ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | 15/15 - Today will be a good day |
WeepingBanana
05.29.12 | dude i've never heard of Defeater are they good?! |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | but...but....ahh nevermind. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | What guano?
And yes banana Defeater is preyy awesome |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | dude, theres at least 3 metalcore albums here |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | No there isn't |
Evreaia
05.29.12 | Lots of really good ones. But also some metalcore and post-hardcore.
I'm seeing 15 live next month, I'm stoked. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Converge is not metalcore. Hardcore with metalcore leanings but still hardcore. And if youre thinking of Counterparts then no. Same as Converge |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | That'll be cool Evreaia |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Thank you for the introduction System |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | I didn't wanna be an uncle fucker about it, but most of these actually are metalcore. Sorry man. |
Shuyin
05.29.12 | so.. what about your death metal phase? |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | @ guano - lol no
@ Shuyin - it lasted about 3 hours |
owen
05.29.12 | Chuck wtf, Guano is right, black flag and refused are totally metalcore.
Shame on you for thinking otherwise |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | "No there isn't"
lmao idiot |
Evreaia
05.29.12 | Refused is hardcore as far as I thought.
Anyways, Fear Before is post-hardcore.
Also Chuck, have you heard Veils, Masakari or Celeste? You might like them and they're hardcore. |
WeepingBanana
05.29.12 | but really defeater aren't that good except for Lost Ground |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | @ Owan - o haha =]
@ system - nah man really never had a all out dm phase. But i do listen to dm on occasion |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | Dude, I'm really not trying to offend you or anything. If anything - Converge, Life In Your Way, Heart In Hand, It Prevails, and Counterparts are metalcore bands with heavy hardcore learnings. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | And yeah Eveaia I know Fear Before is post-hardcore sorta also but added anyway. And I haven't heard those sp I'll be sure to check |
J0ckstrapsFTW
05.29.12 | Needs some Ghost Inside and Obey the Brave |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | It's the other way around man, honestly. |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | Either way, it doesn't really matter. |
J0ckstrapsFTW
05.29.12 | Fuck ya Life in your way |
Trebor.
05.29.12 | Now you can graduate to indie/post-rock/emo |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lol Guano well I consider them hardcore. A lot of modern hardcore has metalcore leanings so yeah haha |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Oh ok thanks for the go ahead Robert |
owen
05.29.12 | To end the discussion about hardcore/metalcore.
Metalcore is short for metallic hardcore punk, so it's all hardcore punk. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | True that Owan |
MMX
05.29.12 | The Sputnik evolution is happening |
Spec
05.29.12 | Check out Ruiner- I Heard These Dudes Are Assholes
|
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Haha ok sweet Steve
And what MMX - what evolution? |
Wolfhorde
05.29.12 | evolution =/= revolution |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Oops. Meant evolution |
FearThyEvil
05.29.12 | Needs some Ghost Inside and Obey the Brave
No it doesn't.
Converge is pretty metalcore along with Counterparts. Regardless, I'll recommend some hardcore.
Kerouac-Cold and Distant,Not Loving
Departures-When Losing Everything is Everything You Ever Wanted
The Chariot-Long Live
Dangers-Anger
Touche Amore-To the Beat of a Dead Horse
Trap Them-Darker Handcraft
Verse-Aggression
Shai Hulud-Misanthropy Pure |
eternium
05.29.12 | Converge and Fear Before are metalcore. Counterparts is almost metalcore. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Yeah I've got Shai Hulud and Departures but I'll check the rest. Thanks man |
Bloodhail
05.29.12 | Pulling teeth
Trap them
Code orange kids
Full of hell
Hatred surge
Aus rotten
Masakari
Mnmnts
Loma prieta
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Satellite
05.29.12 | phase is the operative word. fuck this shit, just get on the ska bandwagon. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lol ok satty |
owen
05.29.12 | Yes listen to skatellite |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Hahha ok cool system |
Evreaia
05.29.12 | Also get some Remains Of The Day, Pulling Teeth, Oathbreaker and Native Wildlife. |
WeepingBanana
05.29.12 | Birds In Row - Cottbus
Bane - Give Blood
Unsane - Unsane
Weekend Nachos - Worthless |
Satellite
05.29.12 | Did you know that ska record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1996? If these trends continues... AAY! |
Spec
05.29.12 | Dont forget Dangers- Dangers. |
Satellite
05.29.12 | (+1000 satellite respect pts. to anyone who gets that reference) |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | Oathbreaker[2]
Definitely check that out. Female vocalist is a beast. |
TrainEngineer
05.29.12 | disco rocks |
Trebor.
05.29.12 | "Metalcore is short for metallic hardcore punk, so it's all hardcore punk."
umm no, metalcore is a fusion of metal and hardcore or post hardcore. I would never call attack attack hardcore punk. Most modern metalcore bands seem to only be influenced by metalcore bands so they have very little hardcore influences anyway and mostly gay modern post hardcore influences and that's the problem. |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | good hardcore [various styles and eras]:
Bane - Give Blood
Black Breath - Heavy Breathing
Cerce/Leer - Split
Champion - Promises Kept
Chokehold - Prisoner of Hope
Crossed Out - Discography
Cursed - I, II
Dangers - Anger, Messy Isn't It?
Deathreat - Consider it War
Disembodied - Diablerie, Existence in Suicide, If Only God Knew..
Extortion - Degenerate
Fingers Crossed - Self-Destructor
God Harvest - Demo
Harvest - Living With a God Complex
Hatred Surge - Deconstruct
His Hero is Gone - Monument to Thieves
Infest - Slave, No Man's Slave
Iron Lung - Sexless//No Sex
Kerouac - Cold and Distant, Not Loving
Left for Dead - Splitting Heads
Mind Eraser - Cave
Modern Life is War - My Love. My Way
More Than Life - Love Let Me Go
Nails - Unsilent Death
Pala - We Don't Exist
Pulling Teeth - Martyr Immortal, Funerary
Residuals - Grief
Scapegoat - Scapegoat
Snapcase - Progression Through Unlearning
Soul Swallower - Devoured
Tragedy - Vengeance
good metalcore [various styles and eras]:
7 Angels 7 Plagues - Jhazmyne's Lullaby
Architects - Nightmares
Between the Buried and Me - The Silent Circus
Botch - We Are the Romans
Burnt By the Sun - Soundtrack to the Personal Revolution
Cave In - White Silence, Jupiter
Converge - Jane Doe, When Forever Comes Crashing
Integrity - Those Who Fear Tomorrow
Kiss It Goodbye - She Loves Me, She Loves Me Not
Poison the Well - the Opposite of December
Rifles at Recess - To Whisper in Tongues
skycamefalling - ..to Forever Embrace the Sun
The End - Transfer Trachea Reverberations
The Secret - Luce
Coalesce - Ox
Curl Up and Die - Unfortunately, We're Not Robots
Deadguy - Fixation on a Co-Worker
Rorschach - Autopsy
Unbroken - live.love.regret
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FearThyEvil
05.29.12 | I completely forgot full of hell but I forgot one of my favorite hardcore eps that is literally only 5 and a half minutes.
Children of God-Coup De Grace
Shit is sooo fucking good and just chaotic. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Malleus that was the nicest thing you ever posted |
Satellite
05.29.12 | i pretty much adhere to the 2002 definition of metalcore (poison the well, botch, converge et al) because the shit you fucking kids slap that label onto now is terrible and confusing |
FearThyEvil
05.29.12 | Malleus fucking wins. Theirs a good amount in the hardcore section I should check out myself. Same goes to the very few in the metalcore section I don't know. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lol @ satty. To each his own. I like both era's. But thanks malleus. Biggest pile of recs I've ever gotten. Even though I have heard a fair amount of those |
MMX
05.29.12 | Yeah Malleus wins
He fucking rec'd The Secret, he wins by default |
FearThyEvil
05.29.12 | Nails - Unsilent Death
Isn't this more on the grindcore style? I know it has hardcore elements so it still fits though. |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | Good albums but a few like fear before, and converge aren't far from metalcore.
Fuck yes The Secret rules, Luce is the jam. |
MMX
05.29.12 | @FearThy I would say it's more of a grindcore style, but I've only heard a few songs from it and it's
been a while since I heard them. So I'm probably not the best person to judge it |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | "i pretty much adhere to the 2002 definition of metalcore (poison the well, botch, converge et al) because the shit you fucking kids slap that label onto now is terrible and confusing"
Amen....I think I have a crush on you. |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | i personally would never list Nails as grindcore but w/e |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | I'll check that too then |
MMX
05.29.12 | Oh and Check out
Skitsystem - Stigmata, Enkel Resa Till Rännstenen
|
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Ok cool. And MMX what is this evolution you speak of? |
MMX
05.29.12 | maybe not an evolution
more like a transition from metalcore to hardcore |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Ahhh I see. I will support the transition. |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | Yeah Chuck, there were alot of good metalcore releases you probably don't know about like Spitfire, Cave-In, Glass Casket, Harlots, The Bled, Genghis Tron, Embrace The End, As The Sun Sets, Ed Gein, From A Second Story Window, Johnny Truant, Ion Dissonance, and Gaza to name a few lol. |
MMX
05.29.12 | Chuck dislikes Gaza wacknizzle -__- |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lol. I know all those bands. And have listened to maybe 1/4 of them |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | Transitions. Chuck man, we should start a modern hardcore band under that moniker. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | I don't dislike Gaza. Just they didnt do anything for me |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lol I'm down Guano. I play guitar |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | fuck you guys, that name is actually sweet, if you don't use it I'm taking it lol. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Wack you can play lead guitar. I'm more a rhythm guy maself |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | And I can wail and moan like a banshee....this is souding promising. |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | Aight, I'm down, I've gotten alot better at writing leads in general. |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | i'll be the drummer, lyricist and groupie pounder |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | Thats cool, I've never been a big fan of STD's anyway. |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | hey wack, can you write leads like at the end of Cripple God by Burst? |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Sweet. Now who here plays bass. And who can do a hardcore scream/shout.
And also as long as I can do some cool tapping stuff I'm down wack |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | If you want, I'm all about wierd keys and harmonic minor. |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | forgot that im gonna be doin background vox as well. theyre gonna be nonstop. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | All right sweet. I love to delve into odd time Sigs and polymeters |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Haha thanks Flutter was wondering when you'd pop in here haha |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | a used to slap a lil bass back in the day.....oh when I thought Red Roses Forsaken was a cool band name |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lmao. Hey flutter you wanna be in our modern hardcore band also? |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | ten-piece hardcore band |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | I wanted to use the band name Ramona Cordova, but somehow someone thought of it. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Fuck yeah. We need 2 vocalists 1 drummer 3 guitarists 1 bassist 1 violininst 1 keyboardist and 1 flute player |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | Chuck The Man and the Little Willies Club |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Haha m/ |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | Definitely need some flute in there as long as it's in the vine of Jethro Tull and if anyone tries to use bassdrops it better be the real thing like a giant fucking timpani played by a real person. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lolol wack. Okay 11 members. A modern hardcore band in the vain of Jethro Tull that rivals Slipknot, Transitions. |
KSK1
05.29.12 | Love pretty much all of these. Sick list. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Thanks man. You wanna be the timpani player KS? |
KSK1
05.29.12 | abso-fuckin-lutely |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Sweet. Now we just need a violinist and 2 dedicated vocalists |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | And a keyboardist I forgot |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | Now we just need to get that kellerdeck kid or whatever her name is to be our publicist |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Hahahahahhah |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | We could totally get sputnik to promote us, get them to stream our album. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | For sure hah |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | But we need to think about our influences everyone pick 3 |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | 1. Refused
2. Oh Sleeper - just cuz intend to play guitar like Shane
3. Life in Your Way |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | Godspeed You Black Emperor and immediate win especially since we will have like 11 members. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Ok fuckin awesome |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Malleus will say PtW I'm sure |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lol Ikr flutter |
Bloodhail
05.29.12 | I'll choose your influences for you
Mr. Bungle
Current 93
Cheryl Crowe |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | O thanks man |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.29.12 | post-hardcore/post-rock/Cheryl Crowe....sounds awesome |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | 1. Botch
2. Converge
3. Minus The Bear, Mewithoutyou, Elliott Smith |
SnipeCity
05.29.12 | Now you can graduate to indie/post-rock/emo [2] |
KSK1
05.29.12 | 1.Defeater
2. THA (Nocturne album)
2. Taylor Swift |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | "Malleus will say PtW I'm sure"
yea |
Shuyin
05.29.12 | i need to check some of malleus recs, but i still think hes an ass. |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | dont check out my recs, shuyin
youre not worthy |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | ima make a list out of those recs, would prolly go over well |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | Except with Cave-IN Malleus missed Until The Heart Stops and Perfect Pitch Black which are both awesome as well. |
dathvada321
05.29.12 | Taylor Swift... m/
...i dunno guyz |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | It's not a bad list by any means but I see that same exact list all the time, the metalcore one atleast, they definitely are essentials but there are alot more that could be added. |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | dude... completely unncecessary to recomment multiple cave in albums. just recommend one and then if the person likes it they'll check out more |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Agreed. But make the list anyway malleus |
wacknizzle
05.29.12 | Uhh... but you did recommend multiple Cave-In albums and you picked an era by them where they sounded completely different, someone might like their old sound better. |
KSK1
05.29.12 | Chuck, I just added a band called Hollow Earth to the database. They remind me of Reign Supreme I think you might dig it. |
Shuyin
05.29.12 | yea, shut up and make the list, geez
|
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Ok I'll check |
KSK1
05.29.12 | Has former members of Shai Hulud they're pretty sweet. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Oh sick |
Adabelle
05.29.12 | Only heard 17 of the hardcore ones and 9 of the metalcore ones on your list Malleus, am i still entry-level? :( |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | 17/34 = 50%
9/19 = 47%
_________________
26/53 = 49%
FAIL |
Adabelle
05.29.12 | Miscounted, got 20 of the first lot, 20/34 = 59%, so 29/53 overall = 54% I claim not entry-level status |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.29.12 | i wanna see you hit 80% by the weekend, boy. |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Lemme see how I stack up. I bet like 40 percent lol |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | Shit nvm too embarrassing lol |
ChuckyTruant
05.29.12 | The list of recs malleus posted |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.30.12 | rofl |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.30.12 | flutter rules
his taste sucks tho |
MMX
05.30.12 | There is only like 7 or so I haven't heard from Malleus's hardcore list and only 2 from the metalcore one
Fuck I only have like 10 out of all those albums rated, I need to rate more of the stuff I listen to |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.30.12 | i say that to myself everyday
i should have like 5,000 ratings but instead i have around 300 |
MMX
05.30.12 | If I ever rate everything in my library I want a fucking Medal or something |
MMX
05.30.12 | 90% faux thrash
|
MalleusMaleficarum
05.30.12 | "if i rated everything i have heard it would be like 90% Thrash Metal and 1% to all the other genres"
youre fucking lying |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.30.12 | well fart...I'd have way too many ratings. And I'd have to revisit a bunch of terrible albums to properly rate them. |
MMX
05.30.12 | what about the other 9%? |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.30.12 | utilization of hyperbole acknowledged |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.30.12 | so basically a collage of feces |
PeterKlaven
05.30.12 | Get the new Love American album stat |
MMX
05.30.12 | If I rated everything (not that I ever will) in my library my Death Metal percentage would skyrocket |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.30.12 | hey flutter, what pop punk do you like? |
ChuckyTruant
05.30.12 | Cartel |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.30.12 | great ep, went downhill ever since. |
MalleusMaleficarum
05.30.12 | alkaline trio was pretty cool yeah |
ChuckyTruant
05.30.12 | Nah Chroma is beautiful |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.30.12 | ya chroma is pretty good, I don't know why I underrate it. I just do. And Alkaline are the tits....takes me back to being 12. |
ChuckyTruant
05.30.12 | Chroma = 4.5 and my favorite pop punk album |
ChuckyTruant
05.30.12 | Lol. Idk Honestly it's great
Yeah that's rig we're doing this again |
wacknizzle
05.30.12 | What about Say Anything, their pretty sweet. |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.30.12 | I guess I just see it like...Chroma has a few stand out really good sugary pop-punk..and I never really remember the rest. |
ChuckyTruant
05.30.12 | Agreed. But Cartel is so yrah |
wacknizzle
05.30.12 | I meant Saves The Day but yeah lol Say Anything is cool, heard the new album was garbage tho. |
GuanoBumbershoot
05.30.12 | SAVES THE DAY! I love you wack :) |
