SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | your talking about if you think the supposed acts of god were justified an/or righteous
"when you compare authoritarianism to chirstianity its remarkebly similar"
not even close, nowhere does it say in the bible that if you dont do what jesus said you're going to hell or should be put to death or anything like that
and i find the notion of intelligent design far more believable than the big bang and evolution. they are the epitome of science's wishful thinking |
tommygun
04.10.13 | no |
Jash
04.10.13 | I don't believe in god, what I do believe in is getting your dumb ass off this site
Sorry I'm so aggressive I'm really drunk right now
Seriously though please leave |
cliiint
04.10.13 | i believe in god, not God |
Kman418
04.10.13 | shits gonna hit the fan |
toxin.
04.10.13 | i love god that's why i listen to anberlin and relient k
|
Uranium
04.10.13 | did god make man or did man make god |
bakkermaarten007
04.10.13 | Yes, I do. But I don't believe in religious institutions. |
tommygun
04.10.13 | DOES THE BODY RULE THE MIND OR DOES THE MIND RULE THE BODY?
I DUNNO |
toxin.
04.10.13 | i luv god and you should too |
grish
04.10.13 | atheism implies a certainty about something that one may never be certain about. don't commit to stupid titles like that, just think for yourself. when you subscribe to any general belief system, it's almost like your beliefs and reasons are 'handed to you'. you don't have to be an 'atheist', 'nihilist', 'christian', 'dualist', or any of that shit. wow i'm on sputnik what am i even doing |
toxin.
04.10.13 | i believe god will smite hillary and dagrish |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | "The New Testament is horribly hypocritical to the point that it means almost nothing and can be interpretted as anything"
??
can we get evidence to back up this bold claim |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | most atheists are as bad as fundamental christians |
demigod!
04.10.13 | Nope |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | lol Baseline obv troll
but if you're serious you are actually the one showing mental limitation and bias
lol
p.s demi wanna make me bouncer again ill be good i swear |
North0House2
04.10.13 | Oh man, one of these threads.
But yeah, I believe in God. Religion =/= God. At all. |
Kman418
04.10.13 | hillary x baseline x religion thread inb4 1000 comments |
Kman418
04.10.13 | The only thing better than 100 Years in Solitude and The Trial is Autechre which makes those books look like some shitty coloring book for autistic 3 year olds and Streetlight Manifesto fans |
NeoSpaz
04.10.13 | No. End of discussion. |
JMH90
04.10.13 | God is a false cunt who was created so humanity would be scared into following gay ass rules |
Kman418
04.10.13 | i was impersonating baseline potsy lol |
sniper
04.10.13 | "You didn't actually believed in God, just thought you did, otherwise you would still believe in him."
this is a very stupid statement. |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | "you saying circumcision is mutilation of chidlren's genetalia is absurd! my kid cried more at his first haircut" Crowd lightheartedly laughs............. Hitchens goes "what if i said my daughter cried more at her first haircut than when I cut off her clitoris, do you not see how much religion has fucked up your mind?" totally agree.
yeh sure cause when you get circumcised when you're like a 1 yr old, you obviously are old enough and have the cognitive function to be brainwashed into disregarding your pain threshold in favour of a religious ceremony!!!!!!!!111
MAKES TOTAL SENSE |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | "where was God during the holocaust?"
I beleive that was the fault of science. you know hitler thinking he could weed out lesser human beings because they are genetically and socially flawed so he tried to breed a super race? you know thats a science thing leave religion out of it |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | fair enuff potsy fuck god hail santa |
sniper
04.10.13 | but guys, jesus loves you though. |
YankeeDudel
04.10.13 | these threads will never not get 300 comments |
sniper
04.10.13 | "proof ur dumb"
proof ur hitler |
sniper
04.10.13 | "There is no consensus among religion- everyone in the world is fighting over what they think the true God is and somehow you alone are entitled to knowing the truth."
and this is different from your beliefs in what way, exactly? |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | @HillaryClitTounge
the same could be said of evolutionist scentists so what ur point???????1! |
sniper
04.10.13 | your mind is just as closed bro.
accept that you don't know shit and rejoin the agnostics where you belong. |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | well
if there is a god that knows everything, can do anything has infinite power, created the universe etc
i wouldnt presume to understand his thought process. i mean death from the perspective of a god is far removed from that of a human |
sniper
04.10.13 | "my beliefs are based on science... the scientific community is in agreement because its all evidence the world has ever collected about astronomy, geology, microscopic organisms and the scientific method actually has a way to fact check and thus prove theories while religion just throws shit out and says believe it or suffer forever."
how can you be sure these things are not intelligently designed? i'm not saying they are, but i'm saying you don't know shit and that's simply a fact. |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | since when are science and religion different? the only differences are in the orign of the universe and species. anything else has nothing to do with religion |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | and the big bang is a crock of shit |
sniper
04.10.13 | no, you people are confusing religion with christianity. |
illmitch
04.10.13 | In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because I am enlightened by my intelligence. |
sniper
04.10.13 | "and the big bang is a crock of shit"
i lol'd
|
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | also religious people are scientists you moron have a look at some creationist sites where PhD doctors and scientists show scientific evidence for their beliefs
i agree with sniper. you know nothing |
YankeeDudel
04.10.13 | "also religious people are scientists you moron have a look at some creationist sites where PhD doctors and scientists show scientific evidence for their beliefs"
thats some pretty big confirmation bias. and id like to see this evidence. |
sniper
04.10.13 | but what i'm saying is that, in the face of uncertainty, belief in no god is as arbitrary and baseless and belief in god. |
Wafflez
04.10.13 | I believe in mewithoutyou. |
dixoncocks
04.10.13 | Thats a pretty wild view on religion you have there. If God does exist, the system he created certainly has its flaws. But if you spend some time to really analyze and break down existence, you will find there are infinitely more examples of how beautiful it is. I feel that if I believe in something it gives my life more meaning and have nothing to loose, but if I shut out the idea completely, I have everything to loose. I would say I believe in God and am a relatively spiritual person but I can't help but despise organized religion. I wouldn't be surprised if they start putting Starbucks inside of churches. |
sniper
04.10.13 | darwin played along with christianity because his wife and mother bullied him. |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | well i study human biology at uni and have done all this stuff on evolution etc and i still dont buy it
"I really don't understand how any thinking person could believe there is a God and not just be wishing out of fear"
this proves you're close minded so run along |
dixoncocks
04.10.13 | also I believe in mewithoutyou[2]
AAron Weiss is a spiritual poetry genius
|
sniper
04.10.13 | "Thats a pretty wild view on religion you have there. If God does exist, the system he created certainly has its flaws. But if you spend some time to really analyze and break down existence, you will find there are infinitely more examples of how beautiful it is. I feel that if I believe in something it gives my life more meaning and have nothing to loose, but if I shut out the idea completely, I have everything to loose. I would say I believe in God and am a relatively spiritual person but I can't help but despise organized religion. I wouldn't be surprised if they start putting Starbucks inside of churches."
what do you have to lose if you live without faith, exactly? |
NorwichScene
04.10.13 | Fuck god, fuck the bible and most of all fuck religion |
dixoncocks
04.10.13 | @Simbolic, What is your argument against evolution? |
sniper
04.10.13 | john coltrane was a pantheist and he was a cool dude |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | anyone who was asking about that scientific religious stuff
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth |
Wafflez
04.10.13 | Holocaust comes free with freedom of choice. Sorry :(. Asking God to solve your shit is dumb. Dunno
much about other religions but Islam basically says the only reason humans are special is because they
have the freedom to choose to do their shit. God fucks you in the afterlife butyou can go blow dogs if
you want here and he isn't going to do anything. That's great imo. |
sniper
04.10.13 | bullshit, there are def methods that have proven the earth is millions of years old. |
SitarHero
04.10.13 | Does the possible existence of God make a tangible difference in your life?
No?
Then stop worrying about it and just focus on living. |
sniper
04.10.13 | yeah but clit you don't know shit either. you are coming down on the opposite side of a debate based on nothing. your belief in no god is still in the face of uncertainty and is just as illogical as belief in god. |
sniper
04.10.13 | "Does the possible existence of God make a tangible difference in your life?
No?
Then stop worrying about it and just focus on living."
bingo. |
YankeeDudel
04.10.13 | and the difference between science and religion is simple simbolic.
religious scientists already have a conclusion, that they try to prove using evidence. most likely completely ignoring all evidence of the contrary. its extreme confirmation bias. basically not the scientific method.
non religious scientists create a hypothesis, take all the evidence found, and then come to a conclusion. religion is backwards. |
SitarHero
04.10.13 | @sniper: I actually just had this conversation with my gf and told her that her atheism was based in
ignorance just as much as the theists she dislikes. She took it surprisingly well. |
Butkuiss
04.10.13 | I'm just curious, from one tertiary science student to another, what SIMBOLIC finds so objectionable about evolution? |
sniper
04.10.13 | you are again equating religions with god, when they are not the same |
sniper
04.10.13 | "but never roman or greek gods those fuckers just copied the egyptians pisses me off"
so derivative |
wacknizzle
04.10.13 | Do i believe there is a god, no fuck that noise. Should people look out for themselves yes! Don't be a fuck up when possible, be as decent as you can and don't worry about this shit. You're a part of this universe, I don't think at this point in your evolution that the universe is gonna forget about you and let you die into nothingness. Death scares people alot and has created alot of fear within them, this whole thing needs to stop, we all fucking die, it's gonna happen. Just don't be a shithead while you're here, there is an obvious presence among us, because we are a part of this universe even if our lives are just a physical manifestation of it. There is no heaven yet for any of us yet as far as i know(meaning peaceful non-physical existence), live your lives, feel free, don't confine yourselves toward any one belief, be open, loving, and free as much as you can. God lol. Death is the tricky part, no one will ever know what death is like because no dead person can just come back and talk about it, for me that is the true leap of faith. It's likely gonna be different for each individual, just don't fuck up and be an asshole in life. In all likelyhood the mechanics of the universe are gonna treat you the way you left and I'd like to leave in a better position than that I left, it's all up to you. Just gonna end this with saying that I don't believe there is a god but I do believe the universe is alive because it fucking is, and the mechanics of it's design are gonna be the one to take care of things after death and that is the only real fear to be worried about. Peace. |
sniper
04.10.13 | dude your rhetoric is just as ignorant as any rleigion. you can't prove there is no god. you can disprove the bible, for example, but you can't disprove god. your belief is no more logical. |
sniper
04.10.13 | " In fact I probably lost the girl I have liked more than any person in my life because of my belief in God and thinking doing good for others would somehow make her like me when in reality I neglected and ignored her and now she doesn't give a fuck about me to pick up her phone. Thanks God."
ironically, you are still blaming god for your actions while you claim to be an atheist. |
wacknizzle
04.10.13 | Well, atleast dying to nothing seems better than something. But then again a soul was created to be a soul in a physical body, it seems pretty difficult to avoid. It sounds like it takes alot of lives and time to forfill to be free of those duties. When I see a more primative creature say an ant, a spider, or deer it seems alot less painful to kill when you feel those souls just wanna escape those bodies and move on to a better. It would be funny though if it were that way and that's how it was with humans too. I mean it is hard to imagine having once been a deer or spider or any animal but imagine we were, I mean we all die and we don't know death in life. We don't know who we were, where we were, only who we are now. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | ironically, you are still blaming god for your actions while you claim to be an atheist.dude your rhetoric is just as ignorant as any rleigion. feeling sorry for myself and praying thinking that people around me would respect me for being a good person when thats not the case. In fact I probably lost the girl I have liked more than any person in my life because of my belief in God and thinking doing good for others would somehow make her like me when in reality I neglected and ignored her and now she doesn't give a fuck about me to pick up her phone. Thanks God. People who believe in God are just waiting for their deaths and that really is sad considering it is not likely that anything is waiting for you. e. Should people look out for themselves yes! Don't be a fuck up when possible, be as decent as you can and don't worry about this shit. You're a part of this universe, I don't think at this point in your evolution that the universe is gonna forget about you and let you die into nothingness. Death scares people alot and has created alot of fear within them, this whole thing needs to stop, we all fucking die, it's gonna happen. Just don't be a shithead while you're here, there is an obvious presence among us, because we are a part of this universe even if our lives are just a physical manifestation of it. There is no heaven yet for any of us yet as far as i know(meaning peaceful non-physical existence), live your lives, feel free, don't confine yourselves toward any one belief, be open, loving, and free as much as you can. God lol. Death is the tricky part, no one will ever know what death is like because no dead person can just come back and talk about it, for me that is the true leap of faith. It's likely gonna be different for each individual, just don't fuck up and be an asshole in life. In all likelyho |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | I'm just curious, from one tertiary science student to another, what SIMBOLIC finds so objectionable about evolution?'john coltrane was a pantheist and he was a cool dude'
i am a pantheist and i am a cool dude
'john coltrane was a pantheist and he was a cool dude'
i am a pantheist and i am a cool dude
|
illmitch
04.10.13 | "In fact I probably lost the girl I have liked more than any person in my life because of my belief in God and thinking doing good for others would somehow make her like me when in reality I neglected and ignored her and now she doesn't give a fuck about me to pick up her phone. Thanks God"
lol this thread im dying |
slipnslide
04.10.13 |
i believe in like, every egyptian god, also satan, and baphomet, and green man, and pan, and the plethora of ones i made up myself. but never roman or greek gods those fuckers just copied the egyptians pisses me off^ this is the video that gave me my atheist-antitheist epiphany. The guy debating Hitchens sounds like a lot of you on here saying "I believe in God, but not Religion" he just seems like he is saying stuff that sounds like it COULD be true whereas Hitchens sounds like the adult telling the harsh truth. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | I told ya, you never believed in him, just thought you did.
I'M THE PROOF GOD EXISTS, HE BLESSED WITH ME GOOD MUSICAL TASTE, LISTENING TO AUTECHRE AS WE SPEAK!! NO JOKE.There is no consensus among religion- everyone in the world is fighting over what they think the true God is and somehow you alone are entitled to knowing the truth."
and this is different from your beliefs in what way, exactly? |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | Thats a pretty wild view on religion you have there. If God does exist, the system he created certainly has its flaws. But if you spend some time to really analyze and break down existence, you will find there are infinitely more examples of how beautiful it is. I feel that if I believe in something it gives my life more meaning and have nothing to loose, but if I shut out the idea completely, I have everything to loose. I would say I believe in God and am a relatively spiritual person but I can't help but despise organized religion. I wouldn't be surprised if they start putting Starbucks inside of churches. The Old Testament is all about genocide and slavery. The New Testament is horribly hypocritical to the point that it means almost nothing and can be interpretted as anything, and the Qu'ran basically says kill everyone who disagrees... but 'don't take the bible literally'.... then how are you supposed to take it? just make stuff up every time it sounds ridiculous?silentpotato
04.10.13
[Report this Post] i love how extreme all of hillarys opinions are its fucking great to watch the entire database lose their fucking jellybeans over it |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | minds to the point that they wouldn't even be able to recognize the horrible shit they do. I remember hearing Hitchens argue vs some pastor who says "you saying circumcision is mutilation of chidlren's genetalia is absurd! my kid cried more at his first haircut" Crowd lightheartedly laughs............. Hitchens goes "what if i said my daughter cried more at her first haircut than when I cut off her clitoris, do you not see how much religion has fucked up your mind?" totally agree.
04.10.13
[Report this Post] I haven't read the bible in a long time, nor completely, but I specifically remember when I was a kid reading about sinners being cast into a lake of fire for all eternity and it scared the shit outta me which is why I remember. Then there is the story of Abraham I think who kills his own children when ordered by God, or how they mutilate kids genitals at birth because it is "holy". There is also Jesus saying that he comes armed with a sword against evil... any way it all just seems so contradictory that I don't even feel like its worth my time reading it. It all just seems like a reason for people to get excited about death and that is horrible to me. |
slipnslide
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slipnslide
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wacknizzle
04.10.13 | No one ever reads my comments in these threads. Continue on fools. |
illmitch
04.10.13 | THREAD BROKEN |
sniper
04.10.13 | "Just cus you can't disprove something doesn't mean it is not much less likely and absurd compared to another competing theory.
You can't prove that the tooth fairy didn't make your teeth fall out as a kid, therefor it is true..."
actually, you can prove what makes teeth fall out. what i'm saying is that atheism is belief that there is no god, which is an illogical belief unless you can prove that there is no god. the fact that atheists cite scientific evidence and religious people often do not has nothing to do with the lack of certainty that is inherent in both ideologies.
in the face of uncertainty, there is only uncertainty. i don't believe in god, but i don't deny the possibility that i could be wrong, because i don't know for sure. neither do you. your atheism is not logical. |
Wafflez
04.10.13 | So anyone else heard the new Justin Timberlake album? |
dixoncocks
04.10.13 | "what do you have to lose if you live without faith, exactly?"
I believe in the possibility that if there was an afterlife, it can can be a different experience for everyone. Much like how no two people are the same, no two souls are the same and each will follow its own path. If you truly believe you were meant to turn into a chicken after you die, you will regardless of if that existence is "real" or the entire kingdom was built to cater to your customized path. If you believe absolutely nothing happens, then you could be missing out on something amazing. This may sound farfetched but at least Im not thinking like a cynical douche anymore. |
sniper
04.10.13 | i am not sure if there is an afterlife, but i am sure there is life, so i don't worry about what comes after it. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | k |
wacknizzle
04.10.13 | slipnslide's comment on my comment wins thread |
sniper
04.10.13 | yeah but atheism is not a "pretty sure" kind of ideology. that's agnosticism. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | it got deleted dude :[ |
sniper
04.10.13 | reality is also beautiful in large part, and NOT acknowledging that is the definition of cynicism. |
illmitch
04.10.13 | the world is awesome and wonderful and it has so many great things |
sniper
04.10.13 | you've clearly never had sex, seen nature, or done acid. |
illmitch
04.10.13 | Man, I just think the strangest things
I love it when I daydream
And you’re not weird, you’re unique
And every day I wanna speak
And tell you how nice you are
And tell you how cool you are
And you’re just a shining star
And it’s positive in my heart
I’m gonna help all my friends
And be there until the end
Whatever you need from me, I’ll be here
So if I don’t let it see tomorrow, just know you’re a shining star
And every day I live for you, who would’ve known
I just cry, you feel me |
PunchforPunch
04.10.13 | stop saying shit like "my god" if you really are an atheist |
sniper
04.10.13 | dude if you don't appreciate your experiences you are missing the point. you are a cynic. |
illmitch
04.10.13 | we live in a world where a rapper can record a music video of him crying in a pet store
i like being alive and things are pretty great |
sniper
04.10.13 | backed hard |
tommygun
04.10.13 | fuck |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | stop saying shit like "my god" if you really are an atheist
or its a saying he learned being surrounded by people who were. like himself, raised religiously or some shit.
lol retard alert |
sniper
04.10.13 | yeah but i don't believe in religion and yet i am able to see more than just the shit parts of life. |
illmitch
04.10.13 | i find it very hard to believe youve graduated from high school |
sniper
04.10.13 | agreed with illmitch |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | wow dont u losers have something better to do besides double team on the interwebs |
illmitch
04.10.13 | lol |
illmitch
04.10.13 | ill tell if u tell ;) |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | i think its clear to all the lurkers at this point that hillary has won the argument guys. go home. |
illmitch
04.10.13 | i am twenty three years old and am a first year graduate student at the university of michigan |
SitarHero
04.10.13 | And all this existential angst over a girl? |
sniper
04.10.13 | lol hillary is full of shit |
SitarHero
04.10.13 | Also possibly because it's getting late in the Western Hemisphere and sleep-deprivation does strange things to your mind.
My advice, sleep it off. Wake up early. Do some yoga and stop sweating the questions with no answers. |
sniper
04.10.13 | but all i was saying is that you can disprove every religious ideology and never disprove the existence of god. atheism and theism are both making a "leap of faith" in assuming that it's possible to know one way or the other. like i said, i don't believe in god, i just realize that i don't have the answer. i'm agnostic. |
illmitch
04.10.13 | im an apatheist but i was baptized catholic and id like to embrace that part of my cultural identity |
dixoncocks
04.10.13 | Dude when life sucks that doesn't mean there is no God. He isnt going to magically make your problems go away and he didn't cause any in the first place. And just because you believed in a religion before and you realized it wasn't for you shouldn't make you should shut out the possibility completely. The day I was kicked out of my church for my parents getting divorced was one of the most enlightening experiences of my life. It freed me of the boundaries and rules of religion and gave me a chance to really open my mind and find inner peace. Pick yourself up and take this as an opportunity to start a new chapter in your life. Things tend to fall into place effortlessly when you have a positive outlook. |
sniper
04.10.13 | i couldn't agree more clit. |
dixoncocks
04.10.13 | Science really has nothing to do with the afterlife though. It will never be proven one way or another. All im saying is on your death bed, are you really going to look back on your life and feel good about focusing on negatives and putting up walls in your life? That shit will consume you, trust me. |
Storm In A Teacup
04.10.13 | There is a universal mysticism that connects everything undoubtedly, but as far as the conscience aspect that is something I haven't encountered personally yet, but there are definitely things at work that raise such questions. And unrelated from all that evolution could lead individuals, or a species to what humans would perceive as God-like. |
cirq
04.10.13 | to each his own
we will find out whats really good when we die |
wacknizzle
04.10.13 | Seems I'm the only one with any wisdom. Peace. |
dixoncocks
04.10.13 | @wacknizzle, i found your posts pretty insightful and matches closely with what I believe. You also brought up some concepts I haven't really explored yet, so cool. Although your want to be recognized for said wisdom almost makes it less effective. |
Dolving999
04.10.13 | First of all, one must respect each other's religious beliefs.
I was raised as a christian, did the whole ceremony thing and shit, but in no way do I believe in Jesus, or for that matter, the whole "saints" thing. No human can be the embodiment/representative of god. I think those were all just christian tales of bravery and good morals to gather a following.
That said, I do believe in God. Well, I call him "God", but I visualize he/she/it/whatever as a superior formless entity. I mean, after all... someone must have created this whole mess we call "world" to begin with. |
Mike08
04.10.13 | reality is also beautiful in large part, and NOT acknowledging that is the definition of cynicism.
Hilary, reread this line and move on. Not just with this thread, but with your life. |
NeroCorleone80
04.10.13 | The idea of a God has never even entered my head |
Mike08
04.10.13 | Hilary I'll write a few thoughts for thought:
1. I'm only posting this so you can move on with life. First, Faith and Religion are fused together through organized religion. Don't discredit faith through organized religion or visa versa.
2. People want religion/ belief systems/ faith/etc. for their own personal reasons. Answer: Do you fear death/ the unknown/ loss of loved ones/ responsibility/ Loss of liberty or equality/ Judgement (Both metaphysically and socially)... All the faith based thoughts provide answers in some capacity to these questions.
3. Don't be demanding of answers. People can be located at an an angry, confused, longing, or happy stage in their life, so faith will be different at each phase. Let whatever thoughts come to you on their own. Even not thinking about religion is quite healthy at times.
4. (Now this is a personal belief of mine) I find the absence of God quite unlikely. This is certainly not an endorsement of any organized religion, but people forget how finite their life and knowledge truly are. There is a vast ecosystem of stars, planets, and life forms that we have not even thought about. The whole universe operates quite outside of our will to power. This notion of an "empty space" may be troubling for some and beautiful for others. Ask yourself: Do you see beauty and awe to the cosmos? Does it frighten you or fascinate you that there is a exponentially chaotic world outside of our small realm? To me there is a fierce beauty to the world that organized religions calculate, predict, box in... I selected the quote up top because cynicism and fatalism is part of many religions fears. "Death has lost its sting." This is why up top I told you to open up to the wonder of reality. Sure there is pain, loss of innocence, death, loneliness, uncertainty, responsibility, but would you have it any other way? |
bakkermaarten007
04.10.13 | Mike knows. |
bakkermaarten007
04.10.13 | "That said, I do believe in God. Well, I call him "God", but I visualize he/she/it/whatever as a superior formless entity. I mean, after all... someone must have created this whole mess we call "world" to begin with."
Exactly, one of the biggest arguments for atheism is the reaction what caused the big bang, but who/what set that in motion? They'll never know.
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Keyblade
04.10.13 | "i love god that's why i listen to anberlin and relient k"
lol ilu tox |
bach
04.10.13 | Here we go, again. |
Keyblade
04.10.13 | lol base |
SIMBOLIC
04.10.13 | just read the bible n00bz |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | So many retarded arguments in this thread oh my god, fuck you all. |
savagecabbage
04.10.13 | Yeah, i believe in God. So what? |
Pestiferous
04.10.13 | boojoo jus byt my dick off and call me sally |
smith1
04.10.13 | glad i caught the monthly religion thread |
conesmoke
04.10.13 | I believe we are all connected somehow. |
BigBlob
04.10.13 | religion is gay lol |
Keyblade
04.10.13 | lakes it's over dammit |
Keyblade
04.10.13 | you'll have your chance next week don't worry |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | I keep missing these threads |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | we'll start our own thread with Neurosis and list=digs |
Vakarian12
04.10.13 | no. |
savagecabbage
04.10.13 | I believe... I believe in God. Do you? Do you believe? I believe... Malibu nights tangerine dreams malibu knees malibu dreams malibu makin the poo stinky poo lookin at you because it's time for my breakfast it's time for some cheese its time for stink it's time for the breeze its time for the hurry. |
Vakarian12
04.10.13 | space batman |
CaptainHadouken
04.10.13 | Not really. never been much for religion. |
sideburndude
04.10.13 | aaaaa |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | I trust science. They named the most important moment in the history of the universe "big bang" after the clocktower from London, pretty fucking deep if you ask me. Oh and those skeletons they discover every year that are bigger and bI believe... I believe in God. Do you? Do you believe? I believe... Malibu nights tangerine dreams malibu knees I find the absence of God quite unlikely. This is certainly not an endorsement of any organized religion, but people forget how finite their life and knowledge truly are. There is a vast ecosystem of stars, planets, and life forms that we have not even thought about. The whole universe operates quite outside of our will to power. reality is also beautiful in large part, and NOT acknowledging that is the definition of cynicism.
Hilary, reread this line and move on. Not just with this thread, but with your life. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | I was raised as a christian, did the whole ceremony thing and shit, but in no way do I believe in Jesus, or for that matter, the whole "saints" thing. No human can be the embodiment/representative of god. I think those were all just christian tales of bravery and good morals to gather a following. Heaven is a place where Thrice, Converge and La Dispute play in the background non-stop - pretty sure we'll all agree on that.Science really has nothing to do with the afterlife though. It will never be proven one way or another. All im saying is on your death bed, are you really going to look back on your life and feel good about focusing on negatives and putting up walls in your life? That shit will consume you, trust me. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | I haven't read the bible in a long time, nor completely, but I specifically remember when I was a kid reading about sinners being cast into a lake of fire for all eternity and it scared the shit outta me which is why I remember. 205 comments, of course
Yeah, i believe in God. So what? |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | Fin. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | Do You Believe In God: A Movement In 229 Parts |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | Directed By Hillary Clittounge |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | Written By Hillary Clittongue and sniper01 |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | Soundtrack provided by skele |
ChuckyTruant
04.10.13 | I use to, not anymore though.
Btw I read all your comments Dale! :) |
ChuckyTruant
04.10.13 | Oh but to be specific I'm agnostic, so I neither believe nor disbelieve. |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | I believe this unverifiable thing for no reason and you can`t disprove it therefore it is true. Invisible dragons are everywhere you can`t prove it wrong therefore i believe. We are all connected to the invisible dragons somehow because reasons. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | Fin |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | I can`t speak for everyone but I think very few people are actual atheists, rather they are what is called agnostic atheist by which they believe that the evidence is just not sufficient enough. |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | And everyone lived happily ever after |
wabbit
04.10.13 | SO I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD BUT I'M ALSO NOT AN AAAAAAAATHIEST |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | The End. |
jefflebowski
04.10.13 | is this the worst religion thread yet?
also most people here don't seem to understand the definition of atheism |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | And they were never seen or heard from again |
SaneTBP
04.10.13 | I fucking hate people who associate the concept of believing in god with being a christian ugh |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE (insert something that doesnt deserve such an extreme reaction)
UGH
dude its the dominant belief system in like a bunch of countries so its not a crazy assumption. i dont really know what places since i never passed grade 7 geography but i know my point is valid somehow |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | not to mention its like the biggest religion in the world or space or whatever |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | dont even try to mention that FIN |
wabbit
04.10.13 | YOU KNOW THE UNIVERSE IS CHAOS BUT CHAOS PLAYS FAVOURITES |
slipnslide
04.10.13 | guys im wiccan follow me on tumblr pls |
thumbcrusher
04.10.13 | nope |
SaneTBP
04.10.13 | Yup sure I can see where they're coming, but the discussion is about the possible existence of god. The bible contradicting itself or the scandals the catholic church have had recently don't mean shit in that subject. Those arguments criticize the system and don't have as much to do with the actual subject as many seem to think |
thumbcrusher
04.10.13 | To me, god (not even in the theist sense) is such a 'human' idea, to fill the void about things we don't know much about, eg. the start of the universe, conscience etc.... But just becuase we don't know the science behind it yet I don't see the logic in reverting to the assumption there is some magical designer. |
omnipanzer
04.10.13 | no |
Brostep
04.10.13 | well jeez this just blew up didn't it? |
Ignimbrite
04.10.13 | Yes, I believe in God, but I'm not gonna get sucked into a debate. |
Pestiferous
04.10.13 | damn hillary you sure do know how to turn a man's floppy disk into a hard drive
;DDD |
apert
04.10.13 | sputnik religious threads always reveal who the smartest users really are
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wabbit
04.10.13 | AND LATELY I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT HOW I LOVE JJJJJESUS CAUSE JESUS WAS A DIRTY HIPPY PEACE ACTIVIST |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | Religion was a tool used in the dark ages to manipulate the masses into behaving. Before there were police, people would obviously have little reservation about stealing, raping, and killing. Religion was designed to curb those behaviors. Since your average human being is so ignorant, it worked. Religion is totally unnecessary now, but it will exist as long as stupid people exist. |
pissbore
04.10.13 | listen to morbid angel - immortal rites and read the lyrics
that's what real religion is all about, fuck all that mainstream shit |
pissbore
04.10.13 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW7thMxpVWU for better context/imagery |
ILJ
04.10.13 | mike won the thread
i believe that there is a higher power beyond us, but i know that there is no way in hell I'll ever even come close to understanding what that may be, so i don't claim to know. i believe in a "God" but not in the traditional Christian sense of the word. i think this makes me agnostic. i hold science above religion but i also acknowledge that science too can be flawed. there are just some things science can't explain (at least not yet.)
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pissbore
04.10.13 | watch the vid i posted |
apert
04.10.13 | geasoftime challenging Hilary for most retarded comment of the whole thread |
ILJ
04.10.13 | "Religion was a tool used in the dark ages to manipulate the masses into behaving. Before there were police, people would obviously have little reservation about stealing, raping, and killing. Religion was designed to curb those behaviors. Since your average human being is so ignorant, it worked. Religion is totally unnecessary now, but it will exist as long as stupid people exist."
Religion was around long before the dark ages nigga |
pissbore
04.10.13 | watch the vid i posted [2] |
SitarHero
04.10.13 | "not to mention its like the biggest religion in the world or space or whatever"
Wrong. Islam biyatch. Although they're pretty much the same thing. |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | Yeah, I would have capitalized if I meant 'The Dark Ages'. I meant it to mean an undetermined and long ago time in history. I am sure that you don't even know what Zoroastrianism is, so please don't presume to educate me. Don't bother googling it, I know you have no idea. |
ILJ
04.10.13 | Well aren't you a pretentious little peckerhead |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | @Sitar: no, 33% of the world identifies as Christian where only 21% as Muslim |
apert
04.10.13 | and geasoftime wins the most retarded comment of the thread, truly an achievement considering its a religion thread and hilary commented about 50 times |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | in this moment I am euphoric |
ILJ
04.10.13 | "Yeah, I would have capitalized if I meant 'The Dark Ages'"
Then you shouldn't have said "the dark ages" since when people refer to "the dark ages" they're generally referring to "The Dark Ages." It's not my fault you were unclear. |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | I don't think you know what pretentious means, ILJ. |
Arked
04.10.13 | no, I don't. |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | "I am sure that you don't even know what Zoroastrianism is, so please don't presume to educate me. Don't bother googling it, I know you have no idea."
No, I am pretty sure you don't. I mean jesus christ you can't be taken seriously if you make statements like this. |
pissbore
04.10.13 | watch the vid i posted [3] |
apert
04.10.13 | i've seen it before piss
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ILJ
04.10.13 | I'm well aware of what pretentious means. That comment reeked of pretension. "I know more about this thing than you do I bet you don't even know what x is lmao don't even try to educate me on this thing you probably don't even care about because I know way more about it than you do" That's a pretentious comment yo. And you're being a dick for no reason whatsoever, like your comment on my shoutbox. So you know about Zoroastrianism and I don't. Whoop-de-fucking-do. Congrats, would you like a trophy? Sure, I could look up stuff about religion, or I could invest my time in learning about things I care about. |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | I'm not really all that concerned about being taken seriously in a thread like this. Believers are going to continue to believe and disbelievers are going to disbelieve. And Zoroastrianism is very pertinent to the subject at hand. I want to illustrate how little he actually knows about when he presumed to school me on. |
Pestiferous
04.10.13 | this thread sucks more dick than i can in one night
and god is in heaven so that's probably why all his messages sound like shit
BUT ONLY IFFF YOU CAN
fuckin myyyyyyyyyy
watch the vid i posted [4]
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geasoftime
04.10.13 | That's not pretension, babe. You're using the word incorrectly. But, plenty of uneducated people do that, so don't worry about it. |
Pestiferous
04.10.13 | "I know more about this thing than you do I bet you don't even know what x is lmao don't even try to educate me on this thing you probably don't even care about because I know way more about it than you do"
Pretentious:
Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
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ILJ
04.10.13 | lol, the only thing I said was that religion was around long before the dark ages and then you brought up some religion that was completely irrelevant to try and demonstrate your presumed superior knowledge. you were ambiguous in your original post, you could have simply stopped at "oh i didn't mean The Dark Ages specifically, I meant in general" but no, you had to be all like 'WELL I KNOW MORE THAN YOU HMPF!" |
wabbit
04.10.13 | SO MAYBE GOD ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD BUT I BELIEVE IN YOU |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | watch the video i posted [5] |
osmark86
04.10.13 | holy ass this turned into a long discussion.. |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | So what are you trying to say? - that I don't know what Zoroastrianism is? Because I do. I'm not pretending to know something that I don't know, so I'm not being pretentious. I'm being arrogant and condescending, but those are totally different concepts. |
VsIsBetter
04.10.13 | holy shit, you are gay |
PunchforPunch
04.10.13 | yes, gay is what we are |
ILJ
04.10.13 | What I was trying to say is that your knowing what Zoroastrianism has almost no relevance to the conversation. You were trying to assert that your opinion is of greater worth than it is because you know about a religion that I don't, but that's not the case. If you do in fact know what Zoroastrianism is, then I applaud you, you know your shit and that's more than most people can say. And you refer to me as "uneducated" because I don't know about it which is fucking asinine.
"
Pretentious:
Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed."
Which he did by bringing up a religion that had nothing to do with this discussion. A synonym for the word is "showy" which he was being by showing off knowledge that bears little relevance to the discussion. |
DrMaximus
04.10.13 | "p.s demi wanna make me bouncer again ill be good i swear."
Fuckin' lol'd at this
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DrHouseSchuldiner
04.10.13 | God
Your god is dead !! |
pissbore
04.10.13 | watch the vid i posted [6] |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | I didn't call you uneducated for not knowing what Zoroastrianism is. I called you uneducated because you called me pretentious, then insisted that I was being pretentious, when I wasn't being pretentious. You're conveniently leaving the "...than is actually possessed" part of the definition out of your argument, because it invalidates your assertion. I am not claiming that my opinion is of greater worth. I am claiming that I know alot more about these things than you portrayed me to know, and that it's not your place to correct or disparage me.
I don't even particularly want to continue arguing with you, so I'm going to leave this alone after this. I knew I was playing with fire even posting on a thread like this and I don't want to waste anymore time on this. |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | Yeah, Baseline is the obvious winner here. I'm trying to iceskate uphill at this point. |
Damon
04.10.13 | I do |
pissbore
04.10.13 | geas why wont you watch the vid i posted |
Project
04.10.13 | Yes. |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | Alright, pissbore, I'm going to watch it |
wabbit
04.10.13 | agreed |
wabbit
04.10.13 | or mushrooms |
Storm In A Teacup
04.10.13 | Science is just a tool God gave us to ascend and evolve. |
geasoftime
04.10.13 | That sounds like a good plot for a fantasy novel. You're going to be a rich man, Storm. |
Maniac!
04.10.13 | holy shit. Out of all the religion/god/etc. threads sputnik has produced, this is easily the worst one |
Trebor.
04.10.13 | Do you believe in life after love? |
Hyperion1001
04.10.13 | do i look like a christian to you?
well im not a christian and i believe in lucifer |
Disrupt
04.10.13 | I believe in source |
Pestiferous
04.10.13 | "holy shit. Out of all the religion/god/etc. threads sputnik has produced, this is easily the worst one"
pretty much |
necromechanical
04.10.13 | debatable, i despise organized religion. also fuck you if you think creationism or intelligent design are science or true. |
Trebor.
04.10.13 | I have class in 14 minutes but I'm still on the shitter |
ResidentNihilist
04.10.13 | You should send this question to the president. I'm sure he would appreciate it. |
Trebor.
04.10.13 | What goes down in Prometheus is more logical than christian intelligent design
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pissbore
04.10.13 | wabbit watch the vid i posted it connects with the sacred realm of shrooms |
ZilbelPing
04.10.13 | Another one of these damn
This one was really boring. There was a really good thread about this like a year or two ago. |
apert
04.10.13 | hyperion wins best comment award |
Kman418
04.10.13 | I skimmed through this only reading baseline and slipnslide's posts lol |
Emim
04.10.13 | Not going to get into this any further than to say that I do. If anyone wants to have a genuine discussion they can hit up my shoutbox. |
PunchforPunch
04.10.13 | "What goes down in Prometheus is more logical than christian intelligent design"
The movie reminded me of Xenogears. |
North0House2
04.10.13 | So much butthurt itt.
...and a lil buttsecks. |
Kimm
04.10.13 | "I haven't read the bible in a long time, nor completely, but I specifically remember when I was a kid reading about sinners being cast into a lake of fire for all eternity and it scared the shit outta me which is why I remember. Then there is the story of Abraham I think who kills his own children when ordered by God, or how they mutilate kids genitals at birth because it is "holy". There is also Jesus saying that he comes armed with a sword against evil... any way it all just seems so contradictory that I don't even feel like its worth my time reading it. It all just seems like a reason for people to get excited about death and that is horrible to me."
That's as far as I read into the thread. It looks like you have a lack of understanding in terms of these biblical concepts. I'd love to chat about it.
I do believe in God, but honestly my faith has not been strong lately. I've been through some things that have really caused me to challenge and rethink everything I believe, and I wish I had the answers for you but I don't. |
Calc
04.10.13 | I believe in God but not how another thread on this subject reaches 300 comments AGAIN. |
Spec
04.10.13 | Lakes doesn't have the mental capacity to have a genuine conversation. |
wabbit
04.10.13 | I read a book that jesus was essentially just code and it was just a bunch of dudes tripping balls on shrooms that grow in caves in the area and that's why you have no mention of him existing for a long ass time afterwards (It's like 68bc).
But actually it's been well documented that if you put yourself in solitary confident and are good at "meditating" you'll start talking like a jesus or buddha so he was probably just a pretty cool pretty crazy dude.
And given how awful his education would have been he actually had a couple okay ideas. |
undertakerpt
04.10.13 | god is the planet |
AstroZombieDoyle
04.10.13 | God is a complete fabrication of humanity. every culture has a different one(s) for a reason... |
zakalwe
04.10.13 | Jesus existed, spoke some sense to a bunch of barbarians and then was the marketing tool for a constructed ideology on which control is the main purpose. If there is a God it's Spinozas. |
PunchforPunch
04.10.13 | "spoke some sense to a bunch of barbarians"
lol |
omnipanzer
04.10.13 | "I do believe in God, but honestly my faith has not been strong lately. I've been through some things that have really caused me to challenge and rethink everything I believe, and I wish I had the answers for you but I don't."
I don't know why but loss of faith has always been really sad to me. In stark contrast to the fact that I'd like to be the reason people lose faith. |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | How tragic not to be bound by an omnipotent, hypocritical serial killer who constantly holds vague threats at your existence. |
ConsiderPhlebas
04.10.13 | If there is a god I would imagine it's a being beyond our comprehension by a fairly long way. A monkey would have more chance of understanding the intricacies of global telecommunications than we have of understanding something that can dash off all the things that make up a universe. You talk about death as if it's something inherently bad. Without death - even the death of entire species - life wouldn't be sustainable. Without suffering, a crucial part of the impetus for a species to evolve would have been missing. Hoping that there isn't a god is a type of arrogance - it assumes that god is something like a human, with morality (whether twisted or not), emotions and a responsibility to hold everyone's hand and make sure everything is just lovely forever. Since it hasn't done that, if it exists it must be some sadomasochistic monster? Nah. That isn't atheism - that's just a particularly bitter form of "god made us in his image." The human brain is crude, and so is our language. It's interesting to throw ideas around, but if there is a creator we're never going to get close with our current tools. We can't even completely understand certain aspects of life on earth yet. Personally, I think the human mind has developed into something that we can plausibly, if figuratively, call a soul. I'll believe in god if and when I meet it. |
wabbit
04.10.13 | what about buddism mr. funeralopolis? |
zakalwe
04.10.13 | Exactly Phlebas (superb book) which is why if the bible or other holy books purports to be "the word
of God" why is it such a load of nonsense |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | pretty sure Buddhists don't believe in a monotheistic god? |
bakkermaarten007
04.10.13 | "I have class in 14 minutes but I'm still on the shitter"
Haha, I used to do the same every day I had to follow courses. It's like the only place I can really be alone. |
pissbore
04.10.13 | soon it will be common knowledge that all religions were based upon experiences with entheogens such as psilocybin
also, watch the vid i posted |
wabbit
04.10.13 | mckenna said religion comes from the gap left from when Shamanistic tradition leaves a culture. I mean really old religions like Hinduism seem to be based in plants (explains why cows are worshipped) but Buddhism and Christianity are very easily explain with known meditative practices. |
pissbore
04.10.13 | ya but meditation and shamanism are both just different avenues of reaching the same realm |
wabbit
04.10.13 | Well from a neuroscience perspective they are pretty different
and it terms of subjective experience they are pretty different
meditation is much closer to mdma than a psychedelic |
DrMaximus
04.10.13 | http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/58458/1104086-worst_thread_ever_super.png |
DrMaximus
04.10.13 | ^ |
solongatlast
04.10.13 | Clouds by As Cities Burn, my friends
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pissbore
04.10.13 | watch the vid i posted [9] |
YoYoMancuso
04.10.13 | 04.03.13 Retiring From Sputnik... |
Ignimbrite
04.10.13 | I'm gonna break out some philosophy on y'all bitches. The following is an excerpt from an essay I wrote a few weeks ago on this very subject. The entire thing is ~10 pages, so bear in mind that there's a lot more to the argument than what I'm presenting here.
"...combining all of these aspects of Descartes’ arguments for the existence of God, we can say that God must exist simply due to His perfection, for first of all, our notion of perfection could not exist if an ultimate perfection were not a reality, and second of all, the very idea of God’s perfection excludes the possibility of his nonexistence."
"...Aquinas gives an example involving a burning log. This log, he says, was initially set ablaze because of the fire itself, and not because of the wood itself. He states, “What is changing can’t be the very thing that is causing the same change… but must be being changed by something else”. This summarizes the essence of the first part of this argument: change cannot have been caused by the thing that is changing, but must have come from an outside source. Furthering this mode of thought, he goes on to argue that, if the above statement is taken to be true, every effect is but a piece of a long train of causes and effects, and that this train must have had a first cause. He asserts that this must be true because “eliminating a cause eliminates its effects, and unless there’s a first cause there won’t be a last or an intermediate cause”, and also that a series of causes cannot possibly be infinite: that is, if we look back far enough, there must be a first agent cause. Aquinas takes this concept to be God, or specifically, that “to which everyone gives the name God”."
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Ignimbrite
04.10.13 | I go on to present several counterarguments from Kant and Hume, including the Problem of Evil... blah blah blah and then the conclusion:
"Gathering all these arguments together, we can come to a few conclusions about the existence and nature of God. The first is that, although at this point we are unsure of its actual nature, a First Cause – as defined by Aquinas - must exist and its existence is disproved neither by Kant nor Hume. Secondly, a Source of Perfection – as defined by Descartes – must exist and neither Kant nor Hume disproves its existence. It becomes trickier when attempting to combine the two into the supremely perfect Abrahamic God, as the Problem of Evil still represents a major hurdle that even I, one who believes in the existence of this specific idea of God, still struggle with getting over, but this is not to say that it is utterly impossible for the two Beings to be one and the same. For example, while arguments relating to free will may be flawed in many ways, many of them still do represent, at least in certain aspects, solid counterpoints to the Problem of Evil, particularly that which argues that the gift of free will to humanity by God allows us to willfully separate ourselves from God. Since God is the ultimate Perfection, separation from Him equates to separation from Good and Perfection, leading to evil that cannot be blamed on God. It may not me a perfect argument against the Problem of Evil, but I do believe that it, in combination with the previous proofs of the existence of both the First Cause and the Source of Perfection, provides extremely solid evidence for the existence of God." |
wabbit
04.10.13 | Yeah 'cept philosophy and psychology are horribly outdated and limited.
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wabbit
04.10.13 | Like science is really starting to show it can make claims in the field of morality so why the fuck would you still pay attention to the arts? |
Ignimbrite
04.10.13 | tl;dr - There exists a First Cause, or "primus movens". There exists a Source of All Perfection. We run into some issues (e.g. evil) when combining them into the idea of the Abrahamic God, but the fact remains that these two concepts/entities must exist, whether or not we define them as the Judeo-Christian notion of God. |
Calc
04.10.13 | "It may not me a perfect argument against the Problem of Evil"
If i was your teacher this small typo would've cost you your grade. |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | "...combining all of these aspects of Descartes’ arguments for the existence of God, we can say that God must exist simply due to His perfection, for first of all, our notion of perfection could not exist if an ultimate perfection were not a reality, and second of all, the very idea of God’s perfection excludes the possibility of his nonexistence."
God must exist because God must exist because he is perfect because he exists! |
wabbit
04.10.13 | plus physics is essentially showing that nothing can create something so that gets rid of that whole silly first cause thing. |
Ignimbrite
04.10.13 | I'm a science guy myself (geophysics major) so I get what you're saying and there have been many things in this class that I think are utter bullshit, but, while not empirically provable, philosophical proofs for and against the existence of God are at the very least some extremely interesting food for thought. |
Calc
04.10.13 | "plus physics is essentially showing that nothing can create something so that gets rid of that whole silly first cause thing."
please send a link where people are saying this or you're a liar. |
wabbit
04.10.13 | simulation theory and things akin to it are starting to gain a bit of prevalence though.
People also bat around a lot of claims in quantum mechanics but not from any prominent physicists in the field. |
Ignimbrite
04.10.13 | "God must exist because God must exist because he is perfect because he exists!"
I will agree that the second part of that argument does not hold water (I explained some objections to it in later parts of the paper) but I think that Descartes' "ultimate perfection" argument deserves some credit.
"plus physics is essentially showing that nothing can create something so that gets rid of that whole silly first cause thing."
Could you elaborate? I'm uninformed. |
wabbit
04.10.13 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZiXC8Yh4T0 |
Calc
04.10.13 | the fuck thats an hour long lol where's the part where he says nothing can create something. |
wabbit
04.10.13 | ...yeah
you can fuck off |
Hyperion1001
04.10.13 | when you come to realize that philosophy only derives from the electro-chemical imbalance of charged
sodium, potassium, chlorine, and calcium ions it becomes harder and harder to put faith in theoretical
logic that cannot be physically tested |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | "...Aquinas gives an example involving a burning log. This log, he says, was initially set ablaze because of the fire itself, and not because of the wood itself. He states, “What is changing can’t be the very thing that is causing the same change… but must be being changed by something else”. This summarizes the essence of the first part of this argument: change cannot have been caused by the thing that is changing, but must have come from an outside source. Furthering this mode of thought, he goes on to argue that, if the above statement is taken to be true, every effect is but a piece of a long train of causes and effects, and that this train must have had a first cause. He asserts that this must be true because “eliminating a cause eliminates its effects, and unless there’s a first cause there won’t be a last or an intermediate cause”, and also that a series of causes cannot possibly be infinite: that is, if we look back far enough, there must be a first agent cause. Aquinas takes this concept to be God, or specifically, that “to which everyone gives the name God”."
So all this pretentious rambling is basically saying is that you can't have an effect without a cause therefore something must be outside this chain. This is literally the most basic argument, damn you got us good.
How do you know nothing exists? Nothing can't be observed, nothing very well may not even exist at all. Time also adjusts by weigh etc meaning that there very well may have been an extensive period where time did not exist. These are all questions that still need answering but just because there is a hole doesn't mean that is proof of God. |
Calc
04.10.13 | oh so its just some shit you found....
thought so. |
wabbit
04.10.13 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing:_Why_There_is_Something_Rather_than_Nothing
just read the book |
Ignimbrite
04.10.13 | First of all, I'm not formulating an argument: I'm presenting one.
Secondly, I specifically stated that the existence of a First Cause does not prove the existence of what some religions understand to be God. It merely means that one of God's aspects must hold some manifestation in reality, even if we don't know exactly what that manifestation actually is. |
pissbore
04.10.13 | watch the vid i posted [10] |
Trebor.
04.10.13 | Do you believe in Gob?
Arrested Development comes back next month motherfuckers
|
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | gonna rock |
Trebor.
04.10.13 | Every argument basically boils down to:
I don't know, therefore God
and the other side is all like
I don't know, therefore I'm not going to make any assumptions on the matter |
Funeralopolis
04.10.13 | I will compromise in that the existence of a God is very much a possibility among many other plausible possibilities. However the existence of a Christian or Muslim or Judaism god is just suchhh a stretch. |
Trebor.
04.10.13 | ^Exactly
Although the existence of a God is at like 7% at this point |
Hyperion1001
04.10.13 | god is a jelly doughnut |
wabbit
04.10.13 | Yeah I think right now the idea is that if jesus comes back out of the sky we go "oh I guess we are in some kid from the future's simulation" |
savagecabbage
04.11.13 | I'm so smart I believe in Zeitgeist over everything else. For 7.99 on Netflix I'm told the secrets of the world and I'm far superior than you and your meaningless faith. I believe in zeitgeist and I'm the shit. Bow before me you plebs. Zeitgeist will Surely save me. Derp de Derp de Diddily DUMB |
amemento
04.11.13 | ur going to hell children |
amemento
04.11.13 | ""and the Qu'ran basically says kill everyone who disagrees"
LOL you are worse than Osama. If you have not studied it please refrain from making brash assumptions about it based on what you have HEARD from others, thanks""
the thing is that is pretty much what the Qu'ran is about its about how females have no rights and that u gotta listen to god or u suck |
amemento
04.11.13 | just read what hitchens and dawkins have to say on the matter cos lets face it they r smarter than u |
savagecabbage
04.11.13 | I'm so smart I believe in Zeitgeist over everything else. For 7.99 on Netflix I'm told the secrets of the world and I'm far superior than you and your meaningless faith. I believe in zeitgeist and I'm the shit. Bow before me you plebs. Zeitgeist will Surely save me. Derp de Derp de Diddily DUMB |
Funeralopolis
04.11.13 | I know muslim aren't allowed to charge interest and are discouraged from seeking an efficient and viable economy as well as prioritizing worship over essentials such as health and education by which it can fuck itself. |
savagecabbage
04.11.13 | let's be angry |
amemento
04.11.13 | god is better than me tho thats why i worship over healkth :D |
savagecabbage
04.11.13 | Take me with you Hep Kat you sonofafuck |
amemento
04.11.13 | i am god and i decree that i am not real ok there u go now go on living religious ppl |
savagecabbage
04.11.13 | Letdown
that's what I get for believing in something... |
SitarHero
04.11.13 | Fuck Anselm and his ontological argument. |
Gwyn.
04.11.13 | Not really |
bakkermaarten007
04.11.13 | "I will compromise in that the existence of a God is very much a possibility among many other plausible possibilities. However the existence of a Christian or Muslim or Judaism god is just suchhh a stretch."
And we know that, atleast I do. But with our quasi non-existent facts on the matter we can only use our own imagination or the features laid out by said religions. That belief in a subject that's so low in factual argumentation is what makes it faith.
I tend to see God as a combination of my own assumptions and my (not so strict) Christian upbringing |
bakkermaarten007
04.11.13 | When I see, hear of feel beauty in the world I think of God. When I see cruelty I think of humanity's own free will. Others would say there is no God, because humans have their free will with often cruel, selfish results. |
sniper
04.11.13 | that is not why people don't believe in god |
bakkermaarten007
04.11.13 | I hear some reasoning it as why. |
klap
04.11.13 | the existence of this list makes me doubt the existence of a just and benevolent god |
toxin.
04.11.13 | lol |
CoolNewGuy
04.11.13 | this list is like the bible, too long! |
ViralOblivion
04.11.13 | All religion is bullshit. |
CoolNewGuy
04.11.13 | Were you alive when Jesus was? |
witchxrapist
04.11.13 | I was. |
SitarHero
04.11.13 | Jesus is still alive...in our hearts. |
witchxrapist
04.11.13 | Nah, he dead. |
DeadStarShine
04.11.13 | Never got this: why judge the existence of God by the Christian God patterns or by any religion's patterns? The fact that there is a clear distance between God and us does not prove that It dooes not exist. It does nothing for us and the most you can prove with that is that It does nothing for us. Maybe It isn't such a caring God as Christians would try to make you believe. So, does God exist? Probably yes. Do I believe in God? Probably not.
“I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche |
Deathconscious
04.11.13 | why "probably yes" |
Kman418
04.11.13 | literally the 8th comment what did I tell you people |
Uranium
04.11.13 | God is the energy manifesting in the sun which drives life throughout the universe and that's it. Deal
with it! |
pissbore
04.11.13 | this is pretty much the best explanation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW7thMxpVWU |
Azn.
04.11.13 | "There's no such thing as a flawless God."
I thought the Christian god was supposed to be flawless |
pissbore
04.11.13 | andcas did u even watch the vid |
Calc
04.11.13 | "Give a God enough power and he will become the God from the bible"
people should read the bible (or do any sort of research) before they make ignorant comments like this. The old testament god and the new testament god are portrayed in completely different ways because both testaments were written by completely different groups of people. |
pissbore
04.11.13 | watch it |
Azn.
04.11.13 | That brings up another funny thing...
it's weird when people try to exclude parts of the bible and decide only the follow the parts that suit them.
It makes no sense; you can't just pick and choose your moral code from the bible |
TooLateToGoBack
04.11.13 | implying society would exist if everyone followed every word from each respective book of god as if it were utter gospel. |
Uranium
04.11.13 | Reading the bible just shows the error in the portrayal of God. It creates God to be an entity unsure
of its own emotional identity (one moment loves all, the next it hates all) which covets human
attention and appraisal to remind itself how good it is. I mean, that is more of a human idea of God
wrapped in human emotions rather than a superlative and truly pure God that stands beyond human
competence. |
pissbore
04.11.13 | oh btw i posted a vid that you guys should check |
zakalwe
04.11.13 | After death we will become part of one constant flowing mass of energy which has always existed. Will be bored off my tits if I'm conscious of it. |
ABjordanMM
04.11.13 | "where was god when i accidently stabbed myself in the scrotum with my handy leatherman dual knife and pliers set that i carry carefully concealed on the inside of my pants on my belt for easy access one night when i took my pants off a little too quickly"
Some of these posts were hilarious. |
pissbore
04.11.13 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW7thMxpVWU
^watch that |
zakalwe
04.11.13 | No Sonic that one's me. 9 parts atheist 1 part Snake Handler. |
CoolNewGuy
04.12.13 | "The old testament god and the new testament god are portrayed in completely different ways because both testaments were written by completely different groups of people."
You act like that supports the theory of God when it contradicts the theory, religious people love to claim that anyone that hasn't read the bible in entirety is ignorant when in reality a lot of people just don't want to waste the time reading something so obviously contradictory and archaic. Religious people use the word Truth and capitalize it like they are all special but no 2 zealots can agree on what truth is... in actuality all being religious is, or believing in any type of God, is saying "I don't accept the Truth as it appears, I make it up to make me feel good". |
SitarHero
04.12.13 | Well the new testament is a translation of translations of a selective compilation of various works written by various authors years after Jesus died and are not even all agreed upon as canonical by different sects.
But yeah, it's probably literally the word of god. |
amemento
04.12.13 | god is a good bloke but he's a bit like bush n churchill so idk |
CoolNewGuy
04.12.13 | So God purposely started wars by having people misinterpret the bible? |
SitarHero
04.12.13 | "So God purposely started wars by having people misinterpret the bible?"
Well, considering how Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same god and how many of them love nothing more than killing each other for being infidels, yes. |
amemento
04.12.13 | yes |
Uranium
04.12.13 | Many people can't handle that life is short, or that their lives are insignificant, or that life isn't
fair, or are afraid of everlasting punishment so they believe in God and a happy afterlife. But
honestly, where the fuck has God been for 2000 years? He just *disappeared* expecting every free
thinking mind to give up inherent beliefs and obey outdated scripture because said scripture says so. |
SitarHero
04.12.13 | ^You're confusing God with the Christian god. Scientologists seem pretty happy with how they're doing. |
Uranium
04.12.13 | Ya and L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer before a religious leader so lol |
Uranium
04.12.13 | I generally speak in christian pov since the majority of U.S. is christian |
PunchforPunch
04.12.13 | christians like smoky old pool rooms and clear mountain mornings |
ButteryBiscuitBass
04.12.13 | Agreed Base. Faulkner's imagination is just sooo childish |
SitarHero
04.12.13 | "Ya and L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer before a religious leader"
At least he was honest about it. Most religious leaders aren't. |
bakkermaarten007
04.12.13 | Baseline likes her coffee with single 'f'. |
bakkermaarten007
04.12.13 | I tease you because I love you. =D =D =D |
CoolNewGuy
04.13.13 | who is Chris Hitchenson? |
SweetCloset
08.07.13 | The son of God, a man that had the power to surround himself with hundreds of women choose 12 men to hang out with. 12 MALE Apostles gay |
jefflebowski
08.07.13 | of all the threads you could resurrect... |
treeqt.
08.07.13 | [quote]not gonna join in on this[/quote]
just wanna drop in and highlight the brilliance of this comment |
SitarHero
08.07.13 | It's funny how someone on SPUTNIK is passing judgment on the latent homosexuality inherent in hanging out with a bunch of dudes. |
LilLioness
08.07.13 | I think Sweet is just intent on trolling right now. |
SweetCloset
08.07.13 | Jesus had the power to be fuckin mad puss but chose meatrods instead i dont have the power |
SweetCloset
08.07.13 | Yah he had to make another alt |
jefflebowski
08.07.13 | unfortunately, banning him won't prevent his profile picture from haunting my nightmares |
SitarHero
08.07.13 | Maybe Jesus kept the puss on tha d/l like a true player instead of some n00b who advertises the shit out of getting halfway to first base. |
jefflebowski
08.07.13 | how is it even possible to get halfway to first base? brushing someone's chin by accident? |
LilLioness
08.07.13 | Come on, guys. Anyone remember Mary Magdalen? Of course he was getting freaky. The apostles were his bros. |
SitarHero
08.07.13 | @jeff, I think it's when you make accidental eye contact with a random stranger on the subway.
@Lioness, maybe Mary Magdalene wasn't a literal prostitute but just REALLY kinky. |
LilLioness
08.07.13 | Or both. ;) Bow chica bow wow. I mean, Jesus supposedly hung out with the outcasts of society. |
jefflebowski
08.07.13 | so you mean the whole 'nailed to a cross' thing was her idea? |
LilLioness
08.07.13 | It sure does make the Bible more...readable. |
SitarHero
08.07.13 | Yeah. Poor Jesus was so worn out it took him three days before he could get it up again. |
jefflebowski
08.07.13 | it's all one massive allegory for jesus' sex life! of course! |
Drummerboy123
08.07.13 | Wanna know why religion is still around? Paranoia.
If nobody went to Hell when they died then religion would've died out when evolution came around.
However, if you don't believe in God then you're gonna burn for eternity, which firstly sounds
ridiculous for a so called "omni-benevolent" God, but also, it causes people even in this day and age
to say
"What if it is true? I don't want to burn for eternity". |
SitarHero
08.07.13 | The Holy Trinity, because anything short of a threesome is too vanilla. |
Dunpeal
08.07.13 | drummerboy just summed up the meaning of life. thanks brosmith |
SitarHero
08.07.13 | Stop being such a vampire, Dunpeal. |
Dunpeal
08.07.13 | impossible |
JokineAugustus
08.07.13 | Giver
Of
Destruction |
jefflebowski
08.07.13 | 'The Holy Trinity, because anything short of a threesome is too vanilla.'
if they'd have sold religion to me ike when i was younger i'd be the motherfucking pope by now |
SitarHero
08.07.13 | Ha! You should check out the Children of God. It might just be your calling. They do missionary work, but not JUST missionary, knowwhatimsayin |
jefflebowski
08.07.13 | http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/If-you-know-what-I-mean-mr-bean-meme.png |
Drummerboy123
08.10.13 | Why are their loads of galaxies in the universe. Infact why the hell is their a universe? God made it for the lolz or something?
Could've just made Earth and the sun and be done with it all. Considering it took him 6 days to make earth, how long for other planets? |
ButteryBiscuitBass
08.10.13 | I believe in Hemispheres. |
Gnome7
08.10.13 | This is pretty dumb and only going to lead to arguments. Also your profile picture... jesus christ lol. |
Drummerboy123
08.10.13 | ""Give a God enough power and he will become the God from the bible" people should read the bible (or do any sort of research) before they make ignorant comments like this. The old testament god and the new testament god are portrayed in completely different ways because both testaments were written by completely different groups of people."
2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is God breathed.
God wrote the Bible, not men, therefore different writing styles isn't an answer to why the old and new testament are so different. |
someguest
08.10.13 | I wish that titty was just a little bit saggier. |
someguest
08.10.13 | Bumpin' uglies. |
Mister Twister
08.10.13 | Know what they say. Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day. But teach a man to feed a fish, and 'round and 'round we go. |
Suddy911
08.10.13 | nobody knows if there is a god or not |
Mister Twister
08.10.13 | ALIENS
Seriously though, it's pretty likely that aliens do exist. |
acorncheese
08.10.13 | i'm hungry |
ConorIsNotHere
08.10.13 | There is not enough significant evidence to proof the existent of any aliens, so I'll say I don't believe in aliens. However we have observed that life has already occurred at least once in this universe hence here we are. |
TrueBlood
08.10.13 | Not trying to play any sides but why do people attribute god as a murderer
How do we know it isn't man who murdered everyone? Like doesn't man pull the trigger during war?
Also, if people choose not to believe in god does that actually mean that he doesn't exist? |
ChuckyTruant
08.10.13 | lol conorisfail |
ConorIsNotHere
08.10.13 | How so my dear? |
ChuckyTruant
08.10.13 | Don't call me dear, you insignificant waste of flesh. |
ConorIsNotHere
08.10.13 | Aww, you're so adorable. Wanna a hug? |
none
08.10.13 | ur all scumsuckers |
Calc
08.10.13 | Do you believe in miracles?? |
ChuckyTruant
08.10.13 | Nope. |
Calc
08.10.13 | It's a famous quote from the 60's chuck I don't expect you to be so cultured as to know that. hmph! |
none
08.10.13 | nah he's too much of a dick wrangler to kno |
ChuckyTruant
08.10.13 | Nope was in response to Conor |
Calc
08.10.13 | oh...oopsie |
none
08.10.13 | this is how much i care
|
ConorIsNotHere
08.10.13 | Well, I'll be about if you ever want one. : ) |
Crymsonblaze
08.10.13 | I'd like to be able to, but no, not really |
none
08.10.13 | why wuld u like 2 be able 2
tell me about ur problms
jk idgaf |
zakalwe
08.10.13 | Faith vs rationality and logic. Faith will always win.
It's a case of what do you genuinely feel happens to you when you die and what would you like to happen based on human emotions of sentiment, love etc.
Live life with consideration, respect, tolerance, compassion, empathy and be non judgemental towards others and we will all be as God's.
Ironically due to religion it's a fucking impossibility. |
none
08.10.13 | religion is the wrst thing since aids
and aids is sum fuked up sheeeeeiiiiiitttt |
DominionMM1
08.10.13 | http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w9xYQ7L1izU |
jdennis31
08.10.13 | "I've got a confession: I'm in love with a man. "What?" I'm in love with a man. A man called God. Does that make me gay? Am I "gay for God"? You betcha." |
DominionMM1
08.10.13 | "I've got the good lord goin' down on me" |
jdennis31
08.10.13 | "Don't get all riled up about this scam or that scam, you know.
It's all a big scam, okay? Yeah.
But I will say this, the church's scam? It's a pretty good one.
It's effective.
Look at all the money these people are giving to the church." |
TenSecondsToThink
08.10.13 | I dislike religion but I also dislike people who call themselves atheists or agnostic. What's so hard about shutting the fuck up and let everyone do their own stuff?
LIIIIIIVE PEOPLE; LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE |
Gnome7
08.10.13 | "Laugh, Love, Live, Learn"
All good vibes people, live and let live. |
Mister Twister
08.10.13 | Repent for your sins
And pray for your life here and after
Let the fight now begin
It's in you all let flow and please send you cash in
You should have known
I need your money to fight the good fight
The seed is sown
There will be no light without the cash you got it right!
Let's join together and bask in the splendor
Of far better things
My high tech mercedes, my built in jacuzzi
My tenth diamond right
We are alone in this world
No divine force to say
Who lives and who will die
In God - in God we're trusting
In God - our lives we're investing
In God - our debt has been paid, still we are all laid to rest
Now brothers and sisters
I know what you're thinking believe me
It seems I have fallen
It was a phase I had strayed but I'm back with God now
You should have seen
Right through these words of deceit and false promises
A pack of thieves
Ready to rip off your need to believe
Turn up the sound on your tv
And you'll see what a fool really is
This pompous whale screaming and preaching
Then kneeling he goes into tears
Wolves in sheep's clothing
They're waiting for you
Twisting your mind
So you see how they see and believe
What they believe
In God we trust!
Also:
"It's hard not to argue with atheists when you know you are correct about God's existence. I'll just leave this to time and experience, since they can explain things a lot better than me."
I basically read that as "I'm right, I have no proof that I'm right, I won't explain why I'm right, there's overwhelming proof I'm wrong, etc., but I'm still right though." |
MosesMalone
08.10.13 | I met God on a bus once. He told me the meaning of life and gave me a pretzel. |
Crymsonblaze
08.10.13 | "why wuld u like 2 be able 2
tell me about ur problms
jk idgaf"
r u dum? |
MuhNamesTyler
08.10.13 | I'm a pastafarian, I believe in the almighty flying spaghetti monster |
evilford
08.10.13 | This list is officially the largest clusterfuck of retardation of all time |
Amphoteric
08.10.13 | Here at the edge of this world
Here I gaze at a pantheon of oak, a citadel of stone
If this grand panorama before me is what you call God. . .
Then God is not dead |
Mister Twister
08.10.13 | I'm a pastafarian, I believe in the almighty flying spaghetti monster [2]
You know, my friend actually did a presentation for religion class on Pastafarianism before, it was awesome. |
someguest
08.10.13 | WHY DO WE BREAK UP
THEN TURN AROUND AND MAKE UP |
jtswope
08.10.13 | George carlin sums up religion quite nicely. Basically it's bullshit. But I would never impose my opinions on someone else. Just don't tell me how I'm a bad person that needs to be saved. |
MuhNamesTyler
08.11.13 | @ Raisehell
haha that's funny as shit. I actually just heard about it like a week ago cause some guy protested at a DMV or something because they wouldn't let him wear his pasta strainer (cause that's part of the "religion") in his driver's license photo
http://blog.alm.at/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/FS_Philip_zensiert.jpg
he won. |
ZippaThaRippa
08.11.13 | Fuck every single person who has ever brought up Religion on this site. You all fucking suck. |
MuhNamesTyler
08.11.13 | do it |
lyon1535
08.11.13 | I'm getting some serious /r/atheism vibes in here |
Mister Twister
08.11.13 | I don't have an issue with religious folk, as long as they don't have an issue with the fact that I'm not one of them. My philosophy when it comes to stuff like that is that if you're getting on their nerves, they've done something to earn it. |
Acanthus
08.11.13 | Apatheism is the way to be. |
Crymsonblaze
08.11.13 | I'm honkytonktheist |
Mister Twister
08.11.13 | I just remembered that I can AdBlock that avatar. |
Rowan5215
08.11.13 | THE VOICES ECHO IN MY HEAD
IS GOD ALIVE OR IS GOD DEAD?! IS GOD DEAD?! |
wacknizzle
08.11.13 | I don't believe god but I believe in Jummauel(aka Jesus) and he only became a mistaken prophet of his intentions. The cycles of the universe takes care of things. God pfft! |
TrueBlood
08.11.13 | With time events become unveiled.
With 'time' I'm sure everyone's questions will be answered. Some may have them answered sooner, some later.
It is true, each person is accountable for their own actions, not those of another or a group. Whatever a person believes let it be in truth and not in ignorance. |
pizzamachine
08.11.13 | I believe in God, booyahhh! |
Mister Twister
08.11.13 | Again, that statement is basically "I can prove it, but won't." Which, from my point of view, is you avoiding the question entirely, and just making cheap insults.
I was raised Christian, but I decided to think about it and realized it doesn't add up, and that's why I'm Atheist. If you have solid evidence that God exists, I'm open ears. But evidence is not "You're an ignorant moron, fuck off, only I get to revel in God's glory", that's the exact attitude I would expect from someone like Fred Phelps. |
sideburndude
08.11.13 | lol people are taking this seriously. |
UnnamedOcean
08.11.13 | I used to be very active with the whole atheism thing, very critical of religions. I've since settled down a developed a much more positive outlook, looking to science and nature instead of bashing heads with faith. Keeps me happier. |
someguest
08.11.13 | Someone on NPR just said this in the comment section: "Being an atheist in America is like being the only sober person in a car full of drunks and nobody will let you drive."
Game over. |
Mister Twister
08.11.13 | I'm not taking this seriously at all, I just want to see what kinds of responses I can get from BaselineOOO. It's fun to watch trolls go ahead and try to troll when you aren't affected by their efforts. Trolling doesn't work when the person is aware of your efforts. |
chemicalmarriage
08.11.13 | this
is
fucking
stupid |
geasoftime
08.11.13 | Why is this still going on? God doesn't exist. Get over it. |
Drummerboy123
08.11.13 | WHAT IF THO!!!!!!????
i DoNt WaNnA gO tO hElL! |
Calc
08.11.13 | "Why is this still going on? God doesn't exist. Get over it."
this is why it's still going on. |
MisterTornado
08.11.13 | k |
KILL
08.11.13 | fuck ur god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
TooLateToGoBack
08.11.13 | hey, i remember replying to this thread months ago. also, 2edgy4me |
Mister Twister
08.11.13 | Fuck, he gave up already. I was enjoying his rational logic of why God exists.
*pout* |
frigyourgenre
08.12.13 | did hill get banned again? |
jdennis31
08.12.13 | "seriously u ignorant kids go watch breaking bad, get high or fornicate with strangers and other pointless things u all enjoy so much.." these all sound like fun things to do. just keep it safe! |
cirq
08.12.13 | Tread Lightly |
