I just remember their music videos being big skyscrapers and LA suburbs or something. I thought they had a whole American thing going on.

Wikipedia tells me they're Welsh. Never knew.

Definitely not the best Welsh band when Manic Street Preachers exists :D

Hell, I'd put Bullet for My Valentine over these guys too, as far as Welsh bands go

thats a joke right?

Lol there's no way you think bullet for my Valentine have ever done anything that comes remotely close to this album

'this site isnt v generalisable, for instance chevelle has more ratings here than on rym despite the latter site having way more users. for stuff like radiohead, metallica, hell even Can it's usually 8-10x more on rym'

I know it isn't, but I'd say it adds weight to the evidence they were of 'some significance' at one point, at least when coupled with my memory of their popularity. They were mainstream in the UK, something that doesn't always register here on Sput... yet here they are with 850-ish votes. A British band as well, one I didn't think had much reach outside of the UK.

and there are definitely good Welsh bands, lol

not necessarily the ones mentioned mind. mcclusky / FotL for a start.

Album Rating: 3.0

I remember the singles off of Liberation Transmission being pretty big when I was a kid. Can't remember the song but they had a music video that parodied a kids tv show, which obviously didn't age well, but I remember it being on all the time on the music video channels.

"thats a joke right?"

Sorry, I just never understood these guys' appeal even before Watkins' arrest. Just generic alt-metal trash, and I'd rather take an album like Scream Aim Fire over that tbh

nvm im dumb

This is generic alt metal trash but scream aim fire isn't... Right.

Keep in mind that I never grew up with this, so I have no sentimental value toward it. So to me, it just sounds really dated and typical of alt metal at the time

If anything, I'm kinda astonished that people still rate it so highly

proud to say I always thought these guys were trash, and I was 'there' when they were big (...maybe if I'd been a few years younger, then who knows?)

happy now Koris?

It's all good. I guess I just had a "am I the only one???" moment there, but I just never understood these guys' appeal back then :]

"nvm im dumb"

Don't worry, I know you originally referenced mbv ;]

to be fair I was an 'older teen' by this point, would've had more chance of sticking otherwise

I was definitely in the 'pretending to be cool' phase and these guys would've been an instant 'no' with that mindset by that point in my life, lol

to be young and stupid (yet somehow accidentally correct on this occasion)

ive been noticing more and more over the last decade or so people on the internet willing to be honest and admit that yea they still enjoy whatever band or genre they listened to as teenagers even tho many others think its cringy

i think thats a healthy attitude to have and im glad people are choosing this over empty posturing, at least as long as it doesnt devolve into "you just hate fun!!!" copouts when someone else disagrees

for me though...

> proud to say I always thought these guys were trash, and I was 'there' when they were big (...maybe if I'd been a few years younger, then who knows?)

this is how i feel bout most of those :]

I rate it highly because it's just good, honestly. It was an album I loved in high school but yeah, Ian is a disgusting pos but that doesn't ruin the music for me

well I'm not really proud of it park, as I say some of my decisions back then were instinctively based on appearances

which is weird because in some respects I was an outsider and didn't give a shit what other people did / liked, and these guys were not well liked amongst my peers

I guess it wasn't that I was influenced by my peers, more that I was a wannabe elitist or something and there just happened to be a cross-over where I inadvertently ended up agreeing with the consensus. I'm almost surprised I didn't try and be edgy by championing them instead

strange and confusing days

I like to look back and appreciate that the music I grew up listening to influenced the tastes I have now. Even if that seems abstract or hard to connect, it's all part of an evolving relationship with music.

Some of the music I grew up listening to, I will go back and enjoy. Sometimes I don't enjoy them quite as much as I did then. This band (their singles, at least) are hard for me to return to because of their unique situation with the frontman but I remember their choruses being memorable and fun.