Meshell Ndegeocello Peace Beyond Passion
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normaloctagon
Contributing Reviewer
July 2nd 2023


3958 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

good comment ars

normaloctagon
Contributing Reviewer
July 2nd 2023


3958 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

rip pb gonna paste ars' comment here



"What I find interesting is how she's able to use voices she doesn't agree with to show you why they're wrong. Like how on "Deuteronomy" she sings as someone who only cares about finding a man to love and serve, with great undertones of why this is basically self-dehumanization



Peace Beyond Passion, if anything, is wild with how modern it is politically. Atheist, feminist, LGBT (mostly just "Leviticus" and "Mary Magdelene"), and highly concerned with overcoming the historical struggles of the black community



The fact that 6 songs on here are Bible references is so interesting in an of itself"

Ryus
July 2nd 2023


36672 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

super interesting album thematically yeah. love this shit

ArsMoriendi
July 2nd 2023


40969 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Sometimes I wonder if modern artists are afraid of being this level of political because it's "cringe" not realizing it'd just be awesome

Ryus
July 2nd 2023


36672 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

not to mention the dumbass kneejerk reactions youd probably get nowadays from some of the lyrics on here and song titles

rabidfish
July 3rd 2023


8690 Comments


If this was more popular it'd be due for cancellation on language alone.

ArsMoriendi
July 3rd 2023


40969 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

She's bi and Leviticus is basically just about empathy for gay men, so I hope not :/

normaloctagon
Contributing Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


3958 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

“it'd be due for cancellation”



Not even a little bit. I’m going to assume you don’t live in the states? Meshell would be applauded for the stuff she says on this if it was more popular

ArsMoriendi
July 3rd 2023


40969 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Then again norma, at least in NY, a lot of people don't even like it when gay men drop the F slur, so a non-gay man doing it could cause some ruckus

ArsMoriendi
July 3rd 2023


40969 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

or should I say non-man gay

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


27418 Comments


Meshell is doing a ton of decidedly unfashionable things on this album. Whether her radical inclinations would serve to counterbalance that “in 2023” is an interesting question. But this album takes like under two minutes to start talking about how maybe Judas was better than Jesus. That somehow feels a far cry from today’s brand of provocation…

ArsMoriendi
July 3rd 2023


40969 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Meshell can call me the F slur anytime she wants



I give her a F slur pass









(a joke)

normaloctagon
Contributing Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


3958 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

“That somehow feels a far cry from today’s brand of provocation…”



The bit about Judas is pretty obviously tongue in cheek and serves to introduce the themes of inverted Christianity she presents on this album



Also today’s brand of provocation is decidedly anti-Christian/secular so I’m still not really getting your point here

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


27418 Comments


In terms of music? I dunno, it doesn’t feel like that many people do what meshell does on “the way”. I feel like people don’t really go there. In terms of music

normaloctagon
Contributing Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


3958 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

She’s calling into question commonly accepted (white) Christian doctrines (“praying to my pretty white Jesus”) people do that literally all the time in music

normaloctagon
Contributing Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


3958 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Just saw your second comment yeah agree

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


27418 Comments


Oop sorry

normaloctagon
Contributing Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


3958 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Wait did you delete it? Or are you just reposting it

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


27418 Comments


It’s a really complex song to me lol. I think the spark of what I described and Ars rightfully modified as that feeling of faith, that her relationship to religion isn’t /purely/ “negative” in nature, the uplift of the chorus, the fact that it make me wanna crey, somehow all points up that feeling I have in her music that she wants to think about the most intractable issues, the shit that people think thinking about won’t make better. “The Way” practically speaking fights a losing battle, issues forth a take that she must know won’t win the day. I have to think about it more…

normaloctagon
Contributing Reviewer
July 3rd 2023


3958 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Completely agree that her relationship with religion isn’t wholly negative and appreciate the nuance you perceive in her music here, think on my man!! The stuff here makes me emotional too. Mary Magdalene is an instant tear jerker for me



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