mewithoutYou Pale Horses
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JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 28th 2021


60303 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I mean, that was v explicitly an I disagree and not a you're wrong

no doubt a few years of international shite have opened up this album's palette and some of it's references, but I see it reduced to "that apocalypse album [that is now convenient for me to relate to]" far too often without serious engagement with where any of that is ultimately coming from. That ain't absent in Sowing's rev, and is good to see there!! But I think it's still v much worth unpacking

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 28th 2021


60303 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

and yeah tbh I'd probs jam either jam this or Feedbacker/Flood at the end of times depending on how much self-awareness I wanted lol

letsgofishing
April 28th 2021


1705 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"but I see it reduced to "that apocalypse album [that is now convenient for me to relate to]"



I deeply agree with this. One the things that really surprised while doing a deeper analysis of this record is how little of it is actually about any external apocalypse at all. This is a far more nuanced, sophisticated and overall personal work. But, if nothing else, I think Aaron caught something in the air about the world's affairs as well, and it's hard to argue that didn't deeply impact this record's concept and sound.

Kompys2000
Emeritus
April 28th 2021


9428 Comments

Album Rating: 4.2

Apocalypse jams hmmmmm



My kinda-joking-kinda-serious answer would be 1999 by Prince



Real answer is Going Places by yellow Swans, loud enough to make my ears bleed

Sowing
Moderator
April 28th 2021


43943 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"why did he relate so closely to visions old and new of armageddon" ultimately pack much more weight than "how do I relate to armageddon today", though the scope for preference is wonderfully open there"



I'm halfway between Jotw and fishing; I def don't think the events of the last 4 years or so can be understated in just how apocalyptic they were - at least from a Biblical standpoint, yet at the same time I did try to drive home just how personal the album is and that it's not so much an "apocalypse" album as it is an album about real life endings which he paints through the guise of an apocalyptic fantasy:



But Pale Horses' real magic isn't in its terrifying accounts of Earth's final hours; it's in Aaron Weiss' ability to take devastating real-life endings and illustrate them through the lens of a fantasy. By holding onto something so small, even just a joke shared long ago between a father and his son, Weiss is able to retain a piece of his identity that can't be taken away – not by a bi-annual mental collapse, not even by the apocalypse itself.



Def open to the engagement/disagreement/criticism though; I know my review starts off as a surface level explanation of why I related to this from 2016-2020-present, but I don't think that's where it ended up.

BigPleb
April 28th 2021


65784 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Can't decide whether I prefer this or Untitled tbh.

Sowing
Moderator
April 28th 2021


43943 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Same. I think I still prefer Untitled, maybe (?), but I can tell that this has aged better and will continue to do so, so I'm cognizant that it'll probably end up being my #1 mwY album now that their career is over and there are no new challengers on-deck

BigPleb
April 28th 2021


65784 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

This band has such a good discog, love everything I've heard.



Liking the updated take on the album btw, great read.

Sowing
Moderator
April 28th 2021


43943 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Thanks! I was trying to pull a Chan-rewrites-TDAG, but those are some lofty standards.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2021


60303 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

TDAG was a rewrite??

Re. Untitled, I think the other cinch is that I can queue up the best 4-6 songs from that alb without feeling like I'm missing out on much, whereas this is all about the full plunge. Am kinda mean to Untitled given how great it is, but it was probably the best case scenario possible for the worst '10s mwY album. What a great run

Scoot
April 29th 2021


22193 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

untitled is perfection, this is close

Sowing
Moderator
April 29th 2021


43943 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Yeah he had an awesome review that first drew me to the site then right around the time I made staff he had it deleted for the current one. Both are great, but I still miss that original sometimes.

Lucman
April 29th 2021


5537 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Oh very cool. This is the best mwY record.

Rowan5215
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2021


47595 Comments

Album Rating: 4.2

aight but Chapelcross Towns being left off this remains their single worst decision as a band tbh

letsgofishing
April 29th 2021


1705 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Where would you put it? The slots are well taken by Dorothy and Magic Lantern Days.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2021


60303 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Chapelcross Towns had an excellent verse progression but doesn't feel fully realised as a song (plus the taxes/spouses line would have been one of the weakest on the alb)

Defs wish they'd worked out how to close it beyond tacking the intro back onto the end / reworked it for the Untitled ep

Sowing
Moderator
April 29th 2021


43943 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I created this "Pale Horses 2.0" playlist in 2017 and it seems relevant to share now:



1. Pale Horse

2. Watermelon Ascot

3. D-Minor

4. Mexican War Streets

5. Chernobyl, 1985*

6. Red Cow

7. Dorothy

8. Blue Hen

9. Lilac Queen

10. Chapelcross Towns*

11. Magic Lantern Days

12. Birnam Wood

13. Rainbow Signs

14. Fairfield*



* = additional track

Rowan5215
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2021


47595 Comments

Album Rating: 4.2

I would have swapped Chapelcross in for the slog that is Birnam Wood personally

rufinthefury
April 29th 2021


3963 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Good reminder to listen to this again. Easily their best project

letsgofishing
April 29th 2021


1705 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Am i the only person who'd put Birnam Wood as one of my very favorite mewithoutYou songs?



Yes. I already know the answer to that. Yes, I am.



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