MrMatt767 actually takes the time to discuss things, and I admire him for that. Enjoying reading the conversation here, though I don't have much to add

generally the lower the post count, the longer the post the user writes. something about this site kills your drive to elaborate and discuss shit normally lol

Album Rating: 2.5

This is a surprisingly good thread considering the review it's for

Album Rating: 1.0

"This review is an absolute disgrace! Under Pressure is one of the most refreshing albums in years! The story is real logic tells his story on the album and it is structured extremely well! how are you going to criticise someone for telling their own real life story? yes the album is similar to Good Kidd Maad City but LOGIC acknowledged that it was an influence! Are you going to criticise Hopsin for his sound being similar to Ems or J Coles being similar to Nas or Tupac? Or criticise chris brown and Justin Timberlake for dancing like Michael Jackson! Logic is influenced by many artists and these influenced him into the artistv he is today! he spit fast and slow he can harmonise! he makes club songs, straight rap songs, he makes slow melodic songs! he's unique! He's Logic"



i just cant stop laughing at the last sentence. HES UNIQUE HES LOGIC. buahah

Album Rating: 3.0

"generally the lower the post count, the longer the post the user writes. something about this site kills your drive to elaborate and discuss shit normally lol"



smae

Album Rating: 1.0 | Sound Off

Dan get outta here with those silly comments. Listen to Logic, then listen to Kendrick, then read the review, then read through the last couple pages of this thread, and then come back if you would like to get in on the conversation, because you're way off.



lol @ post count correlation to elaboration, it's pretty real. niggas get jaded out here pretty quick, thankfully it's not on KTT's level tho.



Matt: I'm a bit busy atm, but I'll come back to this thread to respond in a few hours.



Happy Halloween everyone!

Album Rating: 4.0

So let me get this straight.



Logic releases an album that only vaguely sounds like GKMC and you give it a 1.



Droog releases an album that sounds so much like Nas people think he IS Nas and you give him a 4.1.



Logic indeed...

"Droog releases an album that sounds so much like Nas people think he IS Nas and you give him a 4.1"

Sounding like Nas =/= replicating/plagiarising something Nas has made. If the piece of work is distinctly itself, and not a mere emulation of someone else's work, then it's not plagiarism is it?

EDIT: now i commented on this, rip thread. also, haven't heard the album, so i'm not calling this plagiarism or anything, just making a distinction

Album Rating: 2.0

^no, you were right.

Album Rating: 4.0

"Sounding like Nas =/= replicating/plagiarising something Nas has made. If the piece of work is distinctly itself, and not a mere emulation of someone else's work, then it's not plagiarism is it?"



He replicated NAS. His sound, his style, his flow, the album was so Nas like people thought it was Nas.



Plagiarism means taking from another's work without attribution. Vague emulation is not plagiarism in any sense of it, especially when the intent is aesthetic rather than informative. Otherwise quite literally every single album released in a given style is "plagiarizing" the albums that came before it. Kendrick did not originate ANYTHING on GKMC. Not a single thing.



I'm not a huge fan of this album, and I didn't really like GKMC either. I like 'em, but not enamoured with them. It just baffles me that a guy can shit on an album for several paragraphs for being derivative when he also praised someone else for sounding exactly like another artist.



For the record, "distinctly itself" does not work if it sounds so much like someone else's work they actually argue that it could be made by that person. Just because it didn't sound exactly like Illmatic or God's Son doesn't change the fact. If anything, Droog's case is SIGNIFICANTLY worse because it left people thinking they were hearing Nas, whereas absolutely no one hears this and thinks it's KDot.



I'm just baffled at the double standard.

"Plagiarism means taking from another's work without attribution."

"For the record, "distinctly itself" does not work if it sounds so much like someone else's work they actually argue that it could be made by that person."

-But does it sound like it was made by Nas, or does it resembles something Nas made?

"Droog releases an album that sounds so much like Nas people think he IS Nas and you give him a 4.1."
Thing is Nas doesn't suck

fuck off with these essays

Album Rating: 4.0

I have listened to both artists plenty of times and read the review and all of the comments.



You clearly listened to this album looking for similarities to GKMC and picked it apart. There is plenty about this album that is different that you completely ignore because of a somewhat similar flow in TWO songs, the structure of the song under pressure (which Kendrick wasn't the first to do anyway) and the overall concept of the album being an anecdote about where the artist was from/growing up.



Logic has many different styles throughout the entire album and the production (which Logic helped with on most of the songs) is completely different. The overall sound is nothing like Kendrick's - who Logic has said many times was an influence anyway. Giving a decent album a 1 and then saying you are defending the genre is a joke.

smh

Album Rating: 4.5

Gotta be honest, GKMC was an album with about 6 songs (on the non-deluxe version) that, to me, had replay value due the lyrics being fun and creative, but the hooks made the songs what they were. Being a person who has listened to the catalogs of the greats, I didn't understand what made GKMC so good, and honestly, I still don't get it. I like Q's and Ab-souls albums better and I enjoy Logic's even more than those. I never enjoyed his mix tapes and I agree with the "one trick pony" comment, however I think his album showed how varied he can be not just in his lyricism but his production ability. Also, if you really think that 2 rappers can't rap about their tough life growing up and also know how to producing a song around the lyrics, and the products sound similar, I believe your being short sighted. This review honestly just sounds like K-dot nut-hugging under the cover of bringing down another artist. Also, having listened to both albums intensely over the past few days, because of all this GKMC comparison (which is not Logic's fault more Lupe Fiasco's for bringing up the two in that interview with Ebro and Rosenberg) I have found that these albums don't really have anything in common other than truly showing how talented lyrically and mechanically wise these to rappers are. The even more showing part is that this is Logic's debut album, while GKMC was not Kendrick's first album. Logic's voice is also very enjoyable to the ear naturally while Kendrick seems to be constantly changing his voice to keep it fresh. I expect a lot coming up from Logic, and don't misunderstand me; Kendrick and Logic are bright stars is what I hope will be a rekindling to the 90's competition between rappers to be the greatest, of course without the violence of that time. The album was a solid 9/10.

"you can write a brilliant essay but if you plagiarize even one part of it and turn it in, that's a hard 0."

In university, you can be expelled and worse.

Album Rating: 4.0

"In university, you can be expelled and worse."



In the real world it's called copyright infringement and if Logic had actually done it there would have been a lawsuit. For a real world example, Huey Lewis sued Ray Parker Jr because the Ghostbusters theme sounded too much like New Drug. Metallica and a bunch of other bands have been sued for plagiarism before.



People here have no freaking idea what plagiarism is and they're throwing it around here with complete ignorance. Logic doesn't sound anything like KDot, they have different flow, different voices, different perspectives, different stories. The ONLY way you could call these two projects the same would be if you just realized that both are wordsmiths with a penchant for introspective songs and just wanted so damn hard to prove that they're the same. It's the equivalent of when Apple and Samsung sue each other because one says "THAT DEVICE IS RECTANGULAR JUST LIKE OURS!!"



The review is just terrible. It starts out with a thesis and cherry picks the absolute hell out of things in order to justify it. And like I said, I'm not a huge Logic fan. This is my first actual exposure to the guy but the review piqued my interest and I just started laughing at how bad the review is.



Think of it like this. You guys keep talking about university papers and stealing ideas, but if the elements that are "stolen" from the paper are in no way unique to either paper then there is no plagiarism involved. If someone writes a paper about animal cruelty and then I also write a paper on animal cruelty, unless you can show that there are ideas SPECIFIC to your paper that I clearly stole VERBATIM, there's no plagiarism. If the two of us come up with things like "kicking puppies is bad", it doesn't matter that you say it and then I say it.



If you write a whole book about how voter participation is important to foster change and two years later I do the same, unless you can pull out paragraphs in my book and show where they MATCH paragraphs in yours, there's no plagiarism. You don't own the concept of "book about voting" simply by virtue of having done it. Go into a Barnes and Noble and notice how you'll find hundreds and hundreds of books all taking VERY similar topics and concepts. Guess what? They don't all cite one another because THAT'S NOT HOW PLAGIARISM WORKS.



Damn.

>implying