BigPleb: Alien: Resurrection

BigPleb 05.11.13	Even Sigourney Weaver can't save this, damn.
cagedescending 05.11.13	easily the worst of the main franchise even 3 shits on it
BigPleb 05.11.13	Acting is woeful and the plot...well.
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Lol lebowski watch this you'll get some laughs and save an hour and a half http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/mjtv/ss/31687-alien-resurrection It's a make fun review of the movie
dammets 05.11.13	Shit movie but sigourney weaver is hot in it
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Not really...
BigPleb 05.11.13	And what the fuck is Winona Ryder doing in this? She serves as a bit of eye candy but she doesn't even look that hot.
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Leb check out that link
BigPleb 05.11.13	Will do man.
nononsense 05.11.13	Prometheus is my favorite out of all.
theacademy 05.11.13	typical whedon script
BigPleb 05.11.13	Oh man, really?
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Well it's about a bunch of space thieves sooo firefly anyone?
Shuyin 05.11.13	i really like this franchise and the alien character but this movie is one major fuck up the AvP movies are worse tho
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Yeah that fun yreview I posted pretty much says that he stole his own ideas haha
BigPleb 05.11.13	Aliens is best for me.
cagedescending 05.11.13	i've started to love Prometheus too
grish 05.11.13	what, this is like listening to the first two weezer albums and then saying 'hey, i think i'll listen to the rest because i just need more weezer,' and then being surprised by how much they suck. but who the fuck does that
BigPleb 05.11.13	Is it though, really?
BigPleb 05.11.13	Aliens is entertaining as fuck, overrated my ass haha. Alien is classic, though.
grish 05.11.13	i dunno, i haven't even seen the originals so what the fuck do i know
nononsense 05.11.13	The first AVP was good.
BigPleb 05.11.13	So, why are you here?
BigPleb 05.11.13	That's dumb, but whatever opinions.
cagedescending 05.11.13	"prometheus was shit" nah "aliens... absolutely no suspense" lmao
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Alien and Aliens are both classics The score in aliens is sooo good
nononsense 05.11.13	Out of all the Alien/Predator movies either the original alien or predators with Adrien Brody are my favorite.
BigPleb 05.11.13	Alien is atmospheric yeah, but it is boring in a few segments. Can't decide whether Predator is better than both, though.
cagedescending 05.11.13	alien and alien 3 tied for best score
grish 05.11.13	>So, why are you here? uh
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Adrian Brody didn't need to do the batman voice so stupid but I'd rate it like Alien Aliens Predator Alien 3 Prometheus AVP 1 Resurrection Avp2
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Alien 3 is underrated IMO gets too much shit
cagedescending 05.11.13	Prom is better than a3 except for the score which is far less interesting
BigPleb 05.11.13	Decent ranking tbh. But does any Alien film have a 'GET TO THE CHOPPAAAAAAAAA'
nononsense 05.11.13	Yeah that's pretty accurate.
BigPleb 05.11.13	It's down there, fucking sucked.
cagedescending 05.11.13	but then you think about it some more and it gets betta
cagedescending 05.11.13	nope
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Doesn't have as much problems as resurrection and at least Prometheus is visually amazing
cagedescending 05.11.13	list the problems you guys have w/ it
cagedescending 05.11.13	wow an hour gonna watch it but i bet i can predict some of his critiques. does he mention the rolling ship? guy pearce's seemingly pointless old man makeup? mappers getting lost? david touching everything? what the goo does?
Rowan5215 05.11.13	Yeah Prometheus rules even if the story isn't exactly the strongest. Also, Alien 3 is fucking great I don't understand the hate for it.
cagedescending 05.11.13	fucking christ that accent why
cagedescending 05.11.13	ugh i don't know if i can take 57 minutes of this cunty unfunny accent but i guess i'll have to in the name of defending truth
BigPleb 05.11.13	Fucking hell, Ripley is an unlikable fuck in this movie. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
Rowan5215 05.11.13	Taking one for the team Cage good work. Made it through like 20 seconds of that video.
BigPleb 05.11.13	The underwater scene, how long did they hold their breath for?!
cagedescending 05.11.13	wow only his first point and it's stupid he says that we discover that the engineers created humans in the title sequence, making the rest of the film pointless as the characters try to reach the same conclusion except a) it isn't clear whether that's earth or just another planet they're seeding b) nor is it clear if the dna is actually turning directly into a human strand c) there are other questions raised during the rest of the film anyway (WHY did they do it? what created THEM? etc.) to keep the intrigue going
cagedescending 05.11.13	also he is clearly putting that accent on like are you serious british people aren't that horrible
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	Yeah MikeJ does it better in reviews I hope he does Prometheus soon
ViralOblivion 05.11.13	http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/mjtv/ss/31687-alien-resurrection This is better cage and its actually funny and it's a real British person lol
Rowan5215 05.11.13	British accents are fine, it's just the way he fucking stretches out every syllable like he's trying to sound exciting or something, it's ear-wrenching.
cagedescending 05.11.13	wow second point is fucking stupid too who'd have guessed if the guy had been paying attention he'd have noticed that Weyland is fabulously, stupendously rich (he's terraforming Mars, as you can see in the background of his holorecording thing during mission briefing) and also incredibly passionate and motivated about finding the big answers. so naturally it's not a big leap to conclude that he's paid some of these crew ridiculous amounts of money to do this thing and for those amounts of money they're willing to put aside reservations about travelling into the unknown. i mean at this point space travel is fairly common anyway. dialogue =/= horrible NEXT
cagedescending 05.11.13	it seems like he didn't want Shaw and Holloway cottoning onto the fact that they were essentially guinea pigs and that, if they found what he wanted, he would assume control and override whatever scientific wishes they had or procedures they might want to go through. they might also decide it was too dangerous and leave or try to contain the situation and ruin everything for him. so he didn't reveal his presence until David, Vickers and himself were within grasping distance of their goal and therefore S&H had no time to ponder over why he deemed this mission so critical that he'd bring himself along failing that, maybe it was just his old man idea of a laff
cagedescending 05.11.13	next dumb point: Weyland is on the verge of death (like, days away) and has this exorbitant pile of money that isn't going to go to a heir (he hates Vickers and ol' Davey is a robutt so he sure don't need it) so of course it's not outside the realms of possibility that he'd burn a substantial chunk of his wad on a crazy mission that may have a tiny possibility of extending his life
Trebor. 05.12.13	That one character is super scared about fucking everything and won't take his helmet off, yet later in the movie he's interacting with obviously sketchy as fuck goo creatures
BigPleb 05.12.13	The death of the alien in this movie was pretty badass, still sucks though.
cagedescending 05.12.13	"it's about as pointless as space jockey's leaving a map of a weapons facility hoping humans one day find it for no good reason other than to further the plot" i just illustrated why there's a point to it and it doesn't actually harm the film in anyway so where's the problem as for the jockeys leaving maps, they didn't just leave them lying about. those are paintings by ancient people, of what they saw. they probably saw the jockey activating their high-tech world map thingos amongst themselves and noticed a recurring pattern of stars
cagedescending 05.12.13	"That one character is super scared about fucking everything and won't take his helmet off, yet later in the movie he's interacting with obviously sketchy as fuck goo creatures" a) he's a biologist so living animals (especially of completely unprecedented alien species) would interest him b) massive dead alien bodies would be scarier than a slightly comical-looking worm thing that's only as long as your arm c) he's trying to impress the other guy
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	Every alien thread turns into andcas arguing about Prometheus lol but yea I don't hate it like most people do but I wouldn't buy it or watch it anytime soon
Trebor. 05.12.13	You'd think as a biologist he would know that a great deal of animals will rip your fucking face off and should be dealt with lightly
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	It's funny when people saw the trailers they were like RIDLEY SCOTT CAN DO NO WRONG and in reality he's made plenty of shit movies lol Hannibal and Robin Hood were awful
BigPleb 05.12.13	Hannibal was like 'oooo, as long as Anthony Hopkins is good we win' ugh.
cagedescending 05.12.13	except i'm not 'making up excuses' this is stuff that Ridley et al were hoping you'd intuitively pick up on but seemingly was too subtle and i'm not fanboy, i was fairly disappointed the first time around but unlike you i was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt instead of watching a bunch of critiques online and letting them think for me then calling it a day, warm and snug in my superior, bitingly-insightful and majority-backed opinion!
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	Which is sad cause the cast was great on paper
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	I fucking hate Julianne Moore fuck her
cagedescending 05.12.13	"You'd think as a biologist he would know that a great deal of animals will rip your fucking face off and should be dealt with lightly" yea and he was reckless so it got him killed. like i said, he was trying to impress his new pal. hubris (that thing Prometheus in the stories did woah!) is basically what kills nearly everyone in the film
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	Me and andcas have feuded before but even I agree with andcas it was just very messy Aand why didn't she just move to the side to avoid getting crushed? Lol like the characters themselves were dumb and everything was too convienent
Hyperion1001 05.12.13	its joss weadons best feature length movie think about that for a second
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	You hate avengers that much?
cagedescending 05.12.13	knew the rolling ship would get brought up again, pay more attention. if you watch closely, both of them actually do make a big veer to the left at one point, except it's only a couple of frames long so it's easy to miss. unfortunately the ship starts keeling over in that direction seconds later anyway and they don't realise until it's too late
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	How is avengers worse than alien 4?
cagedescending 05.12.13	clear cut reasons like the ones i've refuted systematically so far? and that this other guy wants to pop the engineers prosthetics with a needle? wow damn a race of superior beings has bulging muscles what a great point 2/10 movie. half of the 'sins' in that second video are literally jokes
cagedescending 05.12.13	yes the film should have had 3 hours of dialogue you're right andcas
FearThyEvil 05.12.13	I thought it was alright. Nothing spectacular but still okay.
cagedescending 05.12.13	more stupid points in the second video! a) Holloway is depressed because yeah, they may have found evidence of an extraterrestrial civilisation, but none of them are alive nor have been for apparently 2000 years. he's established as a rash, impatient character and while some of us may be content with what they did find, he isn't. because he's impatient. b) he didn't notice/care about David's finger because HE WAS SMASHED. details tend to.... escape you
cagedescending 05.12.13	ah de strawmenz :D
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	"yes the film should have had 3 hours of dialogue you're right andcas" What does this have to do with anything? It was a poor script it was a completely different movie until Lindelof came in and he ruined it which is saying something cause I watched lost
cagedescending 05.12.13	because he's complaining about things like he wants them to be plainly, explicitly stated (such as through expositional dialogue) instead of having to think a bit and give the people that made the film just a scrap of credit or benefit of the doubt
cagedescending 05.12.13	"gotta love how shaw can magically run and leap incredible distances" they're normal distances, exaggeration "with only a few staples keeping her stomach from literally bursting open" strong futuristic medical tech is strong! as are the painkillers she's continually pumping into herself!!
cagedescending 05.12.13	but they do act like normal human beings and more or less consistently (except for when circumstances change, which, y'know', can make people act differently) and the fact that a lot of them are assholes is the whole point. they're arrogant and rash and full of hubris. humans suck! which is why the engineers wanted to return to earth and wipe us out. they saw we were a failed experiment not worthy of their image and intended to hit the reset button and try again
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	Here's the main problem with the movie in Alien the characters felt like genuine people you would actually meet Prometheus characters felt like written cliched characters
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	All he can do at this point is make things up
cagedescending 05.12.13	are you sure you're not parroting that from videos you've seen? they're fine and behave realistically. Yanek has a lot of subtle flavour. Vickers has very strong motivations for being the way she is and the relationship between her, David and her father is great. David in particular is a great character and an interesting take on AI that subverts the expectation that he'll be either evil like Ash or good like Bishop
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	I didn't even watch those videos but no they didn't feel genuine they felt like written characters they didn't in Alien and even Aliens
cagedescending 05.12.13	"yeah that leap she made as the ship emerged was totally over a normal sized gap" yeah... yeah it was. it's like a couple of metres and she barely makes it and winces in pain as she hits the edge "oh it worked because it's the future and the staples must be some new super kind." pretty much yeah! think about how much we've advanced medically in the last hundred years, then project that forward. "no one even seemed to care when she conveniently discovers weyland and they don't even ask what the fuck happened to her. david doesn't even give the slightest fuck about what happened to the alien baby and they just go about their business to the ship like everything is fine despite half the crew is dead among all the other crazy shit that went down" they literally just discovered the first ever living, breathing sentient alien. first contact. priorities, man.
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	Tat doesn't mean you IGNORE that plot point all together
cagedescending 05.12.13	"I didn't even watch those videos but no they didn't feel genuine they felt like written characters they didn't in Alien and even Aliens" repeating it doesn't make it any truer especially when i've pointed out that the Prom characters are pretty interesting for a few reasons
cagedescending 05.12.13	actually that it what it means. the two surgeons she gave a rough-housing to decide it's not worth the trouble to hunt her down so they report to Weyland instead and he says "fuck it! big question answering time, let's deal with that mess later if we have time or are still alive at all" admittedly this is one case where just one little snippet of dialogue would have made it substantially clearer, but this is the climax of the film and every single second is precious so they wanted to maintain momentum. they say as much in the commentaries on the blu ray, it's the same reason a couple of other scenes from around there were cut down or omitted. i do think they could have afforded to put just a 5-second or so scene there to make it go smoother though
cagedescending 05.12.13	"janek does fuck all the entire movie except for leaving the biologist who's afraid of dead things and a geologist who gets lost to go screw vickers because why not right?" it seems fairly clear that he has no particularly warm feelings towards the two, and he probably doesn't think it's too big a deal to leave them when the place is (seemingly) deserted anyway "then he just decides with the rest of the minorities in the prometheus that it's time for a suicide mission so they kamikaze." he stated in the scene before that he's not really interested in the scientific or philosophical bullshit of the mission and just wants to fly the ship. Shaw convinces him that the engineer ship is a grave threat and so he decides that he's gonna do the right thing and sacrifice himself. if he doesn't stop it, he's basically dooming the entire race anyway so what the hell right! "Vickers doesn't even have a personality...she just pops up at random...mission she doesn't care about and has no faith or stake it" she has massive daddy issues and is sorely bitter at Weyland for being disappointed in not having a son to pass his inheritance onto. this drives EVERYTHING she does in the film. she wants to prove to her dad that she's capable. and, if anything happens to him, she's there to take over the mission and direct it more to her will "a bunch of idiots who are supposed to be the best in their field" they're a bunch of people crazy enough to fly out into the unknown for years on basically a hunch just for money, they're not necessarily the best nor is it ever stated they are. these are just the people who are willing to take the risk
InfamousGrouse 05.12.13	yea it always makes me laugh when people claim the sequel is better than alien complete pile of horseshit
cagedescending 05.12.13	"like one where you're shown the space jockey replying to david as to the reason he ripped off his head and went ape shit." they cut that because they wanted to make the engineers more mysterious and ominous, less human. explained in the commentary. what's still in there is enough to deduce why he went ballistic: a) his crew and ship before the incident were already on their way to earth to reseed and b) he sees first hand the suckitude of humans in the way they treat shaw, and the how Weyland's first thought is to greedily ask for more life "explaining how janek seems to know so much about that the facility is a weapon station along with his motivation for sacrificing himself." yeah that definitely sets it up a little better but it's hardly necessary. you can still figure it out from what's in the theatrical "they even left out crucial dialogue that makes millburn and fifield not seem like such idiots for every course of action that led up to them getting lost and then dying." just because you're a biologist or geologist doesn't mean you're completely level-headed, nor incapable of losing your cool on a completely alien planet parsecs from home in the company of strangers. doesn't take an extra line or two of dialogue to determine that
klap 05.12.13	i hate these type of circular arguments so i didn't read the rest of this thread but: "he says that we discover that the engineers created humans in the title sequence, making the rest of the film pointless as the characters try to reach the same conclusion" ^^^is this supposed to be a criticism? like this happens in movies all the time. it's called dramatic irony
cagedescending 05.12.13	"this is never implied once in the movie" ...except by the fact that he leaves them and walks away even when they are clearly still concerned. he thinks they're kinda idiots too and so he's not to fussed about not watching them 24/7 "he registers an unknown life form moments before deserting them" except before he leaves it fades out and he determines it's a glitch. he was wrong in that assumption but given that we've just established that he doesn't really care too much about these two, he's not concerned about being inquisitive. which is also consistent with what he does later on in the film when he says he doesn't give a shit about Shaw's and Weyland's 'answers'. seems he's a man more concerned with revering the past (christmas tree, Stephen Stills' squeezebox) than forging ahead into the future. consistent character! "you mean "you gotta stop this ship now!" uh why? "because"" by that point Yanek has already surmised that this goo is a weapon, and as Shaw clearly points out, the ship is headed for earth so... what's unclear? "seeing as it'll give our characters some purpose for even being in the movie" why does every single bit character need to have a specific plot-critical thing to do in the film? if anything, THAT would be cliche and artifical. this is just nitpicking taken to the extreme and some vague stupid point that you're clinging to because a couple of really smart-sounding youtube guys said it "another thing that is never implied into the movie or even briefly touched on" except it constantly is, through direct dialogue and interactions. were you fucking asleep? the part near the beginning where Weyland calls David the closest thing he has to a son is a goddamn huge tipoff just by itself
cagedescending 05.12.13	"except she doesn't do anything" she does plenty of things what the fuck even is this supposed to mean "she doesn't care about the mission and states it" she doesn't care about WEYLAND'S agenda. if something happens to him, she can take over and possibly turn a profit on alien technology or specimens. maybe she could help make sure things went badly by sabotaging everything! "without any motivation or passion other than money" why do they need any more motivation than that? besides, not all of them are scientists anyway. Yanek is just a pilot, there's medical crew, engineers, security... "holloway and shaw are the only ones who seem to give a damn and even when they make a great discover they wallow like a bunch of brats" only Holloway does and we've already been over his intentional character flaws in detail "shaw starts spouting dumb shit about how she still believes in a religion that's just been proven to be useless. " she is questioning her beliefs. she undoubtedly realises that this discovery changes a lot, but like she says ("what made THEM"), the possibility of a 'god' still isn't ultimately ruled out
cagedescending 05.12.13	yes that helps your case, dummy-spit when we're in the middle of the discussion because you realise i'm refuting most of your arguments and the evidence for the film's suckitude is wearing thin just because other people have come to the same conclusions doesn't mean they're the right ones, it just means they're the most 'obvious' and immediate conclusions to be drawn. let's not resort to argumentum ad populum
cagedescending 05.12.13	not to mention your 'opinion' along with that of most of these self-congratulatory videos is that the people making this film were gibbering fucking monkeys completely inept at their profession and that every little detail that's even slightly vague must be a mistake so let's not REALLY think about it because the other videos agree!!!!
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	Wow cage is really taking this wayyyyy too seriously
klap 05.12.13	everyone who makes videos criticizing a movie is taking it too seriously
theacademy 05.12.13	why is andcas allowed to talk about movies when he thinks aliens is overrated but he digs anarchy my dear
theacademy 05.12.13	why is andcass allowed to CONTINUE LIVING
klap 05.12.13	lol
theacademy 05.12.13	honestly how many comments have you spent on shredding prometheus more or less than i have spent cursing at lakes just wondrin
theacademy 05.12.13	jesus christ lakes what the fuck
theacademy 05.12.13	nope, i am seeing it tomoro with my mommy
cagedescending 05.12.13	i've seen that vid and it raises pretty much exactly the same points i've been shooting down this whole thread viral we're having a discussion it's okay everything is fine "wild thought you're injecting into it" lol so that's what you call not being stupid and paying attention/connecting the dots? the film is a bit vague with these things yes, and maybe the reception of the film would have been better if they'd sacrificed a little pacing to spell things out for people a little more but at the end of the day it doesn't take much of a stretch to make sense of the film. and would you rather it remain a disappointment and hate it forever or appreciate it for what it is and get over the fact that it takes a little mental gymnastics to do so? i mean hell, 2001 was nitpicked into oblivion on release and got a really uneven reception. it was pretty vague and left a lot to be mulled over and asked big questions about the origin of life. now decades later - after people have PROPERLY analysed it instead of clinging to kneejerk youtube videos riding the wave of disappointment - it's rightfully hailed as a classic
cagedescending 05.12.13	still more ad hominems and almost total ignorance of anything i actually said. now i see why you've got the reputation you do cassie m'lad not to mention the fact that i've already said i was initially disappointed. unlike you i've moved past that stage and fought through the weight of expectation
theacademy 05.12.13	^kinda like you did for anarchy my dear blind, deluded fanboyism is ok sometimes dude just gotta roll with it
theacademy 05.12.13	my comment obviously for andcas
klap 05.12.13	analyze it all you want. making a video about it to feed your ego and shit your opinions all over the over-saturated world wide web is less about analysis and more about views
SitarHero 05.12.13	"aliens is overrated" No.
theacademy 05.12.13	did u guys see the trailer for the movie about the BART shooting? it looks intense as fuck i still remember watching that on youtube. i think thats the first time i ever watched someone get killed on youtube. now i think its not that huge a deal to see ppl die on youtube.
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	Lmao andcas fuck that ruined that ending so hard
theacademy 05.12.13	just sharing thoughts.
cagedescending 05.12.13	you've lost this one and you can't even see it open your damn eyes and swallow your pride groupthinks suck and the one that's formed claiming Prometheus is a piece of shit is no different
cagedescending 05.12.13	do you have any other distracting ad hominems to whip out or are you done
theacademy 05.12.13	when someone insults you outside of a debate that's not an ad hominem
cagedescending 05.12.13	dunno if it'll reach up that far
klap 05.12.13	ugh andcas is so punk i can't even take it
theacademy 05.12.13	yea ive been trying to respond to that for like 40 seconds
theacademy 05.12.13	its like 10% right 80% faggot 10% preachy douchejuice
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	better than alien 3
klap 05.12.13	you're right guys we are the only bastion of intellectual integrity remaining in this soulless corporate world where art is just something that can be co-opted to make a quick buck. where the fuck is my banjo
cagedescending 05.12.13	"you rolled over and settled." like fuck i did. i thought a lot about it and rationally came to the conclusion that the film is good, if prickly to get your head around. unlike you, who is regurgitating what every half-assed critic on youtube is spewing and labelling any dissent "wild thought you're injecting into it" and "diehard apologism". it is in fact YOU who has rolled over and settled; settled for the easy, popular conclusion that requires the least amount of effort or thought to get to because, well, everyone else is saying it so it must be true!
theacademy 05.12.13	^^^ caged just leveled up!
cagedescending 05.12.13	cool story bro needs more aliens
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	cage went full awesome
theacademy 05.12.13	caged wisdom
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	faith is a fact
klap 05.12.13	mixing coca cola with budweiser what a herb
theacademy 05.12.13	five by five
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	you gotta just find the fun, b
theacademy 05.12.13	HOW DO YOU NEVER MISS A SINGLE ONE OF MY POP CULTURE REFERENCES, CRYMS ...MARRY ME
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	of course acad
klap 05.12.13	lol good comparison
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	Does he actually not get the Arrested Devlopment references?
cagedescending 05.12.13	seriously dude you're still..? you keep harping on this fanboy thing. what am i a 'fanboy' of exactly? Ridley? he's made plenty of mediocre films, no trouble admitting that. the Alien franchise? Resurrection and AVP1 were poor, AVP2 an abomination. so am i a fanboy of... just this film? i already said many times over i didn't really dig it when it first came out. i was buying into the critiques and had some quibbles of my own and ultimately for months i felt let down. if i was a 'fanboy' wouldn't i just try blindly defending it right from the start? as i've just pointed out, i have no problem calling out poor films from a franchise/director i like, and i was ready to do the same here. but i remembered liking just enough about it to give it another chance. so i did, and i really mulled it over many of the points you and the youtube videos raise are refutable by FACT and the parts where a little imagination is required aren't particularly huge leaps either we're not "pondering over a phenomenal piece of work" because you've already come to the conclusion that it's not one and you're looking for every piece of evidence you can twist or exaggerate to support that, including things that are factually disprovable. everybody mentions the rolling ship thing for instance, but it makes sense and i said clearly why. i on the other hand have admitted to a spot where it's a little hazy here and there (although nothing so severe as to destroy the movie by any means, all it means is you have to - gasp! - think a bit harder) so i'm not committed to some rigid opinion that i feel i have to cling to because it's the safe one that everybody has yes, again, the film could have been clearer and i've never said once that it's flawless but most of the criticisms are bunk and i offered reasonable explanations as to why. i could keep combing those videos for more points to refute (and i'm sure i'd come up against one or two that were legitimate gripes, no film is perfect) but i have a vague semblance of a life and i've already burnt enough of it trying to get through to your stubborn ass. bedtime! there is a hell of a lot to like about the film and it tackles meatier, more interesting subject matter than anything so far in the franchise. so i'm going to continue liking it and you're just gonna have to live with that
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	film brain is one of the better tgwtg critics. lots of people harp on his voice, but i like him. other than that, snob and lupa both have their moments but i'm not a big fan of any others no one tops spoony though
ViralOblivion 05.12.13	I usually film brain and mikeJ
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	forgot welshy, he's pree cool
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	oan is critically far and away the best, but i really can't get into anything he reviews todd is aight i guess
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	yeah sucks that his issues are so public and that they regularly interfere with him making videos but having said that i love pretty much everything he's ever put out met him at the only con i've ever been to and he seemed nice in person
Crymsonblaze 05.12.13	agreed
BigBlob 05.13.13	Its a good film
BigPleb 05.13.13	Damn, this list took off.
LilLioness 05.13.13	Calling Aliens a classic.... In fact, calling anything by Cameron a classic... Then again, Scott is the one responsible for that Robin Hood and fucking turd of the century Prometheus, so maybe even he doesn't deserve any classic labels.
Keyblade 05.13.13	lol this thread so 2012 was the year of sputnikgamer, i guess 2013 it's sputnikmovies
LilLioness 05.13.13	I am serious, Lakes. Idgaf how much his movies gross, he is not a good director. You might as well call Roland Emmerich a wunderkind.
LilLioness 05.13.13	XD I just now noticed the Avatar poo.
Wizard 05.15.13	It's not a bad film by any means. I just don't understand why they chose special effects over substance.