Ignimbrite: Ozymandias (BB SPOILERS)

Ignimbrite 09.16.13	List is recent vinyl purchases. I found 1 at my local record store today and it absolutely made my day. Back on topic... Gilligan has said that this is gonna be the best episode of the series.
YourDarkAffected 09.16.13	wow, that's quite a claim. I'm siked now.
DrMaximus 09.16.13	He said it was his favourite episode of the series. Anyway, I'm gonna have to wait to download it to see it, fuck. : /
YourDarkAffected 09.16.13	yea, me too. I don't have a tv.
Deviant. 09.16.13	Thank you for the obvious list title so I can make sure to avoid this for the next 12 hours until I watch it!
Ignimbrite 09.16.13	FUCK
MO 09.16.13	whoa
avonbarksdale221 09.16.13	bitch
JokineAugustus 09.16.13	I'M SHAKING SO MUCH RIGHT NOW!
MO 09.16.13	amazing
VicariousIntent 09.16.13	I can definitely see why he said that. That episode was fucking incredible and that title was perfect.
JokineAugustus 09.16.13	I saw Jane die. Omfg!!!!!!
Winsomniac 09.16.13	Krieg m/
tiesthatbind 09.16.13	He was right. This was the best episode of the series, easily.
JokineAugustus 09.16.13	Amazing that its true. No movie or tv show episode will ever beat this. It better have a 9.9 average on IMDB.
ShadowRemains 09.16.13	lol watching these threads is almost as good as the show itself
PistolPete 09.16.13	I can't believe how many plot developments they packed into one episode. That will go down in history.
Scoot 09.16.13	goat episode that knife scene was just brutal, when the camera panned backwards and he saw that skyler and jr were no longer his family brought dem feels
Ignimbrite 09.16.13	fuck man I thought that he was gonna stab Skylar or Flynn
FearThyEvil 09.16.13	I honestly almost thought Skylar was going to stab Walt Jr for a sec. Best episode ever
YoYoMancuso 09.16.13	I never thought anything was gonna make me more of a wreck than Todd shooting that kid, but Walt telling Jesse about Jane topped it. Baking Bread forever
YourDarkAffected 09.16.13	Holy. Shit.
Funeralopolis 09.16.13	I pretty much just watched that whole episode with my mouth open going 'holy shit' every few minutes. omg
Satellite 09.16.13	i called hank dying right after the scene where he called his wife. still shocking.
MO 09.16.13	bruuuuutal
PistolPete 09.16.13	At least Hank died with dignity, I liked how he went out. Champ.
DrMaximus 09.16.13	Vince didn't say this was the best episode of the series; he said it was his favourite.
Crymsonblaze 09.16.13	"No movie or tv show episode will ever beat this." lol
MO 09.16.13	same satty
TooLateToGoBack 09.16.13	Still on edge after that episode. Top 3 BB episodes for sure.
YourDarkAffected 09.16.13	I love the genius little things Vince and his writers do like having Hank and Gomez be buried in the same hole Walt buried his money in. Like this is what Walt has bought with his money.
DrMaximus 09.16.13	https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/622/2034/original.jpg
Deviant. 09.16.13	Jesus H Christ
Nikkolae 09.16.13	jesse should've ran away when walt asked him to, that way they'd all be alive, best BB episode fucking ever.
TMobotron 09.16.13	RIP to Gomie too. Loved that dude.
Nikkolae 09.16.13	he was legit
TheNexus100 09.16.13	just as this show gets to its peak, its ends. probably a good thing, but given the ridiculous hype BB has had since around season 2, I feel that the show is only worth it's hype this season and maybe 4. I wish they would have found a way to stretch it out and give us one more season
zxlkho 09.16.13	That episode was so emotionally devastating that I might not be able to sleep tonight.
Trebor. 09.16.13	I fucking called it that they were going to make Jesse their cooking bitch Goddamn was that an emotional thrill ride, fuckin too much I couldn't handle
Judio! 09.16.13	It's about time Walt straight up calls Skyler a bitch. For some reason it just felt really justified. Who else almost cried when Holly said "mamma" and when she was crying in the firetruck?
Ire 09.16.13	LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING gonna enjoy my high and this blood orange/mango sorbet and watch the shit out of this
grish 09.16.13	wow fuck just finished it, i was freaking out the entire time like fuck so many thigns i mean walt just straight up telling jesse about jane and walter jr finding out and hank dying and skyler swinging the goddamn knife and walt bitching out skyler ahhhh
grish 09.16.13	things*
Iamthe Nightstars 09.16.13	Seasons 1-3 are the best.
TMobotron 09.16.13	lol
SgtPepper 09.16.13	This is the second week in which after watching Breaking Bad, I go to watch Boardwalk Empire and Dexter (I know it's bad, still watching), and all I can think about during those two shows is what will become of Walter White. This week's episode was great. That shot of Walt Jr. kneeling to protect Skylar, as Walt stans before them and goes from outraged to ashamed- was powerful. You really see just how much damage he's caused in such little time.
toxin. 09.16.13	that shit was cray every part of that episode was amazing, also loved walt's call to skyler. it's so refreshing to see a TV show that doesn't explicitly state its character's motives. a shittier tv show would have walt end the call with "i can't beleive i had to say that to protect her"
toxin. 09.16.13	"It's about time Walt straight up calls Skyler a bitch. For some reason it just felt really justified." lol idiot....
Trebor. 09.16.13	"It's about time Walt straight up calls Skyler a bitch. For some reason it just felt really justified." lol you fucking idiot, he's obviously acting to make him look like the clear bad guy to get heat off of skylar
Scoot 09.16.13	fuck that intro is hard to watch, makes me miss when i just started watching the series
TMobotron 09.16.13	"a shittier tv show would have walt end the call with "i can't beleive i had to say that to protect her"" Dexter would've had a 2 minute conversation with his dead dad about it. @sgtpepper, i quit watching boardwalk empire about halfway through ssn 3. It's a solid show, but it just kind of wore off me. Any reason to pick it back up or is it still about the same?
Trebor. 09.16.13	You can tell which people aren't going to be successful in film school if they like Dexter
toxin. 09.16.13	lol haven't watched dexter and prob never will
SgtPepper 09.16.13	@TMobotron the finale moments of season 3 were pretty great, if you didn't end up watching them. I'd say they're definitely worth a view. As for this season, it's too soon to tell. Boardwalk really takes it's time to get stuff going- which can be either overwhelming or fun depending on the viewer's tastes. I'm a huge fan of Boardwalk, so as such I'd say give it a shot. but if you hate the show's pace, then I doubt this season will change your mind.
TMobotron 09.16.13	It's a cool premise and pretty good for a few seasons but yeah i'd never recommend anyone watch the whole thing. EDIT: referring to dexter here.
TMobotron 09.16.13	nah i didn't hate the show's pace... just lost interest i guess. I'll probably get back into it at some point. Part of the issue is that the shocking moment at the end of ssn 2 kind of ended some of my favorite plotlines.
SgtPepper 09.16.13	@Treb I was a Dexter fan, now I'm mainly sticking around to see it finish. When it comes to Tv shows/movies, I like to finish what I start. Also, for writers, it's sometimes good to see a show like Dexter because you can catch their mistakes and see where and why the show went bad. Noticing stuff like that can help you avoid similar mistakes when you're constructing characters/creating stories.
SgtPepper 09.16.13	@TM Yeah, Boardwalk hasn't been the same since "that particular death', but I think it's still going on strong. I mean, if my word counts for anything, I'd say give it another shot.
TMobotron 09.16.13	Yeah I'm still watching Dexter too, I've pretty much lost interest since season 4. I held out hope that it would become good again. Some people thought ssn 7 redeemed itself, I just thought it was less shitty than 5 and 6. That being said, it's still more entertaining than a lot of shows on now, but it showed a lot of potential in the first seasons and now it's just lazy as hell. Cool Sgt, I'll have to pick it back up. HBOGO makes it so easy anyway, I might as well. I need a good show to watch these days.
Ire 09.16.13	dexter is prob gay
Trebor. 09.16.13	People who still hate Skylar should probably die
Ire 09.16.13	i hate skylar cos i hate walt who cares eat my dick
Iamthe Nightstars 09.16.13	None of the characters on the show were really likable past the third season.
Trebor. 09.16.13	they're not supposed to be likeable this isn't Friends
Ire 09.16.13	but yah ep ruled my mind
toxin. 09.16.13	ire you should like skyler cuz you hate walt
Iamthe Nightstars 09.16.13	orly?
TMobotron 09.16.13	jesse has always been likable
grish 09.16.13	Yeah jesse's still cool.
Scoot 09.16.13	jesse's a sniveling little bitchboy now, he hasn't been cool since he killed gale and now he's just a rat
TMobotron 09.16.13	That seems like a pretty shallow way of looking at him IMO, he's always been a sympathetic character with a good heart. I think his motivations for ratting out walt are pretty well justified. He's been manipulated and lied to over and over and has always tried to do the right thing. I can handle the deaths of Mike, Hank, Gale, whoever, but if Jesse gets killed I will be devastated.
Crymsonblaze 09.16.13	jesse is the most sympathetic character of the whole show
Deathconscious 09.16.13	"I pretty much just watched that whole episode with my mouth open going 'holy shit' every few minutes. omg" basically this. so many jaw-dropping moments. when walt was mocking skylar about her moral objections i almost felt like that was a response to people who thought she was just an annoying bitch for objecting to walts behavior.
eleventhsun 09.16.13	That was really intense stuff, just brutal. Hank went out like a boss, Walt begged and pleaded and Hank was just like bring it fucker. Cranston brought his performance to a new level tonight and that's saying a lot. Just how his voice shuttered at every mention of Hank, when he screamed "I tried to save him" fuck man.
Uranium 09.16.13	walt's gonna go back though. one of the new episode openers was the next door neighbor dropping her bag of groceries when she sees walt show up at his own house.
TMobotron 09.16.13	"when walt was mocking skylar about her moral objections i almost felt like that was a response to people who thought she was just an annoying bitch for objecting to walts behavior." The whole phone call, but this part specifically, was a way for Walt to make skyler seem innocent to the police. His imitating her voice is sort of out of character for him, which just emphasizes more that he isn't genuine, he's voicing her saying things like "you shouldn't do this. it's immoral, it's illegal" specifically so that the police will think that skyler was opposed to walt's actions the entire time and so that she won't go to jail and the rest of his family won't fall apart.
SpiritCrusher2 09.16.13	the best fucking episode ever I finished with watching it half hour ago and I still can't calm down. that shit was incredible. fuuuck
Deathconscious 09.16.13	@tmobotron yeah i got that.
Faraudo 09.16.13	This was just an amazing showing of how you write an episode.
Deviant. 09.16.13	"walt's gonna go back though. one of the new episode openers was the next door neighbor dropping her bag of groceries when she sees walt show up at his own house. " Yeah, we know. WE WATCH THIS SHOW
ILJ 09.16.13	that fucking episode man. the only other time i've ever felt that emotional about a show is that one GoT episode where all the likable characters get killed all at once.
JokineAugustus 09.16.13	Same. Everyone must be retarded to think that Walt hates his family now.
avonbarksdale221 09.16.13	My name is ASAC Schrader, and you can go fuck yourself. Boss.
DropdeadWHA 09.16.13	One of the best episodes of the series.
TMobotron 09.16.13	"the only other time i've ever felt that emotional about a show is that one GoT episode where all the likable characters get killed all at once" I really like GoT but I find it to be so overrated. I really like it but I just can't feel the same love that it seems like everyone has for it. That episode was good, and yeah pretty shocking but it really wasn't near as impacting as some other TV has been for me.
dimsim3478 09.16.13	I love GoT, books and all. The third season was a little underwhelming but you have to remember that it's really only half a book's worth of material. It's more like season 3A. The phone call scene was incredible. Wow, in an episode with Hank and Gomez dying, Walt Jr. finding out, Walt telling Jesse about Jane and Skyler trying to stab Walt, a fucking phone call was my favourite part.
Uranium 09.16.13	"Yeah, we know. WE WATCH THIS SHOW" Calm your tits.
ApplicationToHeaven 09.16.13	walt is pretty stupid most of the time but obviously he would have realised the police would be listening to that phone call - so yeah, he was just making sure he was held responsible
demigod! 09.16.13	episode was insane. probably one of the best of the series. RIP HANK
TheNexus100 09.16.13	hes not stupid lol hahahaha
YourDarkAffected 09.16.13	He's not stupid. He just makes a lot of foolish decisions because his pride and emotions get in the way of logical thinking.
SpiritCrusher2 09.16.13	"you're the smartest person I've ever met, but you're too stupid to see that he made his mind up ten minutes ago" dat quote dem feelz damn RIP Hank
Drummerboy123 09.16.13	Best BB episode. No questions asked. When Walter dropped the knife it was like the penny dropped and he realised that he is a monster. I think these next 2 episodes will be him trying to redeem what he's done. The M60 machine gun is to save Jesse from the Nazis's. Still don't know why the house is wrecked and why "Heisenburg" is written on the walls.
DrMaximus 09.16.13	No. Fuck redemption. Why is everyone saying Walt is going to redeem himself? He is so far beyond redemption that even if he were to do something good, it wouldn't even come close to making up for what he's done. Also, why the fuck would Walt rescue Jesse? Seriously? The guy put a hit out on Jesse, and if that's not bad enough, he also told Jesse about Jane. What's more is he also gave the go ahead to Jack to put a bullet in Jesse's head. If it weren't for Todd, Jesse would be dead. The idea that Walt is going to rescue Jesse is so unbelievable implausible.
demigod! 09.16.13	why do you feel Walt needs to die? Everything he's done he's done for the good of his family... and honestly, he hasn't killed or truly hurt anyone that wasn't a scummy criminal (well, at least until Hank and Gomie, but that wasn't completely his fault. And Jane, but you can tell she was only gonna be worse for Jesse than anyone). He's really not that evil. He just has a set goal, and wants to complete it. and it's honestly a pretty noble goal.
DrMaximus 09.16.13	Walt needs to survive the whole show in order to truly reap what he's sowed.
Ire 09.16.13	man when the episode started with the season 1 shit i thought it was gonna be the best part of the episode but then it ended up being the worst/least best part of the episode :O
SpiritCrusher2 09.16.13	"The M60 machine gun is to save Jesse from the Nazis's" lol no " Everything he's done he's done for the good of his family.. (...) He's really not that evil. He just has a set goal, and wants to complete it. and it's honestly a pretty noble goal." yea, if you're still on season 1
Azn. 09.16.13	"" Everything he's done he's done for the good of his family.. (...) He's really not that evil. He just has a set goal, and wants to complete it. and it's honestly a pretty noble goal."" yeah pretty much
SpiritCrusher2 09.16.13	oh shut up
Smithsonian 09.16.13	That moment when Walt jr tackles his dad.....holy fucking shit
demigod! 09.16.13	"yea, if you're still on season 1" explain
Azn. 09.16.13	morality isn't black and white walt's intentions are still family-focused, you dolt the whole point is that while he's still doing horrible stuff, he's doing it with his family in mind
ILJ 09.16.13	"so yeah, he was just making sure he was held responsible" it truly amazes me how many people completely missed the point of the phone call. i've seen a lot of people talking about how much of an asshole he was being and they completely fail to realize it was him making sure Sky was absolved of guilt. and yeah, that shot of him holding the knife and then cutting to Skylar and Breakfast looking at him like that was probably one of the best moments of any show ever. i can't wait to watch the whole show start to finish. truly amazing how everything turns to shit.
ILJ 09.16.13	well maybe not absolved of guilt in a moral sense but absolved of guilt in the criminal court of law sense.
DrMaximus 09.16.13	Did you just call Walt Jr. Breakfast? Shut the fuck up.
ILJ 09.16.13	"morality isn't black and white walt's intentions are still family-focused, you dolt the whole point is that while he's still doing horrible stuff, he's doing it with his family in mind" maybe at the beginning yeah but there are many points throughout the series where his continued involvement is based on ego and power trip more than family. you can't tell me that there wasn't a point before Skylar showed him the storage unit full of money where Walt couldn't have realized "Hey I probably have more than enough money to ensure my family's well being for several generations, I should probably quit while I'm ahead." and there's the "i'm in the empire business" stuff. he started it for family, but he did not always have pure intentions. this is why the show is so great though. it paints the fine line between moral and immoral perfectly.
ILJ 09.16.13	"Did you just call Walt Jr. Breakfast? Shut the fuck up." easy mate, it's a joke
klap 09.16.13	yeah, poisoning brock was super noble of him
chambered99 09.16.13	my fucking god walt is such a bastard but I feel so fucking much for that man jesus
chambered99 09.16.13	No. Fuck redemption. Why is everyone saying Walt is going to redeem himself? He is so far beyond redemption ^also this, I think he's gonna end up killing himself, the guilt is just too heavy to bear now
DrMaximus 09.16.13	Jokes ILJ. But, seriously that little rat looking thing crossing the road at the end was probably my favourite part of the episode.
Azn. 09.16.13	that's probably what the ricin is for also I mean he poisoned brock but purposefully made sure he'd be fine
ILJ 09.16.13	When he went on that spiel about Jane to Jesse all I could think was "fucking die you piece of shit" and then somehow by the end of the episode I was sympathizing with him.
demigod! 09.16.13	it was a stray dog, and it was brilliant agreed saw a post on reddit about it, was interesting: Gale = Problem dog Jesse = Rabid dog and now Walt = Stray dog
ILJ 09.16.13	Vince Gilligan, always with the symbolism.
Azn. 09.16.13	"When he went on that spiel about Jane to Jesse all I could think was "fucking die you piece of shit" and then somehow by the end of the episode I was sympathizing with him." I could think of nothing but "holy shit this is intense and badass"
MO 09.16.13	"I think he's gonna end up killing himself, the guilt is just too heavy to bear now" unless both skyler and walt jr die, I don't see this happening
chambered99 09.16.13	I was sympathizing with him. I know it's fuckin crazy dude
demigod! 09.16.13	also is it just me or is Marie looking exceptionally more fuckable with each new episode
chambered99 09.16.13	why do skyler and jr have to die for him to kill himself I mean jesus the guy has obliterated his life
MO 09.16.13	because from whats happened so far, at least to me, he doesn't seem to feel guilty about any of it. hank wanted to capture him. as soon as hank died, he truly broke bad. the only way to snap him out of it is if they both die. I don't know thats how i'm seeing it.
Azn. 09.16.13	I like how Breakfast straight up called the cops and lied to them about Walt
eleventhsun 09.16.13	I think I was caught up in the emotion of the episode but can someone tell me what Jesse meant when he said "the tape is at his house, just go there." Is it the tape Walt made? As soon as he snatched the baby I had this sense of dread like Todd and the boys were going to show up and Walt tried to save them but they attacked him. I obviously read too much into that.
DrMaximus 09.16.13	The tape Jesse made with Hank and Gomie in Rabid Dog.
Ire 09.16.13	idk how anyone sees walt as anything but a total monster still rooting for jesse bitch! (damn that joke got p old)
Crymsonblaze 09.16.13	"they're not supposed to be likeable" that's my problem with lots of shows that somehow receive a lot of critical acclaim. examples include this and game of thrones (although game of thrones is a much MUCH worse show) if there aren't any likeable characters, then what's the point? i watch the show because of aaron paul. jesse is a fantasticly layered character. cranston is a great actor and he's good in the role, but i honestly don't haven't given a shit about his character since he lost all his humanity in season 4 (maybe towards the end of 3, i can't remember) same with lots of the characters
Ire 09.16.13	then again idk i think jesse is just fucked at this point
klap 09.16.13	justifying walt's actions is lol - so far past redemption since season 2
MrSirLordGentleman 09.16.13	GOMIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
eleventhsun 09.16.13	Oooh totally zoned on that tape, thanks Maximus.
UnnamedOcean 09.16.13	God what an episode. Even though I was sure Hank wouldn't make it out, my mouth still hit the floor when it happened. It's also really funny to see all the people sympathize with Walt while hating on Hank and Skyler. Walt is a very complex character, and while I can understand his motives, his actions are far beyond redemption.
JokineAugustus 09.16.13	"(although game of thrones is a much MUCH worse show)" DIE!
ILJ 09.16.13	" if there aren't any likeable characters, then what's the point?" they are both still great shows, and Breaking Bad at least has incredible character development. it's not about having likeable characters, it's about BELIEVABLE characters. i want to think to myself "this seems like an actual, three dimensional human being" like virtually every character on BB. the character development on GoT isn't nearly as good, but the content itself and the storylines make up for it. i like having hated characters in shows. if nothing else, i'll watch in the vain hope that something awful will happen to them (joffrey in GoT is a perfect example, i fucking hate that guy ugh worst character ever)
Trebor. 09.16.13	"Walt needs to survive the whole show in order to truly reap what he's sowed." Nah it's gonna end Hamlet style with Jesse being the Horatio
Trebor. 09.16.13	""" Everything he's done he's done for the good of his family.. (...) He's really not that evil. He just has a set goal, and wants to complete it. and it's honestly a pretty noble goal."" yeah pretty much" lolololololololololol and the award for biggest misunderstanding of the show goes to....... Walt could have easily accepted his old friend's money and none of this would have happen. He's a horrible fucking human being who only cares about his own pride and his own ego.
Trebor. 09.16.13	Why are people acting like it's improbable that he's going back to get Jesse with the M60? What the fuck else would it be for? I think that's exactly what he's doing, and he's going to take the ricin himself to make sure he goes down no matter what happens for true redemption daaaaaaaamn He finally realizes what a fuck he is, when Hank died, and then when he lost his family. Him giving Holly back is just the beginning of his redemption
Drummerboy123 09.16.13	"Why are people acting like it's improbable that he's going back to get Jesse with the M60? What the fuck else would it be for? I think that's exactly what he's doing, and he's going to take the ricin himself to make sure he goes down no matter what happens for true redemption daaaaaaaamn He finally realizes what a fuck he is, when Hank died, and then when he lost his family. Him giving Holly back is just the beginning of his redemption" [2]. "Walt could have easily accepted his old friend's money and none of this would have happen. He's a horrible fucking human being who only cares about his own pride and his own ego." It was also shame. He was an overqualified chemistry teacher and should have made millions by co founding Gray Matter. So he decided to make his own empire of meth.
Trebor. 09.16.13	He should have just stopped bitching and finished his doctorate if he never did and become a college professor or some shit I guess there'd be no show if he did that though
DrMaximus 09.16.13	Lol, or take the offer that he was given at the beginning. None of Walt's actions are justified, because he could have taken the offer.
Nikkolae 09.16.13	also is it just me or is Marie looking exceptionally more fuckable with each new episode [2] dat white girl ass
Trebor. 09.16.13	I hear she's recently become single too
MO 09.16.13	" He should have just stopped bitching and finished his doctorate if he never did and become a college professor or some shit" Ahaha you saying that proves just how strong this show is damn
Crymsonblaze 09.16.13	"DIE!" kk
Uranium 09.16.13	"also is it just me or is Marie looking exceptionally more fuckable with each new episode " lol marie has always been the hot girl
demigod! 09.16.13	idk man she started off pretty ehh but has been progressively getting more attractive whereas skylar started off pretty sexy but is getting worse TRANSFORMATION!
demigod! 09.16.13	" """ Everything he's done he's done for the good of his family.. (...) He's really not that evil. He just has a set goal, and wants to complete it. and it's honestly a pretty noble goal."" yeah pretty much" lolololololololololol and the award for biggest misunderstanding of the show goes to....... Walt could have easily accepted his old friend's money and none of this would have happen." i forgot about the Grey Matter thing. you don't have to be a cocky asshat about it, though. YOURE JUST AS BAD AS WALTER.
Uranium 09.16.13	walter needs to go to hawaii, get a hot rebound and forget the whole thing ever happened
Nikkolae 09.16.13	its funny people say that he did all those bad things for his family when he really did it for retribution, to make up for a life of failure, his family, cancer, anger, shame, frustration and knowledge were just parts of the perfect storm for him to seek that out and in his words "to see it throught"
MrSirLordGentleman 09.16.13	@Uranium Walt needs to go to Belize
Buzzkillr 09.16.13	"Why are people acting like it's improbable that he's going back to get Jesse with the M60?" ummm, he thinks jesse is dead. only todd knows that jesse is alive, and is using him to get purer meth. he's gonna use the m60 to take down the nazis as revenge for killing hank, and possibly for stealing most of his money
Buzzkillr 09.16.13	also: http://i.imgur.com/geyrbiF.jpg love these
JokineAugustus 09.16.13	9.9 average BITCH!
Inveigh 09.16.13	anyone else notice all the parallels that exist in this show? for instance... when Gus and his friend Max go to the Cartel to explain what they're doing and Horatio kills Max right in front of Gus... Gus, for all his smarts, never realized that Horatio had made up his mind to do that before the meeting ever occurred. When Max died, Gus fell to the ground in the exact same motion that Walt did when Hank was shot -- even the camera angle on his face was the same they showed Walt with after Hank's death. If anyone remembers what Gus did to that Cartel afterwards... well then I think you have a pretty good idea what that M60 is for.
Inveigh 09.16.13	also the foreshadowing in BB is the best I've ever seen. In the episode where Jane dies, she has a line early on in the ep, "I just threw up in my mouth." Later on she comes into the kitchen and Jesse is making her breakfast; he says "I didn't think you would wake up." She responds with, "ever?" fucking brilliant show
Trebor. 09.16.13	Deltron 3030 is actually a sequel to Breaking Bad where the company Gray Matter has invented robots and shit and helped create that post apocalyptic future Upgrade your gray matter, cuz one day it may matter
Trebor. 09.16.13	"If anyone remembers what Gus did to that Cartel afterwards... well then I think you have a pretty good idea what that M60 is for." oh yeah damn, he poisoned them and himself too, I guess I was right about Walt taking the ricin himself at least People were so off about him killing jesse and skylar or whatever with that clothing/mannerism theory
Deathconscious 09.16.13	walt hates jesse because he ruined everything. instead of just talking to him he went to the cops and had a hand in hank being killed, i think thats the way walt sees it. so i really doubt hes coming for jesse.
Trebor. 09.16.13	He may not be going there for him, but I bet they'll reconcile I wouldn't be surprised if Todd keeps Lydia as his sex slave
demigod! 09.16.13	did anyone else notice Walter's old pants from the pilot during the barrel rolling scene? loved that
Deathconscious 09.16.13	i think theyre beyond reconciliation...if anyone is willing to reconcile it would be walt, but i dont think he is. and even if he is, jesse already hated him for poisoning brock and becoming a monster, but now he knows about jane. theres no way jesse is ever forgiving him.
jtswope 09.16.13	Amazing episode! I actually was lucky enough to meet Vince Gilligan last night at the Creative Arts Emmys and he told me it was gonna be good!
Trebor. 09.16.13	They might not reconsile completely, but Jesse is going to be the sole survivor and the Horatio of the story I tell you what The show is going to end with a voiceover of Jesse recounting the events of the entire show. The camera pulls back and Huell is in bed, Jesse is reading him a bed time story "Now Huell, get some rest. You're not going to win that pie eating contest if you don't get a full night's sleep, you hear me....bitch" "OK Jesse, good night"
Deathconscious 09.16.13	"I wouldn't be surprised if Todd keeps Lydia as his sex slave" todd is kind of a creepy character. hes got this innocence to him but at the same time he has no problem killing children and torturing people. i could see him being a rapey kind of guy, yeah.
Deathconscious 09.16.13	"arent you tired, bitch?" "reasonably."
Buzzkillr 09.16.13	"He may not be going there for him, but I bet they'll reconcile" are you high? walt just tried to have him killed, admitted to killing his girlfriend and because of him jesse is now a slave one or both of them will die from each other's hands, definitely
Trebor. 09.16.13	He's learned a lot since then dude, I realize that all that shit was in one episode But he lost his family so he might realize Jesse is his only son left ya know
Buzzkillr 09.16.13	The issue isn't with Walt forgiving Jesse, it's with Jesse forgiving Walt, which will clearly never happen. Even if Walt did forgive Jesse, which he might, Jesse would stab him in the back.
ShadowRemains 09.16.13	lol
DrMaximus 09.16.13	I never know when you are being serious or joking, Treb.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	Holy fuck, a 10/10 on IMDB, that's insane.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	It was crazy because he lost everything and everyone. He almost did it all for nothing, no money and no family. He did the only noble thing he could, gave the baby back and absolved his wife of any of his wrongdoings. I predict some sort of crazy Scarface showdown with the machine gun, Jesse inadvertently gets saved, Walt and the white sups die and Jesse giving Walt's family the rest of his money...
Smithsonian 09.17.13	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP_4z4IoYHs
JokineAugustus 09.17.13	Holy fuck, a 10/10 on IMDB, that's insane.[8500]
Insurrection 09.17.13	episode was so fucking intense. maybe the best one so far
Nikkolae 09.17.13	"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP_4z4IoYHs" get out
toxin. 09.17.13	no way jesse forgives walt unless walt dies saving him from the nazis which is what i'd expect to happen but it's too predictable for BB so we'll see
Deathconscious 09.17.13	apparently the scene where they showed walt in the future buying that machine gun and shit was completely improvised and they had no idea what they would do with it.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	I don't like the idea of Walt using the machine gun on Nazis to rescue Jesse. It's too damn predictable, not to mention extremely contrived. Yeah, this is true Adolf.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	That info about the improvisation also changes things a bit, I was unaware. I don't see Walt going to "save" Jesse, I think he will be surprised to find him as a slave. But the revenge is almost inevitable. It's predictable but knowing Walt, revenge is coming in some way. I just have a feeling, to appease fans they will have Jesse survive in an indirect way. But, in the spoilers given by Gilligan a few weeks back he said something about Lydia showing just how horrible she. She was also absent from this weeks episode, so who knows.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	There are only two episodes left, so if Lydia is gonna off someone, it'll likely happen next episode.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Yea, I would imagine so. The spoilers for next week don't give much, only that Skyler is facing legal stuff and Saul reasoning with Walt. Could you imagine after all of this, he turns himself in? His phone call lessens it a bit but she willingly laundered millions of dollars as well as that stuff with Ted. She faces something either way.
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	See what I was thinking: they wouldn't show Todd developing an affection for Lydia for no reason. The way he held that cup after she drank from it, the way he tries to get her approval. He's obviously really into her. So lydia comes by to check on the product. See's that it's much improved. Todd reveals that Jesse has been helping him cook. Jesse wraps that fucking chain around Lydia's throat and uses her to escape. Just spitballing around
toxin. 09.17.13	the whole reason jesse is cooking for todd is so that todd can impress lydia, obv the nazis dgaf about the blue meth money now that they have so much of walt's i don't think jesse will escape becasue he seems pretty broken. and would he be so reckless knowing andrea and brock's lives are at risk? doubt it, he's not walt
anarchistfish 09.17.13	" I think these next 2 episodes will be him trying to redeem what he's done" Lol. The whole point of this episode was him passing the point of no return and everything he's done being for nothing. Best episode ever.
toxin. 09.17.13	him passing the point of no return doesn't mean he can't at least try to redeem himself even a little i mean this episode proved that walt isn't an immoral guy, his problem is that he bullshits himself too much into rationalizing bad things that should go against his morals (e.g. that poisoning a little kid is ever ok, if it means helping his family or whatever). after seeing walt jr's reaction to him, i think walt's realized he's fucked up too hard. and tho he can't redeem himself he'll try to get some good out of his life before he dies (or at least i think that's what'll happen, like i said it's hella predictable and BB is anything but)
anarchistfish 09.17.13	Oh I do think that Jesse will survive and he'll probably be the cause of that, but he's never gonna completely redeem himself. He's still gonna die, and the bottom line will be that he fucked everything up
demigod! 09.17.13	im still not sure if the Jane revelation was Walt's "fuck you" to Jesse or a form of catharsis... or both...?
toxin. 09.17.13	skyler didn't get called the fuck out way to miss the complete fucking nuance of that scene UGH
anarchistfish 09.17.13	"When he went on that spiel about Jane to Jesse all I could think was "fucking die you piece of shit" and then somehow by the end of the episode I was sympathizing with him." I've been wondering for a while when Jesse would finally find out. "also is it just me or is Marie looking exceptionally more fuckable with each new episode " Nope, not just you. " I hear she's recently become single too" Mmmmmm comfort rebound sex
Crymsonblaze 09.17.13	jesse better not die, he's the only one i care about
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	I don't know, I've convinced myself that there is going to be something with Todd/Lydia/Jesse. Yeah at first I was like "he called her a stupid bitch...what?" and then bam it hit me like a ton of bricks. Taking the fall :'(. The Jane thing was weird. I think it was definitely more of a fuck you than catharsis. On one hand, I'm sure it was something he wanted to get off his chest. On the other hand, he had sentenced Jesse to death mere MOMENTS before. I think it was definitely more fuck you
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	jesse better not die, he's the only one i care about [2] Well. I do like Jr.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	Wtf andcas? The call was Walt's way of absolving Skyler of any guilt. Why do think he was upset saying those things? Also, he confessed to all those things because he was gonna use Saul's guy to vanish, so, it doesn't really matter what the police know about him. I think Walt telling Jesse about Jane was purely cathartic. Walt just lost Hank, and if Jesse wasn't working with Hank, He would still be alive. Walt telling Jesse about Jane, in a way, makes him feel better.
demigod! 09.17.13	sort of a sick, twisted bastardization of catharsis and vengeance.. psychological warfare
anarchistfish 09.17.13	Even if he was being serious during that call (those tears) I don't understand why she'd deserve it. It made him sound like a megalomaniac cunt wife beater. "im still not sure if the Jane revelation was Walt's "fuck you" to Jesse or a form of catharsis... or both...?" In what way would it be catharsis? Definitely a fuck you. Right down to how he squeezed it for what it was worth.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	In the way that Walt feels better by bringing other people down.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	So, in a "fuck you" kind of way?
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	God damn though, what a horror movie of an episode. The whole thing with Jesse getting chained to a meth lab totally took me back to Pulp Fiction.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	Was directed at DrMaximus But I agree
toxin. 09.17.13	dont think walt knew that the nazis would torture jesse but not sure if that'd even change his mind
eleventhsun 09.17.13	I can't help but think Jesse is a clown. I mean, he always makes these plans and they fall through. He could have been long gone, but now he's a slave. So he decides to go against Walt. They had Walt in the park but then he had a better plan and now he's a slave.
acorncheese 09.17.13	" The idea that Walt is going to rescue Jesse is so unbelievable implausible." i'd be shocked if that's not what happens.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	And Walt definitely knew there was going to be some torture. Todd mentioned the idea of interrogating him back home, they asked Walt if that was fine with him and they would finish the job after. Walt then nodded. He definitely knew what was in store for Jesse, who was being dragged away screaming as if he were going to a fate worse than death.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Walt will need something to let him know Jesse is even alive, the flash forward is in the future. He will have to hear about the Blue Meth on the market again. HIS empire. It will throw him over the edge, think about his ego? Especially at this point, he has been got so bad, robbed and abandoned. If he finds out those greedy fools are cooking his recipe, he will flip shit. Not to save Jesse, out of straight up Heisenberg pride.
acorncheese 09.17.13	he'll know jesse is alive when he either sees blue meth or hears about it on the news or something.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	I have this vision of Walt sitting in New Hampshire a bit in the future, just stewing in his thoughts; when all of the sudden the blue meth hits town, and its amazing and at that moment he knows it's Jesse.
toxin. 09.17.13	"I mean, he always makes these plans and they fall through. " his plan to capture walt worked tho...
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Yea and I remember when he worked with Mike his plans went through as well. Jumped the shark a bit I suppose.
Trebor. 09.17.13	"I have this vision of Walt sitting in New Hampshire a bit in the future, just stewing in his thoughts; when all of the sudden the blue meth hits town, and its amazing and at that moment he knows it's Jesse." oh fuck I didn't think about that
Trebor. 09.17.13	In the flash forward he doesn't seem super pissed or vengeful at all
ShadowRemains 09.17.13	the euphoria/catharsis on imdb from that episode is insane
toxin. 09.17.13	" hank is dead and he's now a meth slave with that kid and his love interest in danger so yeah it worked pretty damn well" ok walt was also arrested, i think you can give him a pass for not predicting that the nazis would come
klap 09.17.13	um walt already knows todd and them are cooking meth, that's why he got out of the business. it's not a big surprise or anything
Scoot 09.17.13	wonder what they did to jesse his face has taken a fucking beating over the course of the series
Trebor. 09.17.13	Did Lydia order the nazis to go to the desert after Walt told them not to?
toxin. 09.17.13	they didn't know walt was being arrested, and besides they could easily arrange for walt to be killed so that's not an issue
Scoot 09.17.13	they were protecting their investment, he was scheduled to do a cook for them
toxin. 09.17.13	because a) they're nazis and b) they inferred he was in trouble (which can mean any number of things) he did not say he was arrested though
toxin. 09.17.13	they knew that he and jesse were at those coordinates jesse is not a cop so why the fuck would they assume walt's gonna be arrested
Deviant. 09.17.13	"because ALIENS!" Best reasoning you've had so far Andcas
anarchistfish 09.17.13	"they knew that he and jesse were at those coordinates jesse is not a cop so why the fuck would they assume walt's gonna be arrested" Well it's more that they know he might be in trouble and they still want him to cook for them. So they're checking it out anyway to make sure he's alright. "I have this vision of Walt sitting in New Hampshire a bit in the future, just stewing in his thoughts; when all of the sudden the blue meth hits town, and its amazing and at that moment he knows it's Jesse." Actually this is probably pretty accurate. I'm just trying to work out whether he's going back cos he's had a change of heart and wants to save him, or whether he's going back to kill him.
Azn. 09.17.13	"its funny people say that he did all those bad things for his family when he really did it for retribution, to make up for a life of failure, his family, cancer, anger, shame, frustration and knowledge were just parts of the perfect storm for him to seek that out and in his words "to see it throught"" no...he did it because of all those things AND his family. Walt's character is extremely complex and I sympathize with all of his reasons for doing what he has done. I'm not "rooting" for walt necessarily (nobody wins, remember?) but I like him as a character and I understand where he comes from as a person
Azn. 09.17.13	"lolololololololololol and the award for biggest misunderstanding of the show goes to......." you apparently lol. The point is that while some characters are meant to be portrayed in a certain way, the show challenges the audience to still sympathize with certain characters. Certain people in the show say things and act a certain way to generally portray moral ambiguity or the dark side of morality at least. Example: Hank being aloof to Jesse's potential death in the sting. To consign any character as purely "good" or "evil" is missing the point. Everyone breaks bad.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	Except Gomie.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	"no...he did it because of all those things AND his family." he said family
Azn. 09.17.13	all the major characters, at least even jesse, who has been getting morally better, could be seen as "breaking bad" towards the end for betraying Walt. Sure, Walt manipulates Jesse a lot, but Jesse does owe his life to him.
Azn. 09.17.13	oh oops
anarchistfish 09.17.13	"Sure, Walt manipulates Jesse a lot, but Jesse does owe his life to him." How so? I mean, Walt has saved him a few times, but only from the danger he put Jesse in in the first place. Making him seem like Jesse somehow still owes him is part of the manipulation.
Azn. 09.17.13	That's what I mean, Walt has saved Jesse's ass many times despite what he put Jesse through. And eh with that part with Walt running over the dudes that was Jesse's fault. He didn't have to confront the guys at all.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	He's used Jesse and in the process put him in danger multiple times, almost killed his girlfriend's son, effectively killed his other girlfriend and emotionally fucked him. I'd say he's pretty justified in hating him.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	How can people honestly think Jesse is overreacting, like wtf?
Azn. 09.17.13	I don't think jesse's overreacting lol I just think that walt's anger at jesse and any dislike of jesse for betraying walt can be justified
Azn. 09.17.13	Everyone is behaving in this show as they probably should Besides skyler and breakfast
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Jane was an evil and manipulative bitch, she arrived and immediately threatened Walt. She was overdosing and Walt shouldn't have been in the house. I still stand by him for letting her die, just like she was going to let him die. Jesse made his own choices, Walt was out of the business and Jesse wanted to cook again. Jesse was given multiple chances to leave but he didn't. He was no forced by Walt.
ti0n 09.17.13	best episode ever appeared on tv? check
klap 09.17.13	people defending walt are lollll
Trebor. 09.17.13	just because someone is opposing you doesn't give you the right to let them die wtf Discussing this show really does bring out how fucked up some of you guys are
anarchistfish 09.17.13	"Jane was an evil and manipulative bitch, she arrived and immediately threatened Walt. She was overdosing and Walt shouldn't have been in the house. I still stand by him for letting her die, just like she was going to let him die." fucking hell I hope I don't ever meet you
Ire 09.17.13	yeah can't believe people still like walt
Ire 09.17.13	oh my god some of you people really need to go outside. edit: that's enough for me today
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	Walt is a complicated character. He's become so buried in his own mythos that he doesn't really even know who he is anymore. I don't think he's one hundred percent evil because he still has those moments of clarity when he realizes just how far over the edge he's gone. Like when he broke down crying after calling Skyler. When he collapsed after Hank was killed. How he hesitated before calling down the death sentence on Jesse. He's evil that's for sure but he's also tortured. I still want him to die. But I want him to find redemption in death.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"Jane was an evil and manipulative bitch, she arrived and immediately threatened Walt. She was overdosing and Walt shouldn't have been in the house. I still stand by him for letting her die, just like she was going to let him die." lol. wut.
Trebor. 09.17.13	I want him to take the ricin, gun down the nazis and die in the process while saving Jesse and then Jesse writes a book about the whole thing called Breaking Bad and it's a number one best seller, and then they make a TV show based on it and Bryan Cranston plays the lead wow
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"Walt is a complicated character. He's become so buried in his own mythos that he doesn't really even know who he is anymore. I don't think he's one hundred percent evil because he still has those moments of clarity when he realizes just how far over the edge he's gone. Like when he broke down crying after calling Skyler. When he collapsed after Hank was killed. How he hesitated before calling down the death sentence on Jesse. He's evil that's for sure but he's also tortured." Another person who missed the point of Walt's call to Skyler.
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	I didn't miss the point. I know it was a fake call ya twat. But he broke down afterwards because he was reflecting on how he'd torn his family apart
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	When his whole original purpose was to provide for them after his death.
Trebor. 09.17.13	He was trying out for Crank Yankers
Thane 09.17.13	bryan cranston is so good, tears running down his eyes during that phone call but voice of steel
DrMaximus 09.17.13	Discussing this show really does bring out how fucked up some of you guys are [2] Also, I don't think the writers could have made the phone call any more obvious.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	idk I was confused the first time, and it's believable that he'd actually believe in what he said though you can tell the exact moment at which the penny drops for skylar
EaglesBecomeVultures 09.17.13	Live.Love.ASAC
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Its transgressive fiction, Hopefully the folks criticizing those that "defend" the motives of television/film characters don't ever become narrative or creative writers. Or I ask, how they would have chose for Walt to react at that moment, given his life was being threatened by some equally manipulative individual?
DrMaximus 09.17.13	If Jesse would have refused to cook with Walt, Walt would have turned him in.
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	I WILL FORCE YOU TO IMPROVE YOUR LIFE THROUGH THE COOKING OF METH
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Furthermore what's fucked up is that you're so far attached from reality that you believe people are "fucked up" in real life, because they defend the actions of a fake character within the world they are written in. I suppose if I told you that I worked in horror movies for a living you would think I actually kill people?
DrMaximus 09.17.13	Do you?
Azn. 09.17.13	team meth
DrMaximus 09.17.13	"how could he have really saved her?" You can't possibly be serious? Just roll her on her side. Why do think heroin users lie on their sides? It's so if they do vomit they don't choke on it. All Walt had to do was simply roll her back on her side.
Azn. 09.17.13	ok justifying walt letting jane die is kinda not a good thing to do lol that was legitimately a horrible thing to do, and jane's not super terrible. That scene before her death of her just crying with jesse and dreaming about where the money would take them was genuine
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Yea that was about as genuine as when she manipulated Jesse, called Walt and threatened his family and well being. Meanwhile Walt was only holding Jesse's money because he knew he would use it for drugs and probably die. No, Jane having good intentions as to where she was going to spend Jesse's money was genuine.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	Well, you don't act like that's the case.
Azn. 09.17.13	eh I'd like to think that jane wanted her and jesse to be happy together
Azn. 09.17.13	also lol at the people who think walt's actions are unjustifiable walt can redeem himself through his suffering and eventual death, whatever
eleventhsun 09.17.13	It seemed her main intention was to get rich quick because she manipulated the situation. Maybe because I watched the series 3 times through but I got that vibe.
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	Jane was bad news. However, she's not really relevant anymore.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"Furthermore what's fucked up is that you're so far attached from reality that you believe people are "fucked up" in real life, because they defend the actions of a fake character within the world they are written in. I suppose if I told you that I worked in horror movies for a living you would think I actually kill people?" Pretty lame reasoning. Defending an immoral action, real or not, is immoral.
Azn. 09.17.13	I watched Jane die
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	Damn lol, fixed.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	There's definitely more beyond the black and white you dub everything as I'm sure the writers took this into account.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	I don't get eleventhsun's reasoning. Basically seems to come down to "it's make believe, real world rules don't apply". Which is stupid.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Funny how you defend Jane's immoral actions? Again--this is transgressive fiction, that's the genre.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Why would I have to make these choices anywhere else besides in the Breaking Bad world?
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	Damn, guess we can't appreciate breaking bad anymore because we're not "transgressive fiction" experts. Oh well. And no one's defending Jane. We're just saying that letting her die is a horrible thing to do. Also, this might just be me, but when did she threaten Walt's life? I remember her threatening him, but not a death threat.
EaglesBecomeVultures 09.17.13	oh and brilliant deduction as always, andcas
eleventhsun 09.17.13	No, it's not that you can't appreciate Breaking Bad but your'e taking a genre that is specific in it's plot devices, and then bitching at fans because they choose the bad guy and acting like they are a bad person in real life?
anarchistfish 09.17.13	Comment about you was obviously tongue in cheek. All of these threads and all these discussions revolving around the show are meant to untangle these grey areas and complicated personalities, treating the show with the realism it portrays. But cos someone interprets it differently and doesn't agree with you on one particular aspect you throw a tantrum and make some comments about how they must be young & immature/you're old and intelligent. Fuck off.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Oh but I give my interpretation and then am dubbed as "fucked up" while they are some piece of moral standing. Fuck off.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	It's not weird to separate the real world from fantasy, and side with bad guys in movies. Has happened forever and Breaking Bad isn't the first to do so.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	Are you saying that I can't detect the moral ambiguities of the show? Of course I can, but some lines should never be crossed, and while Walt's motivations can sometimes be forgivable, his actions often aren't. Walt's not supposed to be a good guy, he's supposed to be sympathetic because takes no pleasure in what he does and is often even disgusted by his own actions.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	You justify what he did but then say in real life you'd never stand by it. That doesn't make sense.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	"But to most folks, it's not weird to separate the real world from fantasy and side with bad guys in fake movies. Has happened forever and Breaking Bad isn't the first to do so." Except this show is meant to portray deep and realistic personalities. So they should be treated as such. Very different to hope Darth Vader swipes all those naughty rebels with his light sabre.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	The whole point of programmes like these is that they immerse you. You're not meant to have to suspend your imagination.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	And even if you do treat it differently, patronising everyone because they see it differently is just being a cunt.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	There's a big difference between feeling sorry for someone and justifying their actions. Walt's role is obviously that of a sympathetic anti-hero.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that you seem to have a hard time with the fact that in this sort of fiction, often fans side with the bad choices and that doesn't make them a bad person. And Fish it does make sense. If this were a discussion on monster movies and I said I liked when Godzilla killed all of those people, would you be questioning my morals? I truly hope you go into every Scorsese film with that moral. You wont enjoy the flicks as much, but hey you can feel all warm and morally set!
eleventhsun 09.17.13	I don't always choose the anti-hero. I thought Tony Soprano was a despicable piece of shit but he's a fucking legendary television character that plenty of people sided with. I didn't shit down their throats and question them as people, that's whats cuntish if you ask me. Patronizing people who take everything seriously and preach from their high horse about a fucking television show? If that's cuntish then sign me up.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"If this were a discussion on monster movies and I said I liked when Godzilla killed all of those people, would you be questioning my morals? Give me a break, the point is that while sure it seems everyone gets the show and yes it's realistic, but its not real and I truly hope you go into every Scorsese film with that moral. You wont enjoy the flicks as much, but hey you can feel all warm and morally set!" Depends. If you liked it because it was exciting, scary and entertaining it would be fine, but I'd you liked it because you enjoyed watching all those people dying horribly then you'd be kinda weird.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	Well, I'm glad were dwelling on this.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	There's a big difference between enjoying something nasty in fiction and actually justifying it happening.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	I liked Tony Soprano because he was sympathetic, but I definitely didn't side with him most of the time. Same with Walt.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Well I guess it's weird to enjoy seeing the underdog, nerd who was shit on and given no credit in life break bad, become a drug kingpin, kill a bunch of scum-bag criminals worse then him and destroy his entire life in the process. Like I said, I make a living in the horror industry so you'd better believe I like watching people die horribly. Its frightening, exhilarating, shocking and taboo and I'm definitely not alone!
anarchistfish 09.17.13	yeah I've always hated horror films
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Either you like it or you don't. It's when you think that people would make the same decisions in real life, where you're completely misguided. It's about as bad as saying that all of the kids who bought that GTA5 at midnight would justify those acts in real life.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	"yeah I've always hated horror films" That's great, there are millions of people who love em.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	"It's when you think that people would make the same decisions in real life, where you're completely misguided." That's what these threads are about though. Treating it as if it were real. There's not much discussion value in whether or not you actually enjoyed them doing these things, so if you're gonna say something like that of course it's gonna be interpreted differently.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"There is nothing different between enjoying and justifying something nasty in fiction, that's the point. Either you like it or you don't. It's when you think that people would make the same decisions in real life, where you're completely misguided. It's about as bad as saying that all of the kids who bought that GTA5 at midnight would justify those acts in real life, just because they are choosing that narrative for a fake world." Honesty, a big part of what makes GTA V acceptable is that it's not meant to be taken seriously. It's over-the-top. The main point of GTA is not to question the characters' morality, it's to have destructive fun. Breaking Bad is centered around the characters and their actions in a very realistic and detailed manner. Honestly, your comparisons aren't really doing it.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	I think most people would be hard pressed to find a justification for godzilla trampling tokyo.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	The show feels real enough to approach the characters and their actions from a realistic point of view. Not doing so is kind of missing the point IMO.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	The reason I mentioned age, is because as you get older those fantasies become much more of an escape then a test of morals, because frankly at this point in my life, I don't need a television show to help me make moral choices in my real life.
Azn. 09.17.13	Isn't Breaking Bad just a wonderful show
anarchistfish 09.17.13	basically
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Because something is capable of portraying these extreme situations in a realistic fashion, it's now real life?
eleventhsun 09.17.13	And I'm done on this specific point, love discussing the show with the folks here though and I agree it's a wonderful show that spawns multiple outlooks from various stand points. What else can we argue about?!
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"The point of these types of stories is that little fantasy when you've become an older man/woman, been shit on forever, have a boring wife and family and decide to break free from those confines; generally by going nuts in a criminal way. The reason I mentioned age, is because as you get older those fantasies become much more of an escape then a test of morals, because frankly at this point in my life, I don't need a television show to help me make moral choices in my real life." I don't approach the show that way at all. Using breaking bad as escapism is questionable.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"And no Buzz, just because you don't get it doesn't make it any less valid of a comparison. Because something is capable of portraying these extreme situations in a realistic fashion, we should dismiss it that way? You the fact that most of this show is actually really unrealistic. If you think that Breaking Bad is realistic then I question the grasp you actually have on this world. I'm actually sort of shocked we're discussing this." By realistic I was talking about the character's personalities, motives and interactions.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Movies/television are escapism, whether you get it or not. Whether you like it or not, people have and always will use books, music, movies and television as escapism. And we don't all escape to the same place within the story, or escape from the same things in our lives.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	"What else can we argue about?!" music? no actually no. no
eleventhsun 09.17.13	bahaha yea as long we all like the same music, we're fine :P In seriousness, I meant what else can we discuss about this show? We have 2 more episodes and then we're fucked for television for the most part.
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	NO!
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	If anything, you're the one who seems not to understand that siding with a character and finding them sympathetic is not the same thing as justifying their actions.
anarchistfish 09.17.13	Well I've just started watching series 3 of The Walking Dead, but watching Breaking Bad at the same time just seems to highlight how much weaker the plot is in that show. Still a good programme though.
EaglesBecomeVultures 09.17.13	watch the wire, kids
anarchistfish 09.17.13	yeah I have that downloaded too
eleventhsun 09.17.13	That's no true at all, I understand all of these things quite well. Sympathy means having compassion and understanding for someones needs. Walt is a sympathetic character (to me) because his back story and original motivations, He cares for his family and even cares for Hank and Jesse. Tony Soprano, is not a sympathetic character for me. He is a shady criminal, a bad father, bad husband, misogynistic, abusive, hits women, hurts innocents and systematically becomes more of a prick. Like I said, you're just too one dimensional to figure it out. It's not something you can generalize. I agree with Walts choice with Jane, but also disagree with many of his individual choices. It's a highly complex show that gives you many different scenarios, actions and possible consequences that you can base your thoughts on.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	I don't even want to imagine a show like The Wire in the hands of someone like Buzz. No offence, but from the way you comprehend this conversation that is going to just mindfuck you. Omar FTW
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	Yeah, I've actually seen all of the Wire and it's one of my favorite shows ever.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	And if you'd be so kind as to point out the parts of this conversation that I miscomprehended, my feeble mind would be very grateful.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Sweet, are you going to shit on me for justifying Omar's actions? Even though it is light years more realistic than Breaking Bad?
Azn. 09.17.13	OK GUISE FUN IS OVER LAST TIME I CHECKED THIS WAS A MUSIC WEBSITE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MUSIC HERE NO SO STOP
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Not a problem, basically the entire conversation! Mostly the part when you thought that because I justified Walt backing out of saving Jane, that it was somehow suggestive that I would watch someone overdose on heroin and not call 911 in real life...
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	No, Omar is one of my favorite tv characters of all time.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	@azninva5in BB has some pretty immense sound design and the soundtrack usually suits the scenes to perfection.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"Not a problem, basically the entire conversation! Mostly the part when you thought that because I justified Walt backing out of saving Jane, that it was somehow suggestive that I would watch someone overdose on heroin and not call 911 in real life..." I never said that, you're just putting words in my mouth. I only said that siding with Walt on an action as immoral as that raised some questions on your sense of morality. I never once implied that you're as bad as Walt for justifying his actions.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	And I said that's it's completely unfair to question someones real life morals based on their thoughts on a tv show. Just like I wouldn't judge you as a person based on the music you like. So let's just give you what you want, I'm an immoral person because of that stupid choice on Breaking Bad! Solve this for you? I mean, you will never meet me, so there. I'm a heroin-overdose-enabler and have bad morals.
DrMaximus 09.17.13	Well, I'm glad were still dwelling on this.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	It's crazy how you accuse me of misunderstanding you just because I don't agree with you. "I'm right and if you disagree it's that you didn't understand what I said."
SpiritCrusher2 09.17.13	you're all retarded
eleventhsun 09.17.13	I didn't say anything with you about disagreeing and not once did I say anything even suggestive of that. I'm saying you're wrong to judge my moral value, based on my thoughts on a fictional show.
Azn. 09.17.13	you're all retarded [2]
Azn. 09.17.13	sigh once was good thread now not
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	lol, can't believe you're getting this angry because we have differing views on ethicality.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Sure thing.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	@azn At least Buzz and I are conversing something, that has plenty of room for critical thought and outside opinion all you can do is pop your head in and put a (2) on someone elses comment.
Azn. 09.17.13	if you read my earlier comments then my contribution should be very clear. lol but really why do you care so much to argue with people about a show on the internet, on sputnik
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	Final words: I'm sorry but you're thickheaded if you don't agree that applying your sense of morality to a situation, real or not, is indicative of your sense if morality.
Azn. 09.17.13	like you're taking this so seriously that I'm questioning your intelligence
Ire 09.17.13	"I didn't miss the point. I know it was a fake call ya twat. But he broke down afterwards because he was reflecting on how he'd torn his family apart" myea have to agree w this
eleventhsun 09.17.13	We're not arguing about the show, if you read my earlier comments I contributed plenty of conversation about the show.
Azn. 09.17.13	it's a bad thread because there are people arguing pointlessly about petty things
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Maybe some of us find an intellectual release in debating, would it be more valid if we were sitting in a room together? Anyways, what do you folks think about the next two? Think "Granite State" will be filler? I hate that word but you know what I mean. Often shows pull the biggest stunts out on their penultimate episode, but this show is anything but conventional.
klap 09.17.13	wow um i think he's just saying that agreeing with walt's justification for letting jane die is pretty lol. no personal attacks here guys
Trebor. 09.17.13	Saying anyone deserves to die is pretty fucked up honestly Walt has killed dozens of people, yet is still a role model to these people Jane was going to leave with Jesse and take him away from the meth business, biggest cunt on the planet and deserves to die OK
ZippaThaRippa 09.17.13	We all to deserve to die. One day, we'll all get what we deserve
eleventhsun 09.17.13	I guess that's why it's such a great show, it gives us many choices to either love or hate and it also has given me many reasons to agree and disagree with many different things that the entire cast has done throughout the series. I quite enjoyed cheering for Walk, Hank and Jesse at the same time!
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	but gaiz, it's an imaginary world. jane is not real. walt is not real. therefore they cannot die.
Trebor. 09.17.13	Saving an innocent human being how sophomoric
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Because that's what I said, you can bask in whatever glory you think you have but you're an idiot man. You have no critical thought and generalize everything because you can't figure simple things out. Keep grasping for straws but you aren't tricking the folks here into believing you've done anything but find yourself lost in a conversation a bit too tricky for you. @ Trebor We went over this, how was she innocent? She just showed up in Jesse's life, as soon as she hears he has a bunch of money she tries to blackmail Walt... All in hopes to have a better life from some guy's money that she just met. Yea our grasp of innocent is completely different. She was not innocent.
Trebor. 09.17.13	lol what
Trebor. 09.17.13	we're dealing with an intellectual here guys, bask in his glory
klap 09.17.13	yeah surprised he didn't just shoot the bitch sooner amirite
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"Yea because that's what I said, you can bask in whatever glory you think you have but you're an idiot man. You have no critical thought and generalize everything because you can't figure simple things out. Keep grasping for straws but you aren't tricking the folks here into believing you've done anything but find yourself lost in a conversation a bit too tricky for you. " at this point I'm just messing around, don't really give a fuck about being right or wrong anymore. I just don't understand why you have to be so incredibly hostile.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Walt said he had all the intentions of giving Jesse the money he just wouldn't until he got clean, if Jane cared so much she would have seen the reason in that, but she threatened Walt, also demanding that he NEVER talk to Jesse again. And I'm not trying to be hostile but you're being a jerk
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Yea keep joking neckbeard, at least I watched the show and figured it out.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	damn, you have an lsd molecule as a profile pic. better assume everything you say from now on is the truth because of how smart you clearly are.
Buzzkillr 09.17.13	"Not to mention, Walt said he had all the intentions of giving Jesse the money he just couldn't do it knowing he would overdose and die, if Jesse cleaned up he would get the money, if Jane cared so much she would have seen the reason in that, but she said FUCK YOU and threatened Walt, also demanding that he NEVER talk to Jesse again. This is season 2, so Walt isn't even that bad yet. Watch the show." a few posts ago you were all about "opinions" but now you're clearly making it sound like your "opinion" is the right one. kindly fuck off please
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Why are you being such a condescending prick? You couldn't debate so now you resort to things that have nothing to do with it. Yea, I get it. You disagree, I get it.
eleventhsun 09.17.13	Nope, nice try with the thought police BS..
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	you just can't get your point across, don't get mad at me for it. and it's your opinion that walt had little to no choice but to kill jane in the situation that he was in, but you're wrong.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	thought police? what the hell are you even talking about?
Cormano 09.18.13	sweet thread
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Yes it is my opinion that had little to no choice but to "TURN THE OTHER WAY" (not kill Jane) in the situation he was in. And I'm not wrong, you just don't agree, which is fine. And thought policing is what you've been doing to me this entire conversation, clearly trying to speak to me as if I'm dumb as a defence mechanism. Furthermore it's an Orwell reference.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	I've understood what you've been saying from the start, I just happen not to agree with it. and the thought police comment is just beside the point. and i've read 1984 fyi
eleventhsun 09.18.13	That's all you had to say, but you came at me with some attitude. That is some bullshit and nothing you will say is going to justify generalizing people like that. I can almost guarantee I provide more use and "moral" compassion on this planet on a daily basis then you will ever. So yes, you're wrong.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	The fact that you keep trying to make jabs at me speaks highly of your character, maybe we should question your morals. Seeing as the topic had been changed, but you thought you would try to take a crack at me to embarrass me for some self gratification from a bunch of strangers on the web... Maybe we should question what type of person you are? The type that brings up intellect and deep thought as a negative.
MeatSalad 09.18.13	quit crying at each other, fags
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	I'm having a very hard time believing that you would get this outraged at an online user who you don't know for calling you immoral. also: "I can almost guarantee I provide more use and "moral" compassion on this planet on a daily basis then you will ever. So yes, you're wrong." wow, I don't know you at all, but from having a short online argument with me, you sure seem to know a lot about me and what I do. I ain't even mad though, because unlike you, I don't give a fuck what some anonymous online user thinks of me.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"he type that uses my intellect, deep thought and critical assessment of fiction as a negative, the type that when faced with a formidable debate opponent they resort to juvenile attempts to discredit the person. Just saying." lol, modesty much?
MeatSalad 09.18.13	2modest
MeatSalad 09.18.13	also, "deep thought" LOL
WeepingBanana 09.18.13	"Yea keep joking neckbeard, at least I watched the show and figured it out." wow do you win a free dinner date with vince gilligan or something?
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	honestly, you seem quite insecure about your level of intelligence, constantly insulting mine and attempting to reaffirm your own.
Trebor. 09.18.13	yeah man this is just sad
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Dude, that's the entire point. You're so hypocritical, my goodness. You tried to generalize an entire group of people for siding with a fake criminal in a fictional television show and then when told they make different choices in the real world, you act like that's crazy? And I'm sad for seeing a problem with that? You can't say that everyone who sides with the bad guy in movies, is a sociopath or monster in real life. End of discussion.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	What's sad? People have different outlooks so it's sad? What he fuck is up with this group tonight? Its a television show you know. Do you guys do this with every crime show or movie?
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"You can't say that everyone who sides with the bad guy in movies, is a sociopath or monster in real life. End of discussion." god, I never said anything even remotely close to that. you're the one who's completely misunderstanding me. it just makes you slightly immoral. like the kind of person who would steal something if they knew they wouldn't get caught. there's different degrees of immorality. just because I said you were immoral, I'm not equating you to a real life Walter White. also the word you're looking for is intellectual, not intellect.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	That's not true at all! I would never steal from someone, I grew up with nothing and my family still has nothing. I would never take something from someone and never have. You keep making these sweeping statements but you are wrong.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I actually spent a year on the streets of downtown Toronto and never stole, not once. And I cheer for all the bad guys in horror movies. You're wrong.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	you're trolling right? it was an example to show that there's different degrees of morally wrong. I'd be more worried that you can't understand a simple example than me not understanding your warped opinions
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"I actually spent a year on the streets of downtown Toronto and never stole, not once. And I cheer for all the bad guys in horror movies. You're wrong." what the fuck are you talking about god
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	well see, I actually think it's less morally wrong to steal food when you're starving than to root for an imaginary bad guy. that might just be me tho. wait, it's not
eleventhsun 09.18.13	You're the warped one, you're wrong and no amount of spewing off at me is going to change it. You're completely inexperienced at life and it certainly shows in your warped and Orwellian opinions. Trolling? You literally just said that people who side with bad guys are the type likely to steal or do immoral things. Trolling? The fact people like you exist in this world is trolling on the rest of us.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	aaaand 400th post. also lern2reed pls
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"You literally just said that people who side with bad guys are the type likely to steal or do immoral things. " --->"it was an example to show that there's different degrees of morally wrong."
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	also your grammar sorta sucks. you say your canadian, right?
eleventhsun 09.18.13	You have utterly stupid opinions and should probably keep them to yourself outside of forums in fear of getting punched in the face. The fact that you keep comparing how someone receives fiction to how they act in real life situations makes you look like the biggest fool on this board, it's unreal.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Don't bother Andcas, this fucking piece of shit will call you a thief because you don't consider fake television shows as real life and can't possibly differentiate between the two.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	I'm having a blast, and I hope your are too. and don't worry, this conversation will have strictly no bearing on how I behave in the future.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"Don't bother Andcas, this fucking piece of shit will call you a thief because you don't consider fake television shows as real life and can't possibly differentiate between the two." lol'd
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Yea I wouldn't be laughing.
DrMaximus 09.18.13	"if walt never showed up who's fault would it be that jane died? it was a freak chance she happened to overdose as soon as he walked in if he hadn't been there she would've died of her own stupidity" Once again, andcas has failed to grasp the full content of a scene. Walt was shaking Jesse to try and wake him up, in doing so, the shaking accidentally pushed Jane on her back.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Or like everyone failed to grasp that Jane was threatening Walt with a fate worse than death (he's dying of cancer)
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	i'm sorry you don't have the mental capacity to apply real-life ethics to imaginary scenarios. it's much more immersive and rewarding than being like "this is fake and I realize that, which makes me smart"
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Yea sure pal, I already stated that my real-life ethics would have made me choose differently but we've established that you're a moron who can't read, so there's that.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	honestly feel kind of bad for you so i'll let you take this one. till next time
DrMaximus 09.18.13	Till we meet again.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	You have no credibility to say anything to me you fascist loser. I don't feel bad for you or anyone who calls people immoral and says they're thieves, for cheering for the bad guy. Shove your ididic opinions up your ass, tell your high school friends that tomorrow and see if they don't laugh at you.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	please, take the victory. I don't want it. you've clearly tried way harder than me so I want you to have it. TAKE IT also I am not a fascist, just wanted to make that clear
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"anyone who calls people immoral and says they are probably thieves, for cheering for the bad guy." sorry but this sounds like it was worded by a 10 year old and I can't stop laughing
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I took the victory before you even spoke to me, you can't give me something I took and that you did not once have. Just wanted to make that clear. Just because you agree with yourself, doesn't make you any less of a questionable human being. You're just like those politicians that try to ban violent video games and rap music because it must make the audience immoral.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	I insist you take it. really, please. do it for the children.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I'm not losing any sleep over your assessment of my typing skills. Your whole argument was vomit worthy, so I can have a pass.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	shouldn't you be working to provide for your family rather than spend your time arguing with a half-wit?
eleventhsun 09.18.13	You lost a long time ago, keep up the pointless jabs.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	I forgive you for misunderstanding my posts.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	yes. I finally won. I really just wanted you to say that. I can finally go to sleep now.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	man, I cannot stop laughing at that post.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I'm certain I told you to fuck yourself plenty of times.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	and each one was sweeter than the last
eleventhsun 09.18.13	You turned a simple debate into a war. No one in real life would take you serious. They would laugh at my jokes, listen to my opinions and you would be some fucking empty loser in the corner. Straight fact. You can say that's untrue, but it's not. Its 100% fact. You know it and I don't need to convince sputnik of it. You gotta live with being you, not me."
Ire 09.18.13	guys i figured it out. eleventhsun is tucker! TUCKER TUCKERRRRR
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	damn man, you're pretty insecure. also i'm just bored so I keep reigniting this thing but you actually seem pretty damn invested in arguing with me
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Jesus Ire, you couldn't be more wrong. You didn't pay attention to anything I said. I'm not Tucker. That was me yelling Tucker. I'm the guy. I'm theee guy.
ShadowRemains 09.18.13	you people should get out more
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"They would laugh at my jokes, listen to my opinions and you would be some fucking empty loser in the corner. Straight fact. You can say that's untrue, but it's not. Its 100% fact. You know it and I don't need to convince sputnik of it. You gotta live with being you, not me." I would like to let everyone know that I am laughing at this post, as should all of you. because damn, you've really got some deep-rooted issues with your personal image man
Ire 09.18.13	123 andyremains but that prob includes me so bi. final edit: nah you're tucker cos you're dumb and keep digging this hole deeper n deeper so
eleventhsun 09.18.13	You mistake insecurity with pride, ego and confidence. I'm not ashamed with anything except that you keep trying to force your fascist beliefs on me and act like you're not what you are. Would you like to add each other on some non anonymous social network and see who's insecure?
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"you keep trying to force your fascist beliefs on me" what? also http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/saythattomyface.jpg
eleventhsun 09.18.13	You're not impressing anyone buzzkillr, I know you're trying really hard but they don't care about our argument. This is you and I, you're not getting the support of the community so stfu and stop trying to project what you aren't. Yea, that was all true keep laughing but you know it's not actually funny. You're a weak minded, weak willed, very un- evolved know it all, who lost an argument and then resorted to this simple attempt to belittle me, all because you couldn't handle my opinion.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	well, at least i improved my post count
toxin. 09.18.13	wtf happened here jesus
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	and yeah, it really is funny to see how seriously you're taking this when all I'm doing is bating you because I'm bored
eleventhsun 09.18.13	That was an invitation to facebook where we can see who each other are, not a fight invitation you dumbass. Why did I make the mistake of thinking you would understand a simple statement.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Oh now I'm serious and you're bored? Fuck off, your'e the one who's serious and I'm just bored...
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	damn, you really have some issues with body weight and fascism. anyway it's been fun but I've gotten all the enjoyment I could out of this tirade. I don't imagine we'll speak to each other again.
Buzzkillr 09.18.13	"Fuck off, your'e the one who's serious and I'm just bored..." c'mon, you know that's not true. anyway, thanks for making me laugh one last time. farewell, dear friend.
Deviant. 09.18.13	Started reading from where I left off last night and got bored. THIS FUCKING THREAD
toxin. 09.18.13	/r/breakingbad is where it's at
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I sure hope we don't speak to each other again.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	double post
ShadowRemains 09.18.13	"123 andyremains but that prob includes me so bi. final edit: nah you're tucker cos you're dumb and keep digging this hole deeper n deeper so" nah not you ramy, i think you and i both know who i'm talking about
Apollo 09.18.13	late to the party but I also spent the whole episode on the edge of couch, jaw open. Absolutely fucking incredible.
JokineAugustus 09.18.13	Oh look, a thread
none 09.18.13	whoever eleventhsun and buzzkillr r...u r sum annoyin pieces of shit
Apollo 09.18.13	I remember watching the first episode air 5 years ago with my roommate and knowing this show was going to be epic.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	@Ire No.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	@Apollo I had the same feeling. I was unsure what to make of it at first, I felt like it was going to be like those series they used to have on showcase in the 90s. Like all art-house and stuff, had no clue it would be this immense crime epic. The scene with Jesse and the body in the bath tub, sold me for life.
Deathconscious 09.18.13	eleventhsun singlehandedly raped this thread with his retarded comments.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I don't understand Adolf, I'm confused. How is it retarded to be able to differ fictional crime stories from real life and be able to enjoy the atrocities committed by fake characters, while being disgusted if those acts occurred in real life? I'm sure that's reasonable.
Deathconscious 09.18.13	drop the pseudo-intellectual act, we'll all be better off.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Thanks for the solid input. Drop the pseudo-dickhead act and give us a real thought on the topic. I'm not retarded and nothing I said was retarded. I have every right to enjoy the show as I please and discuss it like a human being. You realize many people cheer for Walt, and they aren't fucking retarded. How about entering a conversation like a grown up and not acting like a degenerate and insulting me just because you don't agree.
EaglesBecomeVultures 09.18.13	eleventh have you been sitting at your computer for twelve some fucking odd hours or what worst thread 2013
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I've been sitting at my computer for probably 5 hours. I'm sick in bed, why does that matter? There are folks here with 40,000 posts, I'm surely not the first one to spend an extended amount of time here?
eleventhsun 09.18.13	This buzz guy can sit here just as long as me and generalize entire groups of people, make stupid and discriminating accusations about people, keep coming back and arguing probably posting more times then myself, and all of you turn on me as if I was arguing with myself? I didn't say anything rude or insulting about entire groups of people based on their opinions of breaking bad. But yea, shit on me.
MeatSalad 09.18.13	we're just having a giggle at how much of a tryhard you are
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I get it Meatsalad, I deserve that, I took the bait and took it too far. But to act like I was alone in my argument is a bit unfair, especially considering I changed the subject on multiple occasions, to be met with more condescending bs.
Deathconscious 09.18.13	ugh just shut up.
Ignimbrite 09.18.13	holy shit please stop
Nikkolae 09.18.13	"deep thought" moar like Deep Throat amirite? seriously why dont we just ignore him and he will go away...
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Then stop fucking saying shit to me, pretty simple. Stop stirring it up you useless twats. I tried to change the subject back to your original topic multiple times, stfu and get over it. Stop ganging up on me or it will never fucking stop. I wasn't arguing with myself. Fuck you guys.
MeatSalad 09.18.13	just simmer down
Deathconscious 09.18.13	"Then stop fucking saying shit to me" lol
Deviant. 09.18.13	"Then stop fucking saying shit to me, pretty simple. Stop stirring it up you useless twats. I tried to change the subject back to your original topic multiple times, stfu and get over it. Stop ganging up on me or it will never fucking stop. I wasn't arguing with myself. Fuck you guys." Pipe down or have a ban, what's it going to be?
Nikkolae 09.18.13	DEVIANT LAYING DOWN THE LAW
eleventhsun 09.18.13	I was working on it, but sheep mentality dictates that everyone gangs up on the one person. Regardless of what they're saying, I admitted I helped fuck up the conversation flow and that I was wrong, so why can't others drop the bullshit and I'll drop it? Pretty easy.
Trebor. 09.18.13	we are one we are sheeple
MeatSalad 09.18.13	waiting on you to drop it, pretty easy :3
eleventhsun 09.18.13	You know what, you don't need to ban me, I'll leave. I don't need to be part of a community that has it's moderators observe a group gang up on a person for sharing an opinion on a public forum, stir up a situation and turn it into a complete war. Deviant, as a moderator I believe you try your best. I realize you are to be unbiased and try to make the community enjoyable for EVERYONE. You didn't show that. I don't even believe you read the entire thread. But, what's the point? I've tried on multiple occasions to be an addition to the site, as I have generally enjoyed the discussion and find the reviews to be superior to most sites. Most of my post history consists of me praising the reviews I enjoy, discussing music I like and learning about new music from the more knowledgable users. I usually go out of my way to compliment people on their talent. But unfortunately the fact that I expressed an unpopular opinion about this television series, I'm apparently some scum-bag hell bent on ruining everyone's fun. The unfortunate thing is, I would have been an honest and valuable member of this community had I not been met with this gang mentality. I have plugged and advertised the site for years and swore by it to many friends of mine, who now visit regularly. As a matter of fact, I was just showing the site to the music editor at the magazine I work at (one of the largest in the world) and going on about the quality of review work in comparison to ours. There seems to be something truly wrong with the way this community works. Every time someone who isn't part of the "gang" shares their opinion, they get ganged up on by those trying to fit in. I mean, fine I suppose if you want to have an unpopular opinion, the herd will follow (and yes Trebor, sheeple is a great description of you) but what I don't expect is the mod to side with the obviously out of line group. Provide me one example of me breaking any rules or guidelines, or doing anything different or more excessive then the person antagonizing me? Show me an example of where my argument was in violation of anything, while his was totally fine? Or is it that I disagreed with the "popular" kids and that's a no? Anyways, nobody gives a shit anyway. Have your boys club, you don't want me here. No problem, you basically just made it clear that sputnikmusic is a place that discriminates and allows for cyber bullying on members for sharing opinions. Message received. I apologize for trying to talk about my favourite show!
MeatSalad 09.18.13	now you're just on a whole other level of wtflol
eleventhsun 09.18.13	Point proven.
zxlkho 09.18.13	oh my god what happened in this thread
MeatSalad 09.18.13	eleventhsun likes to pretend he's superior to all of us by wall of texting every chance he gets in response to half-assed 3-5 word posts lmfao
zxlkho 09.18.13	Well I'm sure he's the first person on the internet to ever do that. Shame on him.
eleventhsun 09.18.13	As I said, a place for discrimination and bullying. Never once did I say I was superior to anyone, clearly I'm not on the level with you folks and am not welcome to share my thoughts and opinions on this public forum.
Deathconscious 09.18.13	this went from annoying to kind of funny.
MeatSalad 09.18.13	saviors who have crossed the ages, seek to find the proper pages
zxlkho 09.18.13	I've only read like 4 of your posts in this thread but you sound exactly like a guy from another forum I post on.
zxlkho 09.18.13	Anyway, that episode was incredible, but some of you plebs really need to watch The Wire before calling it "the best episode in the history of television" or something.
MeatSalad 09.18.13	i just really didn't expect hank and gomez to die like that. especially gomez, he was literally dead as soon as the episode started
zxlkho 09.18.13	They had like 8 guys shooting at them. How could they have possibly lived?
Deathconscious 09.18.13	"How could they have possibly lived?" its breaking bad, it could have happened.
toxin. 09.18.13	i need to watch the wire, prob the sopranos and mad men too seems like the main shows people put on bb's level
Deviant. 09.18.13	"As I said, a place for discrimination and bullying. Never once did I say I was superior to anyone, clearly I'm not on the level with you folks and am not welcome to share my thoughts and opinions on this public forum." I'm not telling you to shut up because you indulged in a discussion, I'm telling you because the majority of your comments within were condescending in nature. Which is far from being a crime, but while other people have disputed your theories and ideas (the "ganging up" you're complaining about), you're the one who won't shut up about it and are continuing to impress an argument upon everyone. You seem like a relatively intelligent person, so surely you would understand the merits, and convenience, or removing one person from the equation, rather than an entire group. My comment was simply designed to get you to move on, because all you're doing is beating a dead horse. If you don't understand that concept, well... I don't care
jtswope 09.18.13	Yeah def watch The Wire. It's worth it.
ShadowRemains 09.18.13	">insert eleventhsun's novel of a post here" yes please do leave...that was ridiculous
Ignimbrite 09.18.13	The Wire is classic and all but still
Nikkolae 09.18.13	"Walt is Malcolm." INCEPTION ok can everybody just chill out and enjoy the show and take everything said here with a goddamn grain of salt?
JokineAugustus 09.18.13	I don't see how they will tie this in to Firefly
JokineAugustus 09.18.13	Some of the worst posts ever in here.
avonbarksdale221 09.18.13	From a pure entertainment standpoint, Breaking Bad probably exceeds The Wire. No other TV show has pumped me full of adrenaline like BB has. Does it have the depth, gritty realism or social commentary of The Wire? Probably not, but by the time it has finished it should be held in the same/similar regard as The Wire, because this show is redefining modern television.
Azn. 09.18.13	Holy fuck. Thread is more dramatic than Breaking Bad itself.
MrSirLordGentleman 09.18.13	WTF happened in this thread?
Azn. 09.18.13	eleventhsun was being retarded to the point of having dev lay down the law
Crymsonblaze 09.19.13	i dunno, seemed a bit harshish, but who am i to judge
Crymsonblaze 09.19.13	besides the teen beauty pageant at the town fair every year
Satellite 09.19.13	"sputnikmusic is a place that discriminates and allows for cyber bullying on members for sharing opinions" internet life isn't fair!
MisterTornado 11.11.13	finally worked my way up to this episode after a lot of late nights glued to the screen completely shell shocked
DarkRedFloyd 11.11.13	it was indeed the best episode of the series. and you're almost at the amazing finale
Judio! 11.11.13	Agreed, absolute best episode of the show. So much shit goes down in such little time.
DropdeadWHA 11.17.13	R.I.P
Snake. 07.28.15	bump
SpiritCrusher2 07.29.15	I was just talking with my friend about the new season of True Detective, how there are just two episodes left and how they're going to pull it off, so we remembered the last few amazing episodes of this brilliant show, starting with this one. now I want to watch all of it again
Deathconscious 07.29.15	how does the second season of True Detective compare with the first?
MeatSalad 07.29.15	"now I want to watch all of it again" do it. i've watched the whole series like 4 times and it's always worth the ride
Sevengill 07.29.15	Sannet was really sweet.
SpiritCrusher2 07.29.15	"how does the second season of True Detective compare with the first?" a lot of people are disappointed, but at this point I'm enjoying it as much as the first season. I think the key in enjoying it is not comparing it to the first one. there are a lot of differences, but quality-wise it's (almost) as good as the first one. first few episodes were kinda slow, but it's getting better and better as you go further and there are 2 more episodes left, the pain of waiting for the next one is becoming real. plus Colin Farrel is amazing in it. definitely worth watching