Trivium What the Dead Men Say
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TheSpirit
Emeritus
October 1st 2021


30304 Comments


"this band has not done anything cool since in waves"

in waves is not cool

AlexKzillion
October 1st 2021


17283 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"this band has not done anything cool since in waves"



the something and the something



necropig
October 1st 2021


7409 Comments


the elder scrolls, wtf

0GuyMan0
October 1st 2021


4636 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Saw them open for Megadeath the other day, and I've been thinking about it a lot. I've come to a conclusion, after hundreds of events attended, and a hundred~ish played myself...



That was the worst setlist I've ever seen.

AlexKzillion
October 2nd 2021


17283 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Holy shit yeah that setlist is yikes... literally zero 2000s material lmao



Kinda can't blame them though in that they are essentially touring two new albums and they only get a seven song set. Shit even Megadeth is only playing like 10 songs.



I feel like those types of tours sound awesome on paper but in practice they're kind of a let down because each set is so short.

0GuyMan0
October 4th 2021


4636 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I feel for them on the touring two new albums thing, but dude. Pick one from each album, play the hits.



We were supposed to have In Flames on this tour. Hatebreed is good as a hype-up band, but that disappointment, followed by the trivium letdown, was setting up for a very poor return-to-live-shows for me.



But, after declaring that it was their last chance with me after 10-15 live shows(due to five or so years of very poor setlists of their own), Lamb of God absolutely fucking crushed it. Completely saved the show.



And imo, it's not hard to satisfy on these big summer tours. A couple of my earliest concerts were floundering glam bands in the early 90s at state fairs. They played the hits, played the best new track they had to offer, and everyone left happy. Again, IMO, you don't play lots of new tracks at live shows unless you're the headliner or it's your most successful output.

Mythodea
October 4th 2021


7457 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

well, their last two albums have typically been among their most successful, but I get your point

thedoom
October 4th 2021


570 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Having atleast one older song in there would‘ve been good, but honestly, if bands have new material I‘d want to hear it live. Just playing the same songs all over is boring as fuck.

thedoom
October 4th 2021


570 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Also, I will never understand how Heart from your Hate became one of their most popular songs, it‘s so awful.

kalkwiese
October 4th 2021


10443 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Fart From Your Face is pretty bland, yea. Some good parts and bits, but not a good song

AlexKzillion
October 4th 2021


17283 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"Again, IMO, you don't play lots of new tracks at live shows unless you're the headliner or it's your most successful output."



Completely agreed, though Trivium is in a really weird place where the new stuff sort of is their most popular/successful output despite being such an old band with a lot of "classic" material. Matt's foray into Twitch has given them a huge second wind in relevance, and I think there really are a lot of fans at this point who think "Trivium? They're my shit man. Strife and Catastrophist are my jams dude".

0GuyMan0
October 4th 2021


4636 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

That's a valid point.

thedoom
October 4th 2021


570 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

I really doubt Matt‘s twitch has much of an effect on their relevance. It’s more that this and The Sin and the Sentence were surprisingly solid compared to the two albums that came before.

Mythodea
October 4th 2021


7457 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

The Defiant into Sickness Unto You is a great sequence, tho

0GuyMan0
October 4th 2021


4636 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

The Defiant is probably my favorite Trivium song since In Waves.

AlexKzillion
October 4th 2021


17283 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"I really doubt Matt‘s twitch has much of an effect on their relevance. It’s more that this and The Sin and the Sentence were surprisingly solid compared to the two albums that came before."



I mean I prob exaggerated it a bit but his channel has 230k followers, which is much larger than a lot of artists who are easily bigger than Trivium irl (Mike Shinoda, Skrillex, Ronnie Radke are some I'm aware of, obv not an expert on this lol).



The man has streamed nearly every day for like four years now, and I guarantee it's created a ton of new fans out of people who never liked them, never heard of them, or not even metal people in general.



I bet it has also gone a loooooooong way in creating TRIVIUM fans and not "Ascendancy and/or Shogun are good everything else sucks" types and fair-weather fans who only know "In Waves" and "Dying in your Arms"... as well as shaking off the sorta negative stigma they had in the 2000s and making haters warm up to them a bit.

AlexKzillion
October 5th 2021


17283 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

One thing that stuck out to me just now: Trivium is opening for Lamb of God right now, which obviously makes sense right now as Lamb of God is obviously the bigger band. Right?



Trivium right now has more Spotify listeners than Lamb of God (2.0mil to 1.6mil)... which indicates Trivium is prob far better at picking up younger/newer fans for one reason or another, while a large chunk LoG's obviously larger fanbase is prob an older crowd still listening on CDs or youtube or some other less modern means. Really interesting to me.

0GuyMan0
October 5th 2021


4636 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

You might attribute that to several things though - LoG's output for a decade now has been largely 'meh'. Maybe one or two songs per album are on the level. Their best is clearly behind them, and I don't think they really have been making many new fans.



Trivium is doing their most interesting work *since* 2010. And yeah - his stream popularity almost guaranteed leads to a ton of streams. New / younger fans stream hard.





Groundking
October 8th 2021


2280 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

New album rips, their best work.

Toondude10
October 8th 2021


15186 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

agreed, might be aoty for me



never thought they'd be able to top Shogun but alas they made the achievement



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