02.13	i do not think walt had very good street smarts
toxin. 10.02.13	"i do not think walt had very good street smarts" not until the finale, when he played on jack's pride to buy himself time but yeah
toxin. 10.02.13	actually strike that, he was always a good manipulator
Deviant. 10.03.13	"walt visiting gretchen and elliott was expected but him swallowing his pride and letting jr. get money from someone other than himself was unexpected" How was this unexpected? It's been the goal since day one. Even at the end of it all he still fought for his family -- Ozymandias' "we're a family" speech, and the phone call to Walt Jr (fuck the name Flynn) about sending him money
klap 10.03.13	i don't think street smarts = being able to manipulate people
jdennis31 10.03.13	"he was always a good manipulator" eh. I thought jesse was the dumbest character in the whole show because it seems like all of Walt's attempts at being warm/kind to Jesse seemed like obvious manipulation. When jesse finally calls Walt out, all I said was "about goddamn time".
toxin. 10.03.13	"How was this unexpected? It's been the goal since day one" yes walt was always family first at his root, there's no denying that, but it's also stupid to argue that his pride wasn't a big factor as well. at the end of the day, he thought he could have his cake (give money to fam) and eat it too (make sure the fam/everyone knows it's HIS money). why do you think he had problems with laundering money thru jr's site? but in felina he didn't even try to make a code so that at some point his fam realizes the money is his "i don't think street smarts = being able to manipulate people" being able to manipulate -> being able to read people -> being street smart. i think walt was pretty street smart, but he just lacked any foresight " I thought jesse was the dumbest character in the whole show" you're dumb then, walt's warmth towards jesse was real. if it weren't, he would have let gus kill him, and wouldn't have run over those dealers to save jesse, he wouldn't have tried to make jesse clean, etc. there was a lot of manipulating going on, but it's not like they're exclusive of each other
jdennis31 10.03.13	"you're dumb then" I'm guessing you're a little kid... He had genuine affection for Jesse, but when did he ever show any warmth without an alterior motive? I can't even think of a single instance when Walt consoled Jesse without some kind of selfish motive.
Crymsonblaze 10.03.13	jesse was da best
Rowan5215 10.03.13	Jesse and Mike are best yeah
Rowan5215 10.03.13	duh
jdennis31 10.03.13	I don't know if you changed your post, but if you didn't, then I'm dumb. Still don't appreciate your initial response though, you fag -_-
klap 10.03.13	i'd say being able to read people means you know how to interact with society. feel like that's a more universal trait than being "street smart." generic term anyways that doesn't really mean anything to me. like, mike was street smart imo
EyesWideShut 10.03.13	i guess in time im gonna look back into BB. I remember watching it during the first 2 seasons and thinking it was good, then it started to get too unrealistic for me. A friend of mine was telling me "realism" was never really part of the show and I was watching it for the wrong reasons. Still, i just dont see it being better than The Sopranos or even coming close to The Wire.
DrMaximus 10.03.13	Wtf? BB is entirely realistic. Other than Gus walking out of the room after the bomb went off, everything is realistic.
YoYoMancuso 10.03.13	there are only four shows breaking bad the wire the sopranos and six feet under Yes Six Feet Under was the best show ever
DrMaximus 10.03.13	Started watching Six Feet Under. Seems pretty good.
EyesWideShut 10.03.13	"Wtf? BB is entirely realistic. Other than Gus walking out of the room after the bomb went off, everything is realistic." The whole premise of the show is unrealistic. A cancer ridden science teacher turns into a meth dealing kingpin within 2 years. His brother in-law is DEA agent that could not figure it out until way later. Skylar, the typical suburb PTA mom doesnt run to the cops as soon as she finds out Walt is a meth dealer. Its very entertaining but is a bit of a stretch in the real world. But i get what your saying Meth can be made by a science teacher.
thespaceforthis 10.03.13	at first, walt had no street smarts at all, he was a ned flanders type character. He gradually became more street savvy, and thats fine cause its something you are NOT born with.
EyesWideShut 10.03.13	Did any of you guys watch The Shield? another good crime drama.
thespaceforthis 10.03.13	and even if the series is not entirely realistic, it doesnt matter. I dont know about you, but I can suspend my disbelief in favor of the entertainment.
DrMaximus 10.03.13	"The whole premise of the show is unrealistic. A cancer ridden science teacher turns into a meth dealing kingpin within 2 years. His brother in-law is DEA agent that could not figure it out until way later." Walt's been dealt a shit hand his whole life. The cancer diagnosis was just his breaking point, so, he said fuck it I'm cooking meth. Entirely plausible. Hank didn't suspect Walt as being Heisenberg because Hank has always known Walt as this milquetoast, frail kind of guy. Plus, he's family, your not just gonna assume your brother-in-law is a drug kingpin.
klap 10.03.13	people complaining about realism in TV are hilarious
Thane 10.03.13	watch the mythbusters breaking bad special if you think the show is realistic. the premise is somewhat realistic, but not the way it plays out in the show (not that i care)
thespaceforthis 10.04.13	magnets, bitch
thespaceforthis 10.04.13	Lol at the spanish version of breaking bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpg2MvVPV7Y
Thane 10.04.13	walter blanco lmao
toxin. 10.04.13	@klap yeah i mean i'd agree with what you're saying, but i do think an aspect of being street smart is knowing how to read people. but mike def knew how the game worked so to speak "He had genuine affection for Jesse, but when did he ever show any warmth without an alterior motive" lol alterior, um how about when he fucking ran over drug dealers and basically destroyed his relationship with gus for jesse's sake? also don't get so butthurt about me calling you dumb, you called jesse dumb so i used the word on you in a tongue-in-cheek manner
EyesWideShut 10.04.13	@Klap Yea i get what your saying. TV shows and also movies have an "entertainment value". What i meant was more like this, you got a movie like Scarface and a movie like Traffic. Both are about drugs, but are not really similar. Ya dig.
adarkishman 10.04.13	also with the cousins, turns out they do speak they say 'you know' at one point in season 3 to gus
DrMaximus 10.05.13	Lol. That article helped me get the closure I needed.
titlefightmeirl 10.05.13	I need a copy of that paper.