SIMBOLIC: US gun control

SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	its not the child porn its the peeople its not the alcohol its the person its not the pedo its was the 12 yr old she was asking for it its not the roofies i swear
Vakarian12 04.22.13	This should be interesting.
Keyblade 04.22.13	inb4 200 comments
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	thanks for your constructive criticism hep
MO 04.22.13	lol
PunchforPunch 04.22.13	lol great list sim
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	Simbolic, you're pretty much right.
PunchforPunch 04.22.13	"I dont get raped when I go for a jog" hahaha
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	i spread trvth
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	That don't mean you're not a cock though, bro.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	thanks ?
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	Why the '?'
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	im not sure if you're complimenting me or calling me a cock
thumbcrusher 04.22.13	maybe he's complimenting your cock
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	I'm complimenting you. Calling you a cock is a term of endearment. No, Thumbcrusher, I'm complimenting your cock.
thumbcrusher 04.22.13	aww thanks man!
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	sweet its like learning a new language where cock isnt an insult
KjSwantko 04.22.13	The stupidity of this list is mindboggling.
slipnslide 04.22.13	Well ok then by your logic we should legalize meth and heroin cause hey its not the drug its the user amiright?? yeah we should legalize meth and heroin. That argument doesnt help your point
evilford 04.22.13	where is dev when you need him
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	thanks KjSwantko for the constructive feedback that helps back up the integrity of you argument so slip what about the warheads? its not the weapon its the user right?
Cygnatti 04.22.13	Agreed with dis list. The worst part is when they blame violence on television and video games.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	"Agreed with dis list. The worst part is when they blame violence on television and video games." not sure if sarcasm
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	'sweet its like learning a new language where cock isnt an insult' Good for you, cock!
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	thanks butt!!!
slipnslide 04.22.13	thats a far jump dude that's not really self defense lol. 3D printed guns are gonna soon enter the market so discussing this is kinda pointless IMO. I dont necessarily support them but stopping guns is going to be an uphill battle despite most people not being in the NRA. Legalize Meth.
DrHouseSchuldiner 04.22.13	:)))
slipnslide 04.22.13	omg! :}}
Cygnatti 04.22.13	Not sarcasm. It's stupid because the NRA had historically profiled and supported making violent video games and they still are, I'm pretty sure. Also, when compared to European countries and Japan which have just as many violent media, we still have much much more homicides.
SupercolliderMusic 04.22.13	"The stupidity of this list is mindboggling." [2] Anyone who says 'amiright' should be shot. Ironic, aye?
Cygnatti 04.22.13	The difference being that some drugs like heroin get you addicted and can even kill you the very first time you do them. Alcohol, tobacco, and weed wont do that.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Funny how all the people calling me stupid havent given one piece of evidence to rebut what i said lolololol
slipnslide 04.22.13	So users deserve to rot in jail for several years?
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	'Anyone who says 'amiright' should be shot. Ironic, aye?' That's not as clever as you thought it was when you wrote it.
Cygnatti 04.22.13	Idk whether users should, I've always been very lenient when it comes to people doing drugs even though I don't them myself.
tempest-- 04.22.13	Gonna have to agree with Sim on this one, Australia rulez
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	UK rules, Lloyd. Don't you forget it!
slipnslide 04.22.13	People put themselves in danger by doing a drug so they should waste their precious time on the planet by going to jail for several years. Yes or no. That's a viewpoint you might want to determine in this day and age.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	no i dont believe non violent criminals should be jailed in majority of circumstances And cyg drugs only harm the user that made a conscious decision to use. Guns are designed to kill people. other people. its gives people an ability to kill on a far grander scale than a knife or bat
TrstN01 04.22.13	3 always pisses me off. I mean, your AR-15 isn't going to do shit against a drone or a tank.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	but coupled with a neckbeard, the assault rifle has untold powers to make a country what it is!!
SupercolliderMusic 04.22.13	@BBB: Nah, I'm pretty sure it is still comic gold.
slipnslide 04.22.13	"Guns are designed to kill people. other people. its gives people an ability to kill on a far grander scale than a knife or bat " "and lets just give all Americans nukes so they can defend themselves" Dude, c'mon youve contradicted yourself before Hillary even commented
Sniff 04.22.13	Worst country
zxlkho 04.22.13	I was expecting this to be a huge troll list, but I actually agree with all of that.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	"Guns are designed to kill people. other people. its gives people an ability to kill on a far grander scale than a knife or bat " "and lets just give all Americans nukes so they can defend themselves" Dude, c'mon youve contradicted yourself before Hillary even commented so stating guns are designed to kill people and joking about giving people nukes is contradicting oneself ?
slipnslide 04.22.13	Guns have a greater ability to kill more people than knives. You made a comparison which pits nukes against guns. Nukes have a greater ability to kill than guns. Null argument?
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	In this day and age.
slipnslide 04.22.13	at least i think that works
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	unless the original comment about nukes was sarcastic
slipnslide 04.22.13	unless im an idiot
zxlkho 04.22.13	you're all idiots
DarkSideOfLucca 04.22.13	As a US citizen, list is correct m/
omnipanzer 04.22.13	Preface: I am not a gun nut, I do not own a gun but I do enjoy them. I am in favor of stricter gun laws and more thorough background checks. To answer your questions... because you don't have all the answers and you are oversimplifying the situation. Argument 1: your argument is valid (although only partially accurate) your conclusion is ridiculous. Argument 2: All of your reasons apply to me as well so I'm really not sure what your point is. If someone wants a gun and handles it correctly I don't care that they have it. Argument 3: This is not possible for far simpler reasons than you are using. Only idiots and conspiracy nuts believe this although some will use it as an argument simply because they can. Argument 4: You might be too dumb for words. It literally is our right to own firearms and that right is a part of our heritage. Any time something is that ingrained into a public conscience changing it is going to be an uphill battle. I don't have guns, I don't want guns but I like having the right to go buy one should I so decide. Where are you from? I'd love to point out the hundreds of shortcomings of your country which you are clearly so proud of.
MO 04.22.13	I think he's in the UK omnizz, but I could be wrong
omnipanzer 04.22.13	The country that can't even control their kids... seriously?
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Ok You're saying that owning a gun is a right. Why can't kids have guns once they pass a certain responsibility test? Or does it only become a right when you turn a certain age? A human right isn't something you get with age. It's something you have from birth. Placing guns on the same level as freedom, choice and life is a complete joke. Also who said my country was perfect Btw it's Australia 2nd best country to live/be born in 2013 n00b!!1! http://www.economist.com/news/21566430-where-be-born-2013-lottery-life?fsrc=scn/tw/te/tr/thelotteryoflife
MO 04.22.13	my bad, i remember you saying bollocks once so yea, jumped the gun (hurrr)
omnipanzer 04.22.13	Australia.... huge fucking racists.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	How do you figure we're racists? Very rich coming from the USA, where the kkk and Mormonism came from, which believes black people are black cause they didnt fight for god or some shit. How is we racist?
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Lol fair enough MO bullocks is as pom as it gets !
JS19 04.22.13	He's an idiot. I'm an idiot. You're an idiot. We're all idiots!
omnipanzer 04.22.13	Descendants of a bunch of fucking criminals. That's what history has taught me about Australia. It's in the books and I know how to read so it must be right. I clearly know all there is to know about Australia. It makes no difference that we are a huge country by comparison and have many times the population. I'm going to apply what I know to your country and just emphatically state that I'm right and you're wrong. I know everything unlike you retarded ausey pricks.... that about sum it up? anyone?
wabbit 04.22.13	The main problem is that with 3d printing anyone will be able to simply print an automatic assault rifle in 10 years. Education and awareness are much more important than control (especially when the toothpaste is so far out of the tube). But if you look at social issues like smoking or drinking and driving it's not so much the laws that changed but the public discourse. It's like how canada has a huge amount of guns but relatively little gun violence.
DrMaximus 04.22.13	80% of Americans support extended background checks, so don't blame the public you turd fucker.
JS19 04.22.13	Insulting other people gives my opinion more validity right? .... Stupid idiot fuckheads
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Lol where did the British send many Irish criminals? US But we're all descendants from criminals I'm sure no one in your family was ever a criminal ever in the history of ever And your just jealousy my country isn't gonna belong to china like yours will cause of all your debt!!!! We avoided the global financial crisis, we don't get terrorist attacks and we have kangaroos game set match down under! And your just trying to back out cause I rolled you in this argument
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	@Dr Maximus Sorry didnt know the public made the laws! I thought that was done by rich white Christians!
omnipanzer 04.22.13	Totally missing the point, I literally meant nothing I just stated.
DarkSideOfLucca 04.22.13	91% actually
slipnslide 04.22.13	wabbit knows what up
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	He's an idiot. I'm an idiot. You're an idiot. We're all idiots! [2] And Omni, I love you bro, but if he said UK you know you would've had no come back! Only mistake we ever made was giving up the empire and getting defeated to allow your lot your independence! :-p
omnipanzer 04.22.13	"And your just trying to back out cause I rolled you in this argument" no Every point you made save some of Argument 1 is wrong and or childish fancy.
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	'We avoided the global financial crisis, we don't get terrorist attacks and we have kangaroos game set match down under!' - Martyn Bryant, bro.
MO 04.22.13	the amount of generalizations in this thread is baffling
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Thanks UK guys for giving us independence then proceeded to dig yourselves a massive hole! Lets be honest Australia is the fucking tits x10
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Martin Bryant yeh sure fair point But we haven't had a gun massacre since then cause we *spoiler alert BANNED GUNS!!!!'1
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	'Thanks UK guys for giving us independence then proceeded to dig yourselves a massive hole!' Man, when I went to Perth I got no thanks. I got glassed by a Meth Amphet head, I got charged $11 per pint and called a fucking pom by every cunt I met. You Abo hating bastards!
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Lol it's 8.50 a pint And that's at my uni!!! Yeh we don't like poms much but you seem cool!
omnipanzer 04.22.13	Sorry ButteryBiscuitBass but if He'd said UK it would have been one of the easiest because I wouldn't have had to go research anything. Australia isn't much harder though. It's pretty well known they don't treat outsiders very well and that the Aboriginals (Indigenous Australians) are treated horribly on their own continent. He can point his finger this way all he wants but that doesn't mean he isn't forgetting his own peoples shame.
DrMaximus 04.22.13	Yeah, my bad, Lucca is right. The number is closer to 90%. @ SIMBOLIC My point was that, you said, "wtf is wrong with you rpeople. Not allowing more extensive background checks?" Well, 90% of the public is for extensive background checks, and around 75% of NRA members support background checks. So like I said, don't fault the public on this one.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Actually I'm surprised you got pints in Perth. I thought only the capital territory sold pints cause it's still technically British land. You'd get schooners everywhere else
Vakarian12 04.22.13	"But we haven't had a gun massacre since then cause we" there was one in 2002 at Monash Uni.
wabbit 04.22.13	guys ANYONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET ANY GUN THEY WANT WHENEVER THEY WANT IN 10-20 YEARS so background checks are just a really ineffective short term narrow-minded near sighted opinion.
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	'Sorry ButteryBiscuitBass but if He'd said UK it would have been one of the easiest because I wouldn't have had to go research anything' So true, man. We were such arseholes, but you can bet your bottom dollar that we're proud of our heritage and nationallity regardless! I know I am, we have done more good than bad. And yea Omni, man, I know. My sister lives in Perth, the stories she told me when I went to visit are outrageous. But as far as the aboriginals go, have you ever met one? I saw many, but didn't have the bollocks to speak to one. They were always fucked up on something, but fair enough you can argue the White Aussies made them that way.
slipnslide 04.22.13	more like 5 to 10 wabbit. 5 years ago touch screen technology was an insane leap
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Umm are you kidding aboriginals get every concession under the sun. Free access to our best unis regardless of scores, legislation passing left and right to give them more fair goes. We treat them pretty damn well thanks. You'd know this if you researched!! And we have nothing against outsider where do you get this from
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	Yeah I heard about schooners, but nah, was pints everywhere mate. And in fairness, the locals were fucking cool, and whatever they gave me and my mate gave back tenfold. Was all in the name of fun though.
ChuckyTruant 04.22.13	I think anyone outside the US probably shouldn't be voicing their opinion about US gun control in this manner. Like seriously, fuck off.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Yeh we give the old enemy a bit of a rough up but we really don't give a shit as long as you're cool.
Vakarian12 04.22.13	" you can argue the White Aussies made them that way." no. Absolutely not.
slipnslide 04.22.13	I'd be more scared of Google in the next few years than guns tbh. Considering Glass is gonna release in Deceember
oltnabrick 04.22.13	worst user
omnipanzer 04.22.13	Why would I need any real facts to back anything I say up SlMBOLlC? You don't seem to need any. I'm taking general opinions and posting them as fact just like you. next I will tell you all the things you need to do to fix them because I'm clearly in the best position to know... having never been to your country and all. I'm going to use half known/understood truths and misinformation to formulate opinions about you and your country. and then I'm going to tell you why you are so fucked up and should be ashamed of yourself because I'm a retarded kid that doesn't know anything just like you.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	We know you are oltna XD Well chucky i disagree so you can shut the fuck up!!!!1
UnnamedOcean 04.22.13	Agreed, no Koalas, we are fucked.
omnipanzer 04.22.13	The best part is when you tell me why I'm wrong I'm going to claim victory and tell you how I just schooled you.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Well omni I'm using common arguments i hear and. Rebutting, not making anything up!
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Wtf are you on about omni like really
omnipanzer 04.22.13	...and posted it for all to agree or disagree with on a public forum.
oltnabrick 04.22.13	God you suck so much
omnipanzer 04.22.13	"Wtf are you on about omni like really" Sorry I just assumed this is the kind of response you were hoping for.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.22.13	Think the debate regarding handguns should be separate from that of automatic rifles etc. A handgun is a plausible mode of defense, and fairly limited in the damage it can do - a milk bottle full of petrol could cause a similar death toll quite easily. Weapons designed for warfare, though, seem extremely out of place in civilian life. Unless you're literally planning to defend yourself against an army, an assault rifle seems about as useful as a hand grenade. I would imagine it being a lot of fun using either in a legal, non-lethal manner, but still. Perhaps if they limited the use of such rifles to gun ranges that offered very secure storage for the weapons, it might be less problematic when someone goes apeshit. We're constantly surrounded by deadly weapons as such, cars, glass, knives etc, but I think access to weapons that belong on a battlefield should be strictly limited. Saying that, I'm from the UK and we can't even control our kids or something. Who knows.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Hey oltna!
oltnabrick 04.22.13	He wanted us to agree and nobody is LOL
anarchistfish 04.22.13	why make a list about another country's laws?
omnipanzer 04.22.13	I'm not singling you out, you singled yourself out. I get into it with AF like this all the time. Right Fish ;-)
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	Well omni I honestly would rather you didn't respond at all tbh I can understand where you're coming from Consider but I still towards all guns going bye-bye!
stabbler 04.22.13	"Umm are you kidding aboriginals get every concession under the sun. Free access to our best unis regardless of scores, legislation passing left and right to give them more fair goes. We treat them pretty damn well thanks. You'd know this if you researched!!" as much as i think peoples' belief in right to bear arms is fucking ridiculous, you just invalidated any right to comment
omnipanzer 04.22.13	AF tends to make more sense though... js.
anarchistfish 04.22.13	yeah I mean at least I'm actually taking the piss when I act like a typical stuck up snobby anti-american francophone
JS19 04.22.13	I hate it when people use lists to moan about non-music related stuff. Take it somewhere else. Use the forum or go argue on a site where it's actually relevant.
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	How so stabbler pls provide evidence
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	Can't we all just get along?
slipnslide 04.22.13	yeah join a different site whenever you want to discuss a different topic agreed makes sense. why go on the forum when the review site is for all intents and purposes a forum itself
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	If you don't like what the list is about J'S don't click on it problem solved
Vakarian12 04.22.13	everyone should trade their guns in for kittens, everyone loves kittens
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	or pandas
ConsiderPhlebas 04.22.13	How would you completely sterilize the country of guns, though? There are so many that the removal and disposal would cost billions. It would be complete chaos.
slipnslide 04.22.13	Eat them
oresttt 04.22.13	Great jam slip!
SIMBOLIC 04.22.13	It's been done in many many countries considerphlebas Ok friendos I'm going to bed nighty night
CakeWithCream 04.22.13	"thats like legalizing drop bears" hahahahaha
omnipanzer 04.22.13	Night, dream of being a better person.
JS19 04.22.13	'yeah join a different forum whenever you want to discuss a different topic agreed makes sense' sputnikmusic, not sputnik-I-don't-really-understand-politics-because-I'm-15-but-because-it's-the-internet-I'll-have-a-go-anyway 'If you don't like what the list is about J'S don't click on it problem solved' Fair enough 'everyone should trade their guns in for kittens, everyone loves kittens' [2]
DarkSideOfLucca 04.22.13	Damnit Simbolic, you made me feel bad about agreeing with you. Like I said, I'm an American citizen and I agree that the universal background check not passing was insanely retarded, but that was not the fault of the American people at all. That's a combination of the NRA being fucked and Obama actually being FOR guns contrary to all of his speeches where he pretends to be a Democrat...but that's a whole other discussion. Even though I didn't agree with your rhetoric, I initially agreed with the majority of your arguments at the beginning of the thread because I have personally met a lot of gun nuts who are basically just stereotypical South Park characters who say "I should have a right to have a gun because I fuckin' love my guns!" These people actually say shit like "The second Amendment protects my rights to have automatic weapons", "The government is gonna attack if we don't have our guns" and "You can't take away my God given right to own this hurr firearm"...so yeah these are fine arguments against idiots who use idiotic arguments imo (even if 2 and 3 are VERY simplified) but if you can't have a civil debate with anyone/actually make generalizations like you do in this post, then that's just silly.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.22.13	Many many countries, on the scale of that in the USA? I'm gonna say probably not. Sleep tight.
slipnslide 04.22.13	"sputnikmusic, not sputnik-I-don't-really-understand-politics-because-I'm-15-but-because-it's-the-internet-I'll-have-a-go-anyway" sorry ill tell the mods so they can ban everyone here . Ur right im really sorry we did a bad thing here today
anarchistfish 04.22.13	I'd rather live in the US than Australia tbh
omnipanzer 04.22.13	There are parts of the US I think I would prefer but I don't find Australia unappealing.
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	Hmmm. I'm English and I'm going with Australia, Fish. It's the cleanest country I've visited, and you'll get dickheads whatever country you go to.
JS19 04.22.13	'"sputnikmusic, not sputnik-I-don't-really-understand-politics-because-I'm-15-but-because-it's-the-internet-I'll-have-a-go-anyway" sorry ill tell the mods so they can ban everyone here . Ur right im really sorry we did a bad thing here today' I didn't say that. I said it was dumb. This place would be dead if people got banned for saying dumb shit.
anarchistfish 04.22.13	I just find the US much more interesting
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.22.13	Fair point mate.
MO 04.22.13	"There are parts of the US I think I would prefer but I don't find Australia unappealing. " I've actually been to some awesome places in the states in the last year that would be great to live in.
anarchistfish 04.22.13	And I find "clean" countries kinda dull. One of the reasons I'm considering moving to South America one day
wabbit 04.22.13	js19 continuing the trend of people with numbers in their username are fucking awful. 'cept u sobhi < 3
oltnabrick 04.22.13	This thread is terrible
omnipanzer 04.22.13	Europe for example I don't think I would want to live in except a few areas of France but we just have so much land here. There are huge tracts of land (hahaha) that are just there... for no reason that no one knows who the owner is and that isn't purposed for anything. I love that and think I would miss it in a more heavily populated country. Our population density is well below average and I like that.
JS19 04.22.13	'js19 continuing the trend of people with numbers in their username are fucking awful.' Result, my first proper hate message on this site. I feel like I've achieved something 'This thread is terrible' Any discussion about gun laws ends up terrible
anarchistfish 04.22.13	It's useful having everything so close. Durham and Scotland are considered really far away down here but it only takes a 7 or 8 hour drive to get there. And you're never more than something like 60 miles from the sea. But I do like the idea of having a more diverse landscape and being able to explore it, go across it, just admire it. There's a lot of countryside here, but even when it feels like you're really remote you're never usually far from a town or city.
anarchistfish 04.22.13	It's hard to escape from it all
omnipanzer 04.22.13	There are definitely states where you can drive for hours and not see anything but there is a state with a population density for everyone. We range from 438.00 per square KM to 0.42.
anarchistfish 04.22.13	California appeals to me a lot. Unoriginal, I know
evilford 04.22.13	I can't believe people actually got sucked into trying to have a conversation from this list
ChuckyTruant 04.22.13	yeah oh well
zxlkho 04.22.13	God damnit this thread sucks. I mostly agree with SlMBOLlC, but it would be a lot better if he wasn't as asshole about it.
evilford 04.22.13	I'm sure he just heard his first NPR broadcast and regurgitated it all
wabbit 04.22.13	anyone who thinks gun control should happen is simply ignorant to the reality of the situation. It's literally an impossibility
anarchistfish 04.22.13	no everyone knows that all americans are gun loving idiots just common sense really
evilford 04.22.13	just like every single muslim is a terrorist agreed
wabbit 04.22.13	and that's on an international level. So it's just as pointless in England, France, South Korea and Bangladesh as it is the USA
pissbore 04.22.13	play wild arms 1 agreed
anarchistfish 04.22.13	it's not necessary in the UK and France and guns aren't as widely owned but yeah it's a prickly situation
evilford 04.22.13	chinese food > agred
apert 04.22.13	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RablPaIREkk
anarchistfish 04.22.13	north african food is the best
J0ckstrapsFTW 04.22.13	Real Chinese food sucks ass though
wabbit 04.22.13	Yeah but in 10 years everyone in the uk and france will have easy access to assault weapons with no possible way to license them. Vietnamese, Spanish and French foods are objectively the best
PunchforPunch 04.22.13	lol really ?
evilford 04.22.13	wow I guess I'm not worldly enough never had AUTHENTIC SOUTH VIETNAMESE FOOD
wabbit 04.22.13	Yeah. It has all the great things about Asian cuisine but it also has french influence. Plus the culture is based around being #elite so that always helps
evilford 04.22.13	do I have to travel to vietnam to partake?
Gwyn. 04.22.13	Shit list
ffs 04.22.13	their new album is pretty good
anarchistfish 04.22.13	"Yeah. It has all the great things about Asian cuisine but it also has french influence. " shit I need to get on this
henryChinaski 04.22.13	You're right SIMBOLIC.
zakalwe 04.22.13	Highly agree, regarding 2 if a crackhead breaks into my house on the balance of probability they are there to steal my property not kill/rape. Should all reason and rationality not prevail/police don't turn up/A position doesn't present itself to bludgeon the fucker I'm not going to blow the morons head off with a hand cannon while my spurs are jingling and jangling.
ZilbelPing 04.22.13	lets talk music, yo
oltnabrick 04.22.13	I need an assault rifle
ZilbelPing 04.22.13	I need a weapon Right this way
oltnabrick 04.22.13	I need some bitches Ahhhhhhhh
Buzzkillr 04.22.13	"You might be too dumb for words. It literally is our right to own firearms and that right is a part of our heritage. Any time something is that ingrained into a public conscience changing it is going to be an uphill battle. I don't have guns, I don't want guns but I like having the right to go buy one should I so decide." having a really hard time telling if this is a joke or not
SIMBOLIC 04.23.13	Good thread
ShadowRemains 04.23.13	no surprise this turned into a contest of who is the biggest idiot
pissbore 04.23.13	the thing is if you outlawed guns then barrett would have to cut his arm off and that wouldnt be fair now would it
lyzakthellama 04.23.13	Fucking ignorant prick
YoYoMancuso 04.23.13	2 made me laugh pretty hard
TheSupernatural 04.23.13	Simple answer: protection from your own government. At least in theory, until stupid cocksuckers like OP who think government is the answer bow down to its power to fuck you over until you're bleeding out every hole in your body, then shitting in your mouth while castrating you and... you get the picture. They aren't gun rights, they are individual rights. Individuals have a right to own property. Laws dictating the sales of guns are unconstitutional. That is the supreme law of the land. Disregard the law you say? Well in that case, why not follow the example the government has set just kill a whole lot of brown people whenever we feel threatened.
Trebor. 04.23.13	"And cyg drugs only harm the user that made a conscious decision to use" lol I guess you don't have an alcoholic father And lol thinking a few citizens stand a chance against the strongest military in the world, they got drones son, drones
Cygnatti 04.23.13	"tax the rich" I like where this is going. "no citizen needs a fucking assault rifle" but but the only thing that stop a bad guy who got an assault rifle because of lack of background checks and poor gun regulation in general is a good guy who got an assault rifle w/o background checks and quality gun regulation!
SIMBOLIC 04.23.13	or of you outloawed guns, neither would have an assault rifle!!! in the majority of cases i mean there would be underground trafficking, but only cause so many of you americans are just so stubborn you dont get he idea that banning guns saves lives. Dont believe me? In Australia we had similar gun laws to you, then this dude Martin Bryant shot up a shit ton of people, then we banned guns. Haven't had a massacre since. We havent been invaded. Our government hasn't taken our freedom away. I dont get raped when i got to my letterbox. What more prove do you need?
Puzzles 04.23.13	If you live in Western society you should know better than to forget the fact that we live under an authoritarian, propaganda-pedalling government, controlled by large corporations and that we are all slaves to both of these (see: capitalism). I'm no marxist, I'm just saying that you're a delusional idiot
AtomicShane 04.23.13	i can change the whole letterbox thing ;)
Trebor. 04.23.13	When congress ruled that pizza is a vegetable it basically proved without a doubt that our government is owned by corporations
Puzzles 04.23.13	It's funny, the US government is only one or two cuts below Nazi Germany, and yet the docile masses don't have have a clue that they're being fucked every day of their lives
SeaAnemone 04.23.13	puzzles you sound like the kinda loser that works in words like "sheeple" into your argument lol
Trebor. 04.23.13	I wouldn't go that far, things kind of suck now, but we're still way better off then like even 30 years ago, we're just so used to fast progress lately that people think we live in nazi germany or some shit just cuz there's some corruption and not everyone can afford a 60 inch TV
Cygnatti 04.23.13	"It's funny, the US government is only one or two cuts below Nazi Germany," It took Godwin's law long enough, damn.
slipnslide 04.23.13	legalize drugs and murder
DamnVanne 04.23.13	All good arguments Simba, but this is America. Our combo of democracy of morons and an elite legislative class means we will literally never do anything effectively again, unless it's pure executive military action.
DarkSideOfLucca 04.23.13	Dude, I have a LOT of problems with my government, but one or two cuts below Nazi Germany? That's just stupid.
Puzzles 04.23.13	"I wouldn't go that far, things kind of suck now, but we're still way better off then like even 30 years ago, we're just so used to fast progress lately that people think we live in nazi germany or some shit just cuz there's some corruption and not everyone can afford a 60 inch TV" There is widespread corruption - mainstream press, both print and TV news media are absolutely controlled by the interests of large corporations, in that the content is determined with respect to how well they it facilitates an increase in economic efficiency for such corporations. For example, in Australia, we have a large supermarket chain called Woolworths. The CEO of Woolworths, Ian McLeod, earned a $15.6 million salary and yet there are just under 20 rural suicides a week, around about 1000 every year (there were over 2,000 in 2003). Yet Woolworths (and Coles as well) are parading around like the friends of the farmer on TV, advertising lower prices than ever. Nobody saw that on Today Tonight, or A Current Affair. It wasn't in the interests of the corporations who have the media in their back pockets. Some pig farmers in Australia, for example, at the end of the month have a profit margin of -1.8%. Yet, McLeod didn't donate a fucking cent of it to anybody he was obviously ripping off, and you sure as hell didn't read about it in the Courier Mail. This is obivously a smaller example of the wider, reoccurring issue. Believe it or not, all of the examples I could give you would be, at the core, exactly the same. On that note, I read a great quote that describes things better than I could. "I think it's fair to CAUTIOUSLY compare right-wing propaganda with Nazi propaganda. They are giving a beleaguered populace absolute answers about who is the enemy and who is their ally. They use gross mischaracterizations and selective data to essentially conjure up and encourage a visceral, misdirected, and virtually one-sided hatred of liberalism and government." Oh, but things are SO much better than they used to be.
Puzzles 04.23.13	sheeple
SIMBOLIC 04.23.13	tldr "All good arguments Simba, but this is America. Our combo of democracy of morons and an elite legislative class means we will literally never do anything effectively again, unless it's pure executive military action." fair point dude. fair point indeed.
lyzakthellama 04.23.13	Fuck US citizens jesus fucking christ, do you realize how lucky you are to live here? There has always been corruption in politics and there always will be, even in your beloved, perfect Australia. Complaining about it on a music website isn't going to change shit
SeaAnemone 04.23.13	you guys act like extreme, personal greed and avarice and self-interest etc. aren't tenets of the u.s. political system, assumed, built-in, and (well, attempted to be) accounted for I mean yeah it's fine to get mad about it... but to not expect it is just to be totes ignorant of the underpinnings of our democracy
Aids 04.23.13	Ctrl+F "a user that isn't completely full of shit" 0 results :'(
SeaAnemone 04.23.13	WOW AIDS WOW
SIMBOLIC 04.23.13	yeh aids right to the bone
amemento 04.25.13	dont worry aids i am here and simbolic fuck u
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.26.13	By saying sheeple, you yourself become a sheep.
Kman418 04.26.13	great thread guys
Rowan5215 04.26.13	Saw "...you cock juggling thunder cunts" and knew this was a SIMBOLIC list without looking at the author.
ViralOblivion 04.26.13	List is very pointless it's just arguing for the sack of arguing