Toby Driver Madonnawhore
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Astral Abortis
April 17th 2017


6731 Comments


Nah not really like coffins at all

BigPleb
April 17th 2017


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Damn that sucks, in love with that record.

Asdfp277
April 17th 2017


24275 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

not at all



edit: damn late

Astral Abortis
April 17th 2017


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Found the interview I read where I thought he said Library Loft wasn't a solo album. I did indeed misconstrue his words:

"Only if Tzadik is going to release something. In The L..L..Library Loft is only called a Toby Driver solo record because that’s kind of the Tzadik Composer Series’ policy (see how Mick Barr’s Octis album on Tzadik is called a Mick Barr record and not an Octis record, etc etc.. there are many other examples like that on Tzadik). I think it was a fluke that the first Kayo Dot album was able to be released as Kayo Dot and not as Toby Driver. Anyway, In The L..L..Library Loft features all the members of Kayo Dot of that era… there’s no reason why that *couldn’t* be called a Kayo Dot album, other than the fact that the instrumentation precludes us from ever playing any of those songs live (and I suppose there was no collaborative element whatsoever). Stuff I’ve worked on since 2005, outside of typical Kayo Dot, has been called Tartar Lamb.. but TL is basically Toby Driver solo composition in the same regard as Library Loft."

Satellite
April 19th 2017


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"Review Summary: Toby Driver opens his mind and heart in Madonnawhore: a stripped down, intimate affair of dreamy compositions to lose yourself in."

don't end sentences w/ a preposition.

Asdfp277
April 19th 2017


24275 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

don't end sentenc

Astral Abortis
April 19th 2017


6731 Comments


don't end sentences w/ a preposition.

Following arbitrary rules is what breaks strong writing and separates good writing from great writing.

The greatest writers in history broke convention.
Don't feel doomed to follow meaningless boundaries.
Language is malleable, ever-changing, evolving.

Bad comment, neg.

Spacesh1p
April 19th 2017


7716 Comments


Yeah but it does sound like an incomplete thought, as propositions are words that indicate relativity. Rewording the sentence wouldn't be an offense against progressive writing styles.

"Review Summary: Toby Driver opens his mind and heart in Madonnawhore: a stripped down, intimate affair of dreamy compositions in which to lose yourself."

I think that sounds better.

Asdfp277
April 19th 2017


24275 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

it doesn't

Astral Abortis
April 19th 2017


6731 Comments


Oh I absolutely think that sounds better and would have written it that way myself, but as a writer who frequently mistreats the rules of formal writing, I just like to play devil's advocate and defend "improper" writing.

Spacesh1p
April 19th 2017


7716 Comments


@Asssfsjdt
You're welcome to formulate your own opinion!

Asdfp277
April 19th 2017


24275 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

it sounds forced

Astral Abortis
April 19th 2017


6731 Comments


I don't get how

Spacesh1p
April 19th 2017


7716 Comments


"I just like to play devil's advocate and defend "improper" writing. "

Yeah totally fair, we get enough formulaic writing on this site already. That's why I don't really contribute. I'm not good at much aside from academic writing.

Spacesh1p
April 19th 2017


7716 Comments


"it sounds forced"

What makes you say that? Genuinely curious.

Asdfp277
April 19th 2017


24275 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

cuz the perceived 'improvement' in flow and quality is not enough to justify changing a perfectly valid sentence, of common use, making it seem like you're changing it for the sake of following arbitrary syntax rules

Spacesh1p
April 19th 2017


7716 Comments


"cuz the perceived 'improvement' in flow and quality is not enough to justify changing a perfectly valid sentence, of common use, making it seem like you're changing it for the sake of following arbitrary syntax rules"

Sure, but I'm not saying he has to change it, just that I would have written it in the way I described in my original post. I read that you're evaluating the act of changing the sentence rather than the two options independently, if that makes sense.

Asdfp277
April 19th 2017


24275 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

yeah but the context is there, people reading will know that there was another option and everything else, it ok tho

AnimalsAsSummit
April 19th 2017


6163 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

i feel like with plastic house toby is on the verge of something truly groundbreaking and not connected to any preconceived genre explicitly



this however has its roots in post rock, sounds like something ive heard many a time, and the melodies don't have any serious intrigue.... feeling disappointed given his usual standards, but i get that this is the route he wants to go

TalonsOfFire
Emeritus
April 19th 2017


20969 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

Interesting discussion here. I lean toward the side of bending writing rules when I feel it's necessary, and am aware whenever I end sentences with a preposition. Even though beginning a sentence with "and" or "but" is also generally frowned on, it can still be done if warranted.

I learned a while ago that the official organization that decides these things change the rules every few years anyways, especially with how to use quotes in essays for example, so it's not like all of these things are set in stone.



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