Fishmans 98.12.28 Otokotachi no Wakare
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SublimeSound
February 18th 2021


105 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"I also love Ceres and Calypso in the Deep Time"



Hell yeah. Love that album. Fuzzy and brilliant - like a technicolor dream come to life. Kinokoteikoku puts out some incredible dream pop as well, on the topic of *Japanese* Dream Pop. Beach House, of course, is great as well.



But Otokotachi No Wakare tops all of them. Its pretentiously long, but its length is justified - I gave it a 5 for a reason.



fite me.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
February 18th 2021


60316 Comments


Heaven Or Las Vegas
Macaroom - Homephone TE
Souvlaki
Long Season
Ceres and Calypso
7
Kinoko Teikoku - Eureka
Dots - Points
m b v
She Hangs Brightly












all other Beach House
Coldplay

thank you for coming to my tedx on garden shed or pseudoJapanese dream pop

GhandhiLion
February 18th 2021


17641 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Coldplay

BaselineOOO
February 23rd 2021


2470 Comments


@SublimeSound: yeah yeah, in fact early Kinokoteikoku is the only Japanese dream pop band I truly like : )

parksungjoon
February 26th 2021


47231 Comments


huh, of rym's top albums this one has the highest average of them at all, one of only four at 4.3x

GhandhiLion
February 26th 2021


17641 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Yeah, but is it higher than black saint

parksungjoon
February 26th 2021


47231 Comments


the average yes, the ranking no (17 vs 12)

parksungjoon
September 27th 2021


47231 Comments


A good culture reinforces good virtues. And it shows in the behavior of the citizens. Good virtues like modesty, moderation, cleanliness, hard-work, and wholesomeness. Politeness is a huge deal in Japan. People bow and smile to one another. And whoever doesn't will stick out like a sore thumb. Cleanliness is a huge deal in Japan. The streets are super and clean, and so are the interior of their houses. Cleanliness and politeness are just super ingrained in their culture. Japan is a good example of a high civilization that looks like a high civilization.

America reinforces excess, edginess, trashiness, silliness, laziness, vulgarity, and violence. If you look at American media, it makes perfect sense. Hip-hop and rock music is full of bragging. Music subject matter includes swearing, partying, being rich, acting silly, addressing haters, and just living a wild hedonistic lifestyle. Drake, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Miley Cyrus, Nirvana. You take a walk in the streets and see people flaunt the most ridiculous looking outfits. Hollywood is full of violence and torture. Hostel, Saw, Halloween, Final Destination, Requiem for a Dream, Joker. Violence is glorified. It gets celebrated when an upcoming movie is announced to be rated R. You look at the 7 deadly sins and they're all glorified in American media. It's no surprise that America has by far the highest count of serial killers in the world. And it's no surprise that guns are legal in America. It's no surprise that Americans are the fattest among first world countries.

Demon of the Fall
September 27th 2021


33657 Comments


'huh, of rym's top albums this one has the highest average of them at all, one of only four at 4.3x'

The system is flawed. The whole volume weighted thing is only important/necessary when confronted with releases of significant obscurity (or perhaps 'relative', as defining 'significant' is erm, taxing). When you're talking about the more well-known releases with larger sample sizes it starts to fall apart. 20k ratings vs 40k? By that point, who cares?

I've noticed Funeral made the top 100 of all-time despite having a 3.97 average, for me that shouldn't happen. Black Saint should be higher, it has enough ratings - it shouldn't be 'punished' for having less total rating/listeners, that's the fault of the community, not the music itself.

Yeah anyway, I don't tend to check live recordings but maybe I will check this. I like this band.

parksungjoon
September 27th 2021


47231 Comments


not sure what u mean by volume weighted

Demon of the Fall
September 27th 2021


33657 Comments


Isn't RYM's rankings dictated by the sheer volume of ratings? So a release with a lower average can (and sometimes is) ranked more favourably than one with a higher average. I'm saying this is a good thing, sometimes, but not when you start hitting the heady heights of thousands upon thousands of ratings. Why does it matter that Black Saint has a 'mere' 20k ratings vs 60k for OKC? (or whatever example you want to use).

parksungjoon
September 27th 2021


47231 Comments


>Isn't RYM's rankings dictated by the sheer volume of ratings

nope

its a weighted average

Demon of the Fall
September 27th 2021


33657 Comments


How is the weighting calculated exactly then?... as in what criteria is used to assign a value to an individual (or collection of) ratings.

parksungjoon
September 27th 2021


47231 Comments


they do not disclose how albums are ranked in order to prevent tampering

as for individual users:

your ratings can become deweighted if your distribution is either too high (see users who have almost or entirely 5s and nothing else; also users who have almost or entirely sub-2 ratings) or if you are caught participating in what they deem to be targeted tampering/manipulation campaign/other malicious activity/etc

new accounts require some time and a certain level of activity to become weighted (by default they are not)

accounts that havent been active in years become (at least partially?) deweighted


Demon of the Fall
September 27th 2021


33657 Comments


That's way more complicated than I had imagined. Some of that sounds reasonable, although I still find it hard to believe that Arcade Fire's funeral was 'liked' by such a truly select and upstanding group of elite users, thus vaulting it into contention despite it's 'paltry' average. Lol. Maybe their undisclosed weighting reasons are more sinister?

Funeral is good by the way.

I like RYM's database, although I will probably never use it for ratings despite it being way more comprehensive than Sput (unless this place dies it's final death one day).

BaselineOOO
September 27th 2021


2470 Comments


Shinji Sato was the Steve Jobs of dream pop

TheBarber
September 27th 2021


4130 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Melt Banana is the Elon Musk of japanese music

TheSpaceMan
September 28th 2021


13614 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

ive been saying that for years

z00sh
January 17th 2022


631 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

In the air 💖

LeddSledd
August 4th 2022


7445 Comments


that explains why I don't like Melt Banana



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