ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | list is what came in the mail today yay |
WashboardSuds
10.24.12 | I recently shifted to more independent views. what were you before? |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | Before just never really thought about it, I'm just 17 and always thought I would be a republican because my parents are but nope |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | But I not a fan of the whole repub vs. democrats thing while other parties are basically obsolete. Its dumb |
WashboardSuds
10.24.12 | I grew up mostly around liberals, didn't care for the longest time, leaned more towards conservative views, now I'm in the middle |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | Yeah, my whole family is fairly conservative except for one of my uncles... So I may be shunned here soon haha |
sniper
10.24.12 | why are you a democrat |
KjSwantko
10.24.12 | : ) sweet stiuf washboard you ar ea true american |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | why not sniper |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | lol kj |
WashboardSuds
10.24.12 | ": ) sweet stiuf washboard you ar ea true american"
my tone of voice radar is malfunctioning what do you mean? |
sniper
10.24.12 | i used to say i was a democrat but i had never actually thought hard enough about what i would like the role of government to be. i don't like either major party because i don't think either is going to ever put forth economic policies that work, and libertarians undervalue regulation and i think are overly optimistic about human nature. but i'm extremely liberal socially so i will probably always vote for democrats over republicans. |
Atari
10.24.12 | I refuse to label myself as either republican or democarat fuk politics. |
KjSwantko
10.24.12 | I'm a Republuca, but Idgak, as long as you are supporting Metal it is all good!@ |
KjSwantko
10.24.12 | aGREED. As ;pmg as its one or the other who cares. |
Vespiion
10.24.12 | I'm pretty much as moderate as they come. |
WashboardSuds
10.24.12 | honestly I don't like to associate myself with any major party because people seem so quick to hate or dislike people with political views that oppose theirs so I'm more withdrawn I guess |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | Hmm. Well as far as elections go, each election is different and circumstantial, regardless of party. I do however agree that nothing will get done between Republicans and Democrats, its just gridlock typically, and very few people are persuasive enough to get some cooperation going. |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | lol kj are you high |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | *polticians are chode
fixed |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | Politics are actually pretty interesting, IMO |
WashboardSuds
10.24.12 | interesting yea, worth it, ehh.
prob sound pretty naive dont I? |
Ovrot
10.24.12 | 5 rules |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | Nah you don't washboard. That statement is pretty true, and my AP Gov teacher would agree with you |
Trebor.
10.24.12 | Registered as an independent
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ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | I haven't registered, but when I do, I'll do the same |
sniper
10.24.12 | a member of the independent party (lol at its name), or just unaffiliated |
Trebor.
10.24.12 | Well you're only officially a democrat when you register as one
But you just said you're registering independent so how are you a democrat I don't even |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | Ok well what I mean to say is, my political ideals lean towards a democratic ideology. Because I just officially found that out yesterday. But, independant to explain my disdain for the government lol |
Maniac!
10.24.12 | I'm voting for Johnson |
ChuckyTruant
10.24.12 | thats probably who i would if i could |
Rev
10.24.12 | i'm technically democratic so i can vote in primaries and such even though i'm actually independent |
AtomicWaste
10.25.12 | Registered Democrat to vote in the 2008 primary. That, and ever since, I've pretty much hated majority
Republican viewpoints (though, most of all, their seeming aversion to Science). Yup, I know plenty of
moderate Republicans and Republicans who believe in Science, but it seems like every time I hear about
a Republican candidate they renounce evolution. |
Trebor.
10.25.12 | I think you mean liberal when you say democrat
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Butkuiss
10.25.12 | American politics seem really strange to me. Is it true there's basically no chance that any independent or non-Dem/Repub candidates can get office, or is that just a misconception? How does all that actually work?
I mean, sure Australia is still fairly bipartisan with the Labor and Liberal parties (fairly similar to Dems and Repubs, respectively), but a bunch of other parties like the Greens, as well as a few independents still have enough of a voterbase to make an impact over here. |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | well yes trebs |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | yeah any non major party has little to no chance |
MalleusMaleficarum
10.25.12 | when i was your age, i didnt care about elections. i was too busy fucking scene bitches at TDWP shows.
youre a bright young man |
Butkuiss
10.25.12 | Is that because the voting spectrum outside Dems and Reps is too fractured to make an impact, or because Dems and Reps hold the vast majority of the vote? |
JackSparrow
10.25.12 | Parties are dividing and create a healthy atmosphere for selling out beliefs and favoritism. I am happily independent though I am very libertarian. Better to be the party that does absolutely nothing than the party that does harm, congrats on that. How glad am I that the first presidential election I can vote it is between two men without a clue |
TheDjehuty
10.25.12 | Vote no one. |
Motiv3
10.25.12 | 2 party dictatorship. |
Emim
10.25.12 | Ha "i can't vote yet but I'm a democrat" |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | agreed |
theartofdoom
10.25.12 | I was officially a member of the SS back in the day. Good times, good times. |
JAXETA
10.25.12 | well republican POLITICIANS are the fucken worst
so yea it doesn't matter really |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | im actually just missing the election by two weeks mimsy |
TheDjehuty
10.25.12 | What Motiv3 said. |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | yeah its very true
djehuty go back to your boxed wine |
GaryJohnson2012
10.25.12 | "Is that because the voting spectrum outside Dems and Reps is too fractured to make an impact, or because Dems and Reps hold the vast majority of the vote?'
Neither, its the democrats and the republicans setting up the system to keep the other parties out of the debates, out of federal campaign funds and especially out of the news. |
TheDjehuty
10.25.12 | LISTEN HERE CHUCK; I have none right now :C |
Azn.
10.25.12 | Ron Paul 2012 |
MalleusMaleficarum
10.25.12 | in all honesty Joe Biden should be pres |
toxin.
10.25.12 | I actually registered as an Independent when I had to update my residence so I can vote. Thought about being a registered Democrat and realized I dislike Democrats even though I'm liberal. I've read that conservative economic policy (e.g., lower corporate taxes, no capital gains taxes) works far better, anyways, and that Romney's plan is surprisingly good (but he's guaranteed to increase the deficit). I just don't like their attitude of abandon the poor for the sake of economic growth. And I dislike the Democrat party's line of "THE RICH ARE EVIL." Gets tiresome.
Still, Democrats are relatively better for civil and social rights (though they still suck) and foreign policy. I also like ACA, even though Romney's plan for preexisting coverage is better |
HitlerIsTheBest
10.25.12 | joining political parties is for dumbasses. |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | oh my should i go get some for you |
TheDjehuty
10.25.12 | YEZ, MOSCATO. :3 |
TheDjehuty
10.25.12 | Everyone should just not vote because that would be the most logical thing to do. |
SladetoBlack
10.25.12 | Psssh. Hopesfall is a total GOP band. |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | lol |
Cygnatti
10.25.12 | I used to be conservative but now I'm so far off to the left
I wouldn't say that I'm democrat though |
GaryJohnson2012
10.25.12 | @buitkiss
its the difference between parliamentarian and presidential governments, in parliaments you need 50%
of the votes to form a government so big parties have to combine with smaller ones usually if they
dont get 50% on their own. but thats not the problem with the US, the problem is blatant corruption
that becomes not so blatant when the repubs and dems own all the major media stations, control the
Comission on Presidential Debates that decides who is allowed to be on debates, and control the tax
payer dollars that go to campaign funding. |
JackSparrow
10.25.12 | Its not the rich's responsibility to pay for all the bullshit government did to rack up so much debt/deficit and suggesting so is retarded. Romney knows what he's talking about when it comes to business, but supply-side economics is retarded as well. The rich don't invest, they keep their money |
GaryJohnson2012
10.25.12 | the best thing to do is vote for anyone but republicans or democrats... a vote for them is a vote for slavery |
auberginedreams
10.25.12 | "I've read that conservative economic policy (e.g., lower corporate taxes, no capital gains taxes) works far better, anyways, and that Romney's plan is surprisingly good (but he's guaranteed to increase the deficit). I just don't like their attitude of abandon the poor for the sake of economic growth. And I dislike the Democrat party's line of "THE RICH ARE EVIL." Gets tiresome."
i agree, there is good and bad in both parties. i can't stand when people act like fanboys towards one particular party and refuse to acknowledge that there might be any merit whatsoever to any view that anyone from the opposing party holds. people treat elections like it's a football rivalry or something.
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Motiv3
10.25.12 | No president, senate or congress will be able to make a big change until the Federal Reserves monetary power is greatly reduced. |
JackSparrow
10.25.12 | Lol such as yourself, gary? I was strongly prepared to vote for gary johnson but I think its best I go with Obama this year. Its scary how much support Romney has. |
HitlerIsTheBest
10.25.12 | "people treat elections like it's a football rivalry or something."
and this is the problem with political parties. |
happyfunball
10.25.12 | Welcome to the fold. |
Butkuiss
10.25.12 | @Gary - I see your point about the faults of the presidential system, but how long have reps and dems had this monopoly, anyway? Surely it hasn't always been like that?
And yeah, Romney's policies on economics don't really make sense to me, at least. I can understand how reductions in taxes may in part spur on growth in businesses, but I don't understand how extreme tax breaks for the top income earners will be better for the majority of the population overall. Trickle-down economics didn't work in the 80s; what makes him think it'll work now?
That said though, cutting govt spending and scaling back some parts of government does make sense. But from what I can see, as an outsider anyway, most of Romney's points in the debates have just been "Obama is wrong and I will fix this" without ever giving details as to how. |
JAXETA
10.25.12 | gary johnson 2013
cus dis next prez gun be bad n stuff |
TheSupernatural
10.25.12 | I'm a libertarian, love Gary Johnson and Ron Paul. Republicans and Democrats are fucking ridiculous. Both parties are obsessed with beating each other, not with finding actual solutions.
Obama's bombed the shit out of people and no Democrat seems to care, while Republicans cry wolf about whatever they manage to pull out their asses. The current political system in America is a farce. It's much more for show than for actual change.
The worst part is when people decide to vote for a (R) or (D) even though they don't agree with either. They just prefer the "lesser of two evils". When there are other choices, and you vote for someone who you don't believe in, you're part of the problem. And if you believe in Obama or Romney, you're either naive or batshit crazy. |
bach
10.25.12 | I was raised liberal. |
DrMaximus
10.25.12 | In other words, you're now officially smart. |
someguest
10.25.12 | There's a lot of dumb liberals. |
someguest
10.25.12 | Yeah, should've been fascist. They get to play with gas. |
DrMaximus
10.25.12 | "There's a lot of dumb liberals."
True say, but even the dumbest liberal is still smarter than the smartest conservative.
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someguest
10.25.12 | "True say, but even the dumbest liberal is still smarter than the smartest conservative."
Are we just going to throw random bullshit from our own minds out into the wind, or are we going to deal with facts? |
JJwins
10.25.12 | People in America are fucking stupid. The Democratic party today is nowhere close to liberal when you assess their policies and compare them to the global political spectrum. In America, it works like this - you have the kind of conservative Democrats, and the retardedly conservative Republicans. There's no room for true blue liberals in America anymore.
FDR was that nigga (minus the whole Japanese internment thing), we need another REAL lib like that to step up.
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someguest
10.25.12 | Also FDR couldn't even walk how could that nigga RUN a country? |
DrMaximus
10.25.12 | "Are we just going to throw random bullshit from our own minds out into the wind, or are we going to deal with facts?"
I'm all for facts, thats why I'm not conservative.
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someguest
10.25.12 | You seem very intelligent, Dr.Mario. |
DrMaximus
10.25.12 | Thanks guest! You too. |
someguest
10.25.12 | Well he has gone from waving his dick around in the open air (Conservative) to tucking it between his legs (Liberal)
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Hyperion1001
10.25.12 | hahaha potsy |
someguest
10.25.12 | DAMMIT GUYS GIVE ME SOME ATTENTIONI |
Hyperion1001
10.25.12 | OK SOMEGUEST URS WAS KINDA WITTY 2 |
someguest
10.25.12 | THX |
peaks40
10.25.12 | politics is gay, anarchist |
sniper
10.25.12 | "People in America are fucking stupid. The Democratic party today is nowhere close to liberal when you assess their policies and compare them to the global political spectrum. In America, it works like this - you have the kind of conservative Democrats, and the retardedly conservative Republicans. There's no room for true blue liberals in America anymore."
false. there are plenty of liberals here, but none of them ever get elected. |
jakethecheezcake
10.25.12 | Politics don't matter one bit outside the atmosphere. |
menawati
10.25.12 | i was left wing until i got a job and started paying tax to support lazy workshy cunts and fiddlers saying they got a bad back and cant work for 10 years, am now just right of attila the hun |
someguest
10.25.12 | Lazy people =/= all people who need help. It's good to give. |
anarchistfish
10.25.12 | lol democrats being "liberal" |
someguest
10.25.12 | THE PROGRESSIVES
- Glenn Beck |
anarchistfish
10.25.12 | JJwins has got it |
ApplicationToHeaven
10.25.12 | its stupid how people apply such specific meanings to 'liberal' when it's such a vague term |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | its all debatable |
anarchistfish
10.25.12 | it's vague but it's not vague enough that you could consider the democrats liberal without completely nullifying it's meaning |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | ^ this is crap lol |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | yerppp |
anarchistfish
10.25.12 | "^ this is crap lol"
well then you might as well just not use the fucking word. What were you before? A fascist? |
HitlerIsTheBest
10.25.12 | "People in America are fucking stupid."
agreed, fuck america. |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | before i was nothing
and idk much of your understanding of american politics but you can be a democrat and not be liberal
or you can be a republican and not be conservative |
Funeralopolis
10.25.12 | libertarianism is the way to go
also romney > obama
#nohedidnt |
someguest
10.25.12 | they're both shit. romney stinks more though. |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | agreed and agreed someguest |
someguest
10.25.12 | We really need to quit neglecting our inner cities in this country. It's goddamn disgusting. Obama has done no better at fixing them. |
ChuckyTruant
10.25.12 | Nope, politics are cool but politicians suck. Nothing will ever get done because people just want to make gains for themselves. DC is a demonic machine, for sure. |
StagnantWords
10.25.12 | I work my ass off to pay for welfare and such programs, and yeah, there are millions abusing the shit out of the system, however, this being people's reasoning for being right winged is invalid. |
StagnantWords
10.25.12 | Agree with me or not, capitalism does not work in today's world. European countries governments are evolving become more socialist, and however the gains aren't massive, the United States is falling behind and we need to make some serious changes or we'll be a third world country in the coming decades. |
HitlerIsTheBest
10.25.12 | leech off of the government. raise the deficit. destroy the middle class. neglect the poor. cheapen the value of the dollar. |
ApplicationToHeaven
10.25.12 | socialism is the way to go |
anarchistfish
10.25.12 | "and idk much of your understanding of american politics but you can be a democrat and not be liberal"
that's my whole point
"or you can be a republican and not be conservative"
How? Why would you associate with a party which largely doesn't cover your views? |
Cygnatti
10.25.12 | "people treat elections like it's a football rivalry or something."
"and this is the problem with political parties"
this is also the problem with the nfl
like it's something worth watching when it's not
why not just play the game, a whole lot more fun than watching it |
HitlerIsTheBest
10.25.12 | "why not just play the game, a whole lot more fun than watching it"
exactly why i dont watch sports, its fucking boring. |
Funeralopolis
10.25.12 | Obama spends way more time picking apart what Romney does than actually tell us wtf he is going to do. Also Romney has better more direct approaches to fixing the economy. |
Cygnatti
10.25.12 | "if this president wins this election we are going to have a third world war"
"people in islamic countries will be dancing in the streets."
"the end of the united states as we know it."
how can people be allowed to say this in front of millions of people and get away with it? especially when none of them turned out true? |
ApplicationToHeaven
10.25.12 | romney appears to be detached from reality and lies chronically |
Cygnatti
10.25.12 | "exactly why i dont watch sports, its fucking boring."
agreed. I love football but all watching other's has done for me was make me fall asleep |
HitlerIsTheBest
10.25.12 | lol romneys not going to fix the economy. |
Cygnatti
10.25.12 | "romney appears to be detached from reality and lies chronically"
mainstream republicans* appear to be detached from reality and lie chronically
I would probably like to vote for romney 10 years ago than obama now but since romney is nothing like his old self... no dice |
anarchistfish
10.25.12 | used to pretty sympathetic to anarcho communism. dropped the anarchist bit a little later though.
none of that has any relation to my username though |
peaks40
10.25.12 | america sucks, and its a 3rd world country |
Cygnatti
10.25.12 | because all of the immigrants and muslims mang
white powah! |
GaryJohnson2012
11.02.12 | "Lol such as yourself, gary? I was strongly prepared to vote for gary johnson but I think its best I
go with Obama this year. Its scary how much support Romney has."
whats scarier is Obama adding 6 trillion dollars to the debt, signing the NDAA allowing the
government to arrest and assassinate American CITIZENS without a trial and having ANY support. At
least people have 'hope' for Romney, if you are supporting Obama at this point are probably way too
caught up in the 'lesser of two evils' bullshit the media propagandizes.
Hmm Hitler, Mussolini or Gandhi for President. Well two of them are complete fucks who have gotten
to the top by lying, giving special backroom deals and controlling the media, but hey the media said
dont vote for gandhi because he has no chance, sounds good to me, go hitler! |
GaryJohnson2012
11.02.12 | @butkuiss Reagan and Romney both have people they have to pay back, so we never see anything like true capitalism. True capitalism does work. but we just get crony capitism from dems and repubs. Romney pays lip service to the debt and cant name one thing he is going to cut because this is what career politicians do, cuts are exactly what we need and exactly what we will never get from either dems or repubs because their actions are literally dependent on whose voting for them, cutting off programs people use is not going to get votes, promising people 1trillion dollars more than our tax payers could even pay and adding trillions of dollars to inflate currency is what gets votes... Ron Paul had an outline for balancing the budget in three years by cutting mainly foreign aid and military bases in other countries from old wars like Korea, Japan, Germany and he could keep entitlements for the elderly that are dependent on them... if we keep paying 30 cents on average of every dollar benefit received for medicare/medicaid this country is doomed and its going to happen sooner rather than later. Everything Romney and Obama talk about cutting is BASELINE BUDGETING, they are talking about cutting INCREASES. so absurd. 'well i said a year ago i was gunna spend a trillion more than we have in 2013, but now im only going to spend 800 billion more than we have, thats a 200 billion dollar cut of the defecit!' uhh what? no its 800 billion dollar addition... its like yeah the country is gunna collapse and our currency is gunna be worth shit, but hey one of these guys is either giving me a tax break or a welfare check so. dems and repubs are both trains heading off a cliff, but people sure are excited to pick which route they will take to get to that same cliff. |
GaryJohnson2012
11.02.12 | "In America, it works like this - you have the kind of conservative Democrats, and the retardedly conservative Republicans. "
there is nothing even slightly conservative about either... they are both favoring 1 trillion dollar defecits |
GaryJohnson2012
11.02.12 | "libertarians are generally stupid too
"hey government is bad and material possessions are not that great WOW WHY WONT YOU GIVE ME ALL OF YOUR STUFF"
you obviously have no idea what a libertarian is... who has ever came out and said give me all your stuff? |
GaryJohnson2012
11.02.12 | u just have to look at 20th century history and see how well communism fared |
Trophycase
11.02.12 | Are you going to be as fucking obnoxious and loud about your beliefs as most liberals? |
Trophycase
11.02.12 | All Obama does is make sweeping statements that are more pretentious than LYSF. Like... did you actually say anything at all just now?
I just disagree with Obama fundamentally on most everything, it's really a shame Romney is a fucking idiot. Still haven't decided how I'm voting this year |
GaryJohnson2012
11.02.12 | the difference is almost nothing i said was a belief they are facts |
ChuckyTruant
11.02.12 | Are you going to be as fucking obnoxious and loud about your beliefs as most liberals?
No, I'm really quite a chill person. |
Hyperion1001
11.02.12 | you make the worst lists ive ever seen please stop |
ChuckyTruant
11.02.12 | and these are |