ChuckyTruant
10.08.12 | I listen to 3 all the time, just an example. But, really, what do you guys think?
Do you just not listen to those artists? Or do you ignore the differences and enjoy the music? |
WashboardSuds
10.08.12 | cue the "abandon your religion problem solved" comments |
WashboardSuds
10.08.12 | idk most of the stuff I like I dont have any conflicts like this with |
Cygnatti
10.08.12 | when I was 12, I not so secretly liked hollywood undead. never dressed the part though because I had no idea what they were like or who they portrayed themselves to be, just heard some of their music files. funny because such was the case of many other scene bands like bvb and attack attack! (I didn't know their image or music videos, etc) I just really didn't like any of them.
also, their videos lead me to links of older eminem songs so I'm forever thankful for that. |
mindleviticus
10.08.12 | So you're saying you haven't heard the black metal god Burzum? |
UnnamedOcean
10.08.12 | I'm instantly turned off by gimmicky bands. |
HitlerIsTheBest
10.09.12 | "Such as appearance, lyrical themes, the bands history, or perhaps the bands morals/values."
you are a fucking idiot if any of these things cause you not to listen to a band, except for maybe lyrics. sometimes they can be so bad that they ruin the music. dont care about the theme though. |
WashboardSuds
10.09.12 | "I'm instantly turned off by gimmicky bands."
yeah |
Insurrection
10.09.12 | i can kinda understand cannibal corpse, their album art is what turned me off from them in the first place. the rest i dont care, as long as the music is good i could give a shit what their lyrical themes are/how horrible of a person they are. |
cagedescending
10.09.12 | "I mean really? Is that artwork necessary?"
exactly the reaction they were going for lol |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | Calm down hitler. This list is me seeking advice. And what I mean by appearance is not how they dress but more of just the image they portray |
WashboardSuds
10.09.12 | well me being christian and all sometimes blatantly hateful and offensive lyrics or images turn me off, but also because I'm really turned off by shock value tactics in general |
ADM20
10.09.12 | Eh, I've never known an artist that I enjoyed who was really for something I was really against or vise-versa, so I can't really speak from experience. However, I think it wouldn't matter, most of the time. Yeah, if a band was using their profits to, I dunno, fund banning all gay marriage ever, yeah I'd avoid it. But if it's either something I care less about or they don't use their profits for that purpose, yeah, I'm fine with it. |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | I'm a Christian but I don't go to church, if that makes any sense
Imagery doesn't matter to me. If it has offensive religious topics but the musics good then I don't really care tbh |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | Yeah washboards, shit like that makes me feel threatened. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | Yeah throne, I don't go to church either. I believe that religion should be private |
Crymsonblaze
10.09.12 | Arcade Fire. They're incredibly annoying people, so it keeps me from enjoying their music to an extent. |
WashboardSuds
10.09.12 | "I'm a Christian but I don't go to church, if that makes any sense"
I always looked at church as just validation |
Butkuiss
10.09.12 | I'm just curious as to why Ihsahn not being a 'good man' would affect whether you appreciate his art. Case in point would be Wagner I guess; people still listen to him, despite his personal beliefs and actions, among many others. Same deal with Chris Brown really. |
Cygnatti
10.09.12 | "I'm instantly turned off by gimmicky bands."
I love gimmicky bands. At least in pop punk because it keeps it from being as homogeneous and boring as pop punk usually is. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | Yeah but Chris Brown hasn't burned churches and killed people. |
menawati
10.09.12 | when musicians use their popularity to try to makes waves in politics that really pisses me off and I would probably never buy anything of theirs again unless it was really amazing stuff |
WashboardSuds
10.09.12 | "when musicians use their popularity to try to makes waves in politics that really pisses me off and I would probably never buy anything of theirs again"
actually this pisses me off too |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | Yeah menawati that's the same for Ministry IMO. They've made like 5 political fuck-george-bush albums and they've all been kinda ehh.
Part of the reason why I don't listen to them anymore actually |
Calc
10.09.12 | if a band is racist |
Cygnatti
10.09.12 | "when musicians use their popularity to try to makes waves in politics that really pisses me off and I would probably never buy anything of theirs again unless it was really amazing stuff"
I've seen this a few times. What examples have you seen for this? |
cagedescending
10.09.12 | I don't actually _buy_ all that much music these days tbh, and the stuff I do purchase tends to be from artists whose beliefs and/or values hew pretty close to my own anyway. I'll download and listen to anybody though, regardless of what they think |
ffs
10.09.12 | lmao being a christian in 2012 |
Cygnatti
10.09.12 | but wait, what happens if the band was always very political to begin with? In that sense, don't you
think that would only be natural? |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | true |
lyzakthellama
10.09.12 | Ghost, sometimes their album makes me a bit uncomfortable haha great band though I wish it wasn't so preachy satanic wise |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | hmmm |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "Ghost, sometimes their album makes me a bit uncomfortable haha great band though I wish it wasn't so preachy satanic wise"
lol yeah this exactly |
Calc
10.09.12 | or if a band praises satan |
menawati
10.09.12 | cygnatti the main ones in my mind were sting and bono. Bands who make political statements in lyrics is fine loads do it but when those smug cunts use their popularity as leverage in politics whether the cause is a good one of not i want to punch them. |
drewcordova
10.09.12 | I can't listen to agit-prop like RATM. I'm politically to the right, but I can handle bands like Bad Religon because I find their views to be informed and respectable. I don't like foaming at the mouth ideologues (either right or left). |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | yeah calc there lies my biggest issue |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | omg bono..... |
menawati
10.09.12 | same with movie stars who do it, non-elected fucks thinking bcos they can act a bit their political opinion is important |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | yeah |
WashboardSuds
10.09.12 | for some reason political views opposite mine in lyrics never bothers me |
Thor
10.09.12 | all of these albums except 5 are pretty essential for metal fans |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | Some of the political themes can be cleaver but then some can be stupid |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | Wait, so you're a metal fan but things that are offensive keep you from listening to certain bands? That's insanely limiting, especially 'cause ya know, metal explores many dark and controversial themes that most other genres never really explore. |
Winrar
10.09.12 | When my metalcore friend links me a video, i would exit as soon as i see scene haircuts or brocore outfits. |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | I forgot to mention that I feel bad for you- being a metalhead with that mindset must be very annoying |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | 2 is essential? |
menawati
10.09.12 | fking geldof too - no real surprise that his career was in fking tatters when he decided to feed the world |
Cygnatti
10.09.12 | @menawati, well yeah but like my image is that of a band that was formed to make music and to spread a message that they all seriously believed in. they got popular enough so it's clear that people want to hear what they have to say. the only logical thing I can picture a band like that doing is seriously trying to make efforts to push for or to exact their intentions. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "When my metalcore friend links me a video, i would exit as soon as i see scene haircuts or brocore outfits. "
lmao winrar, when i get that ill listen for just a bit if its good music |
drewcordova
10.09.12 | "Wait, so you're a metal fan but things that are offensive keep you from listening to certain bands? That's insanely limiting, especially 'cause ya know, metal explores many dark and controversial themes that most other genres never really explore."
This. That's why metal is such an intriguing genre. |
Calc
10.09.12 | I thought 5 had anti humanistic views, like how humans are destroying the world. It has anti-christian views to? |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | @ Lucca - its not the biggest deal really. I've listened to 3 loads of times and am listening to 1 right now, and really the only genre that is widely affected is bm. and then just some other bands here and there |
menawati
10.09.12 | @cygnatti - many people dont bother listening to lyrics at all its the music that hooks them, so in my mind even if the band was formed only to spread a message they would be using leverage gained falsely |
Trebor.
10.09.12 | None that I can think of |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | @ calc - idk if theres anti-christian views in the music, but at least 1 of the members is anti-christian |
Calc
10.09.12 | "many people dont bother listening to lyrics at all its the music that hooks them"
this is me 99% of the time, but if I know going in that the band is either racist or praises satan, they aren't worth listening to |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | but trebor you have no morals |
MunsuLight
10.09.12 | I don't know, I'm a Christian but nothing of all you said in your list description really bothers me. Even if I believe in God, I'm a "free thinker" in almost every aspect of my life. I'm someone who can choose what I believe to be right compared to some Christians that are so closed-minded, it's horrible. So little things like that doesn't really matter to me if I enjoy the music. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | yeah, calc are you a christian? just wondering |
Calc
10.09.12 | @chucky
well that's not even rare anymore its cool to bash Christians now |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | I hardly pay attention to the lyrics. As long as the musicianship is catchy, uplifting, or badass then I"ll love it.
Yes, my standards for music are pretty low lol |
Crymsonblaze
10.09.12 | It's not that dark lyrics offend me, it's just that 99/100, they're written very badly. |
Trebor.
10.09.12 | "anti-political views"
What does that even mean? I thought they were a very political band |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | ahh wisdom from Munsu, I am honored to have you post in my thread haha. But yeah man I totally get what you're saying. I'm also a free thinker, which leads me to not adhere to Christianity in its entirety. |
Calc
10.09.12 | I am christian but my problem with bands praising satan is the fact that its cheap shock value. and it irks me that people have to try so hard to get attention. the satan thing is just one popular example of that. if I knew a band talked about raping babies i'd feel the same way |
Butkuiss
10.09.12 | Forgive me if I'm wrong, but did Ihsahn have any connection to the church burnings? I can't even remember. |
Turtlestlker
10.09.12 | I don't think you should give a damn about what what a band believes or what imagery they use. I'm by no means a Christian and I still love MewithoutYou. I also like some Burzum but I'm not a nazi that's a bit stab happy. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "What does that even mean? I thought they were a very political band"
Oh I meant something along the lines of anti-government, or extreme political views |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | Praising Satan isn't even really shock value in metal anymore, it's just apart of the style largely in black and death metal.
I'm not a Christian but I agree with Turtle |
Butkuiss
10.09.12 | Aaaaand potsy's here. < 3 |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "Forgive me if I'm wrong, but did Ihsahn have any connection to the church burnings? I can't even remember."
I believe he did, based on my reading awhile ago.
"I am christian but my problem with bands praising satan is the fact that its cheap shock value. and it irks me that people have to try so hard to get attention. the satan thing is just one popular example of that. if I knew a band talked about raping babies i'd feel the same way"
I agree, sometimes its just stupid. And, why do all satanic people(in music anyway) have to be so violent? If they were nice respectful people I'd have no problem with them. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | lol ok thanks for your input graham |
cagedescending
10.09.12 | lol pots |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "I don't think you should give a damn about what what a band believes or what imagery they use. I'm by no means a Christian and I still love MewithoutYou. I also like some Burzum but I'm not a nazi that's a bit stab happy."
Ok, cool. I can dig it. |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | "Why do satanic people have to be so violent? If they were nice respectful people I'd have no problem with them."
Dude, some people are violent assholes and some people are really great human beings who just love death metal. I've met plenty of bands who are the nicest most caring guys ever and just sing about Satan because it's metal or creates a more evil, horror esque atmosphere. Obviously it's going to attract some crazy people but human beings have a tendency to misinterpret everything. |
Crymsonblaze
10.09.12 | "Grow a pair chuck u sound like a 26 year old christian virgin who is worried about getting married because he's scared of losing his virginity to his virgin wife"
Main Entry:
virginity [ver-jin-i-tee] Show IPA
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: celibacy, chastity
Synonyms: abstinence, chasteness, cleanness, continence, honor, immaculacy, innocence, integrity, maidenhood, purity, restraint, sinlessness, spotlessness, virtue |
WashboardSuds
10.09.12 | "Grow a pair chuck u sound like a 26 year old christian virgin who is worried about getting married because he's scared of losing his virginity to his virgin wife"
lol |
Calc
10.09.12 | "Praising Satan isn't even really shock value in metal anymore, it's just apart of the style largely in black and death metal."
i believe this is a stereotype |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "Dude, some people are violent assholes and some people are really great human beings who just love death metal. I've met plenty of bands who are the nicest most caring guys ever and just sing about Satan because it's metal or creates a more evil, horror esque atmosphere. Obviously it's going to attract some crazy people but human beings have a tendency to misinterpret everything."
Ahhhh, well as you can see Lucca, I'm not very well versed in dm culture lol. But, this is a good thing to hear. |
menawati
10.09.12 | Beleiving that bands who sing about satan or black magic are bad people who actually beleive in all that shit is naivety in the extreme lol |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | How is it just a stereotype if 85-90% of dm/bm acts sing about Satan and violence? That's just kind of the description now, I don't think many people that know what the genres are are really shocked by it anymore. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | btw graham, I have no intentions of waiting till marriage to lose my virginity. Whether it happens between now and then, I could care less. |
MunsuLight
10.09.12 | Lol at wisdom.. It was just coming out of my mind like that. I listen to pretty much anything it's why your question got my attention :) And good to hear that you are a free thinker. Sometimes even if I dislike the lyrics from the bottom of my heart, I say to me that my views are so "anchored" in my that I will pass above that. For the one that kill people and put fire to churches, I'm disgusted, but I still listen to the music if I like it, but I will probably never go to a show of them. |
bach
10.09.12 | In regards to your comment on 6....... Very true. But, death sells. |
Turtlestlker
10.09.12 | "Why do satanic people have to be so violent? If they were nice respectful people I'd have no problem with them."
Who ever said this needs to learn a bit about Satanism and that any religion(or lack there of) can be filled with insufferable twats. |
bach
10.09.12 | I didn't know you were a Christian, either. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | @ menwati - by no means do I think every single person in BM or DM is a bad person, and I know most of them were awesome, honorable guys(Chuck Schulinder), BUT there are people like Burzum and Ihsahn that gives BM guys a bad name. |
Emim
10.09.12 | "you are a fucking idiot if any of these things cause you not to listen to a band, except for maybe lyrics. sometimes they can be so bad that they ruin the music. dont care about the theme though."
yeah this isn't hypocritical |
mindleviticus
10.09.12 | All of the bands listed here are amazing |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "Lol at wisdom.. It was just coming out of my mind like that. I listen to pretty much anything it's why your question got my attention :) And good to hear that you are a free thinker. Sometimes even if I dislike the lyrics from the bottom of my heart, I say to me that my views are so "anchored" in my that I will pass above that. For the one that kill people and put fire to churches, I'm disgusted, but I still listen to the music if I like it, but I will probably never go to a show of them."
Haha, well Munsu, you've always left a good impression on me, and are definitely one of the more intelligent people on the site. And I like your thinking, when it comes to artist's who do/say things you may not agree with. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | " "you are a fucking idiot if any of these things cause you not to listen to a band, except for maybe lyrics. sometimes they can be so bad that they ruin the music. dont care about the theme though."
yeah this isn't hypocritical"
thank you mimsy lol |
cagedescending
10.09.12 | i'm actually d/ling 2 as i type, that soundoff piqued my interest |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | I don't really look at (most) death metal and black metal lyrics as anything but music that would go great with horror literature or film. It's unsettling, scary, brutal...but I don't listen to it because I worship Satan and want to murder people or anything. That's just silly. |
JackSparrow
10.09.12 | I definitely feel the same way sometimes but I try not to let it get to me or stop me from liking the music. I mean I find the cover to Choking Victim's No Gods No Managers offensive but I can look past it and enjoy the awesomeness of that album. Don't care so much man. Hell I started loving punk when I was pretty conservative in my politics. It's no big deal. Unless you like Suicide Silence. Then its a big deal. |
bach
10.09.12 | "BUT there are people like Burzum and Ihsahn that gives BM guys a bad name."
I'm familiar with the whole Varg Vikernes fiasco. But, what did Ihsahn do? |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | They rip for sure @ Cage |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | Well yeah I gotchu, Lucca. but idk some topics I just can't ignore. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | Ihsahn has done some bad stuff, if I remember correctly. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | and lol @ jack - thanks for your input man, I value it |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | Yeah, I feel that
I guess it's hard for me to relate because I am not all that religious and was never really raised to think stuff like this is wildly offensive |
cagedescending
10.09.12 | "Unless you like Suicide Silence. Then its a big deal."
yeh that's just unacceptable frankly |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | Ahh yeah. My dad have a very stern and strict set of morals, so you can see my dilemma lol |
mindleviticus
10.09.12 | Cattle Decapitation are not anti-christian they're anti-HUMAN. They're hardcore vegetarians who
believe in human genocide. So you're making them look 100 times less worse than they really are. They
rule hard though |
SIMBOLIC
10.09.12 | Meh.
I agree wuth parts of science and religion, but i dont give a shit others' views are. Good music is good music |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | ^ this is true simbolic lol
and @ mindle - no, i've read interviews and one dude in that band IS anti-christian dude |
Trebor.
10.09.12 | Next thing you know you're going to tell me you don't listen to one of the greatest bands of all time Bad Religion because they're big science nerds |
mindleviticus
10.09.12 | They're the ant to the i |
TheSpirit
10.09.12 | wow you are a pussy |
Ssssssss
10.09.12 | Idk, I'm christian and it doesn't really bother me. I love stuff like Vital Remains, the whole anti-christian part doesn't deter me from listening to it. |
JackSparrow
10.09.12 | Good music is indeed good music. If a band is going to trash religion they better at least be good. I remember hearing that anti-christian Asking Alexandria song thinking "who the fuck takes this band seriously" |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | Hey I just saw Vital Remains like two weeks ago in Albany
Great show but by the time Viral came on there were like 15 people there lol |
Relinquished
10.09.12 | lol this list screams little girl |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "Next thing you know you're going to tell me you don't listen to one of the greatest bands of all time Bad Religion because they're big science nerds"
whats wrong with science |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | ^ yeaa system thanks man, that helps |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | I think I am just gonna disregard the differences from now on |
cagedescending
10.09.12 | "whats wrong with science"
it directly contradicts Christianity in many cases? |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | Just forget about it dude, seriously. If you like what you are listening to, then keep listening to it. Lyrical themes and imagery shouldn't matter if you like the music |
ThroneOfAgony
10.09.12 | "whats wrong with science"
it directly contradicts Christianity in many cases?
Oh god......here come the comments |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | "it directly contradicts Christianity in many cases?"
that doesn't bother me |
mindleviticus
10.09.12 | The whole idea of black metal is anti-christian lol |
Calc
10.09.12 | if anyone here was in that Birthrite thread that ended up being 600 comments long, this was all discussed before. |
mindleviticus
10.09.12 | I miss that guy *sniff* *sniff* |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | lol that dude was banned so hard |
Trebor.
10.09.12 | christianity contradicts science, not the other way around ffs |
mindleviticus
10.09.12 | people thinking that science vs religion is a debate lol |
cagedescending
10.09.12 | tomayto tomahto
wasn't implying anything about which was first. just saying, they don't exactly... gel |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | how is it not mindle |
mindleviticus
10.09.12 | because they're two completely different things |
Trebor.
10.09.12 | unicorns aren't real, evolution is
Dats why |
TheSpirit
10.09.12 | out of everyone in the black metal scene you choose ihsahn who didn't even get arrested or do anything at all really |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | not if they contradict eachother |
mindleviticus
10.09.12 | I find it funny how Noah in the story of Noah's ark lived to be 900 years old along with pretty much
everyone else as well. And they don't contradict eachother. One contradicts the other. But I'm not
going to go into another religion and science discussion again. The Birthrite one was big enough. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | did i mention that i don't really go by the bible |
YetAnotherBrick
10.09.12 | someone probably said this already, but i'm of the opinion that if the music's good, the music's good. the ideologies behind it shouldn't matter |
bach
10.09.12 | I feel religion debate comin' on! OH LAWD! |
Butkuiss
10.09.12 | Yeah, I really can't find anything on Ihsahn doing anything that you could consider horrible.
Ah well. At any rate, can this please not devolve into a youtube comments section religion debate? |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | That is certainly not what I want it to be |
TheSupernatural
10.09.12 | Rage Against the Machine because Tom Morello's a douche
And seriously religion? Thrice is my favorite band, and I'm agnostic. |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | Being agnostic and listening to a band that isn't really a christian band is different from being christian and listening to a person scream 'praise satan' |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | ^ yeah exactly.
and thrice isn't a christian band so idk what he's getting at |
mifzal
10.09.12 | anti religious themes were never a problem with me even satanic ones are fine. but the whole Nazi/ violence promoting bands i rather not give a glance at first place ! |
Hyperion1001
10.09.12 | christian music fucking blows satan makes way better shit |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | to each his own hype |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.09.12 | Yeah Satan does make much better music. And better films. |
JackSparrow
10.09.12 | Dustin's Christian beliefs are the basis of so many Thrice songs, nearly everything on Major/Minor. And "Image of the Invisible" is basically a Christian anthem |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | which is odd considering that not everyone in Thrice was a christian |
JackSparrow
10.09.12 | Speaking of Christianity the new ABR album came out 30 minutes ago so time to torrent that |
ChuckyTruant
10.09.12 | lol, its just the xmas instrumental album though. ill probably buy it and not listen until school gets off for xmas break |
JackSparrow
10.09.12 | I'll buy it when i get a chance, for now its time to jam to a metalcore rendition of Sleigh Bells fuck yeah |
StarlessAnd
10.09.12 | dum |
guitarnater
10.09.12 | Christian bros 4 life chuck |
