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Cloudcity
October 29th 2014


110 Comments


Fuck Logic

Alkemest
October 29th 2014


316 Comments


That Under Pressure music video was pretty sick, but if that same style is all he can do... meh.

Rooney151
October 29th 2014


1 Comments


This review is an absolute disgrace! Under Pressure is one of the most refreshing albums in years! The story is real logic tells his story on the album and it is structured extremely well! how are you going to criticise someone for telling their own real life story? yes the album is similar to Good Kidd Maad City but LOGIC acknowledged that it was an influence! Are you going to criticise Hopsin for his sound being similar to Ems or J Coles being similar to Nas or Tupac? Or criticise chris brown and Justin Timberlake for dancing like Michael Jackson! Logic is influenced by many artists and these influenced him into the artistv he is today! he spit fast and slow he can harmonise! he makes club songs, straight rap songs, he makes slow melodic songs! he's unique! He's Logic

Slex
October 29th 2014


5515 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

Pretty sure you can criticize every artist you named for multiple reasons beyond what you said

Fuck Logic

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SharkTooth
October 29th 2014


13948 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

"Are you going to criticise Hopsin for his sound being similar to Ems"

people do that, a lot



"or J Coles being similar to Nas or Tupac?"

don't know about him



"Or criticise chris brown and Justin Timberlake for dancing like Michael Jackson!"

naah peolple criticize chris brown more for dancing like Usher



"he spit fast and slow he can harmonise"

"spit fast" =/= "good" tbh

Diglett
October 29th 2014


1607 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

i criticize hopsin for making the same song 5000 times

the drop-a-comment-and-disappear users have this awful tendency to listen to like three artists

Lord(e)Po)))ts
October 29th 2014


40873 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

kind of a retarded review dude. I mean I don't really like Logic that much and I have yet to hear this but saying its a good album and then 1'ing it because it 'desecrates hip-hop' is just stupid. that doesn't reflect anything except the fact that you think its plagiarism with all intents to make money off another artists success. this is especially dumb when you talk about 'biting' and how this goes against everything hip-hop is and disrespects its 'cannon' when it doesn't at all. of all genres out there hip-hop artists appropriate their predecessors work both musically and lyrically as homages and reinterpretations and shout-outs literally all the freaking time. they immortalize the words of other rappers by 'plagiarizing' them. on top of that, hip-hop at its very earliest started with tonnes of sampling which is just further appropriation to bring up. so to assume Logic is just trying to bank off kendricks success and to say all this bullshit about how wearing your influence on your sleeve as a rapper is taking a crap on hip hop is kind of retarded and this entire review just doesn't work at all. would neg hard.



at least you convinced me to listen to this! i wasn't going to before.

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jsaf7
October 29th 2014


386 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

While i'm completely aware of the obvious Kendrick mimcry this album has to offer, i still enjoyed the album quite a bit. To me, sounding very similar to other artists doesn't necessarily negate the artists' credibility... Although his lyricism and wordplay isn't always perfect or anything, i did still enjoy his flow, and production... however, i do think that Logic needs to do some revamping to his sound, and do something more original if he wants to maintain his fan base past like 2 albums... Cause you can only put out so much of the same stuff before people get sick of it.. Same with artists like Hopsin. And while i do think hopsin is entertaining, he really needs to think about upgrading his songs stylistically, or maybe just try something a little different. While i woudn't go as far as to say he makes "the same song 5000 times", I really think it would help him to be more creative... I do think Raw and knock madness are both allright though.

And decent review.

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Emeritus
October 29th 2014


6680 Comments


idk where I stand on what lordepots is saying tbh. I think the review was a fun read and pretty ballsy, but... meh. I guess Aziz came across as 'on a mission' rather than trying to deliver a fair review.

betray
October 29th 2014


9387 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

it's a fine review, it's very far from unbiased though

MrMatt767
October 30th 2014


558 Comments


This sounds really similar to the review Fantano did on the album just a few days ago, except instead of accepting the derivation as a flaw--but a surmountable one--you give this the lowest rating possible? Not sure I quite understand that, sure the album as a whole is one that lacks ingenuity, creativity or any real sense or originality, but surely logic isn't the first artists to do this. Likewise, this quasi-hip hop premise (that logic is desecrating hip hop, wtf?) is just bullshit. Like other posters have said, of all genres, hip hop appropriates sounds/beats etc. perhaps the most--to claim that Logic is just grabbing anything that works/has worked in the past and mashing it into a lucrative money-making scheme is unfoundedly preposterous. Honestly, from my purely subjective standpoint, this is a really poor review. Some users have said it's just fun, but really, what's fun about it? You're just bashing an artist for one, surmountable flaw. By your own admission this is ("plagiarism" aside) a good record, so why apportion it a 1?Actually, in reading the "justification" you've given, this is perhaps the most unfounded 1 I've ever seen on this site, congratulations. Would neg.

GnarlyShillelagh
Emeritus
October 30th 2014


6385 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0 | Sound Off

Potsy:



saying its a good album and then 1'ing it because it 'desecrates hip-hop' is just stupid.




Why? On a formal level I don't see anything wrong with that - peep the [implicit] analogy of the first post in this thread; you can write a brilliant essay but if you plagiarize even one part of it and turn it in, that's a hard 0. It's the same with this album. Yeah there are some good tracks, and Logic is not a bad rapper on the whole (and these are points I would certainly express in a casual conversation about the positives of the album), but if you accept the analogy to a plagiarized paper (and it doesn't seem like you or anyone else has taken issue with it so far - let me know if that's an unfair assumption to make), then regardless of whether you think it's stupid, logically it's fair.







this is especially dumb when you talk about 'biting' and how this goes against everything hip-hop is and disrespects its 'cannon' when it doesn't at all. of all genres out there hip-hop artists appropriate their predecessors work both musically and lyrically as homages and reinterpretations and shout-outs literally all the freaking time. they immortalize the words of other rappers by 'plagiarizing' them.




i think 'biting' as a concept goes beyond the scope of what you're saying here. Everything you're saying here is true and verifiable (Jay has used 4891048 B.I.G. lines) but the limited scope of utilizing but a single bar is what justifies it. If I as a rapper borrow and incorporate someone else's line into my song, it's generally acceptable because it's often either a verbatim quote or very obvious what I'm doing if you know the bar. And if you don't know any better, it's a single bar of my verse - the bar is a minor constituent of the work as a whole (the work in this case being the song). This is something that's been tacitly, if not openly, approved of for decades in hip-hop, as you've noted.

GnarlyShillelagh
Emeritus
October 30th 2014


6385 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0 | Sound Off



What hasn't been approved of is actually lifting an entire song/concept (and in this case, concept is a strict term - everyone has gun verses or 'i fucked that bitch' verses, but the concept for this kendrick song is pretty original, and has much more to it) - the work as a whole, to make the argument more explicit - and claiming it as your own. I know that Logic is a fan of Kendrick, and has mentioned many times that UP (album) is his version of GKMC, but he hasn't said anything about taking Kendrick influence for the title track. If you haven't heard it, I'd urge you to listen to it so you have a better idea of what exactly it is that I'm talking about (it's the soundcloud link in the review, starts at 3:14), as well as Kendrick's song 'sing about me' so you can see the comparison for yourself. Biting as an idea expands past simply borrowing a bar here or there; it's very much plagiarism in the sense of wrongfully appropriating another's work and calling it your own, and that's clearly what Logic has done on this song, as he's yet to admit any similarity between his song and Kendrick's, and he's clearly profiting off of it - he sold 73,000 albums in this first week, and many of his fans on facebook, youtube, soundcloud, other boards, etc call the second half of the title track their favorite part of the album. Clearly these people are unaware, because surely the gravity and impressiveness of the song is diluted when you're familiar with Sing About Me.



on top of that, hip-hop at its very earliest started with tonnes of sampling which is just further appropriation to bring up.




I'm just going to nip this in the bud real quick, because I've seen a lot of comments in which people assume I'm coming at Logic for sampling, and it's honestly a little ridiculous that I have to even address the sampling issue but I will. A sample that makes the album means that the artist/label was granted permission from the sampled artist to sample the song. It's like a citation in an essay, it's completely acceptable.



More importantly though, I never once said that Logic sampling Kendrick was biting; I just mentioned that he sampled Sing About Me and then made Sing About Me over that sample. The part that is biting is the lyrical content, style, delivery, etc, not the sample. The sample only serves to make it even more clear what Logic is doing.

GnarlyShillelagh
Emeritus
October 30th 2014


6385 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0 | Sound Off



to say all this bullshit about how wearing your influence on your sleeve as a rapper is taking a crap on hip hop is kind of retarded




this is also something that I never said. I mentioned that he wears his influences on his sleeve, yes, but never did I make the connection between that and the 'taking a crap on hip hop'. The only thing that takes a crap on hip hop is the biting. Like others have mentioned in this thread, countless rappers are heavily influenced by others, and there's nothing morally, ethically, legally, or even inherently wrong with that (not finding your own lane can be a hindrance to your career though).



In fact, now that I go back and read it, I explicitly stated that there was nothing wrong with wearing his influences on his sleeve -- read this again:



Logic from the album’s outset systematically name drops his favorite artists and brands their influence onto his sleeve, hoping to ‘benignly’ retread their successes as his own. In today’s climate of rap, where a dearth of originality plagues hordes of artists, Logic’s recipe isn’t inherently flawed




I implied that it was fine in the first sentence, but then I make it explicit when I say that the recipe isn't inherently flawed, so to go back to your claim, that 'to say all this bullshit about how wearing your influence on your sleeve as a rapper is taking a crap on hip hop is kind of retarded,' I agree with this. I just never made that point, so it doesn't exactly apply to this review.



I don't mean to come off as a dick or condescending in this response (although given the tone of your comment a little attitude may have slipped out - hey, I'm a prideful guy), and if you have any responses I'm happy to hear them/dig deeper into this argument.



To everyone else: Sorry if you had similar comments to what Potsy had, it's been a busy day and his was the most recent/lengthy comment, so I responded to that. If you had similar concerns/thoughts/comments to what he had, I hope that I've responded to your thoughts too, and if I haven't, please voice them to me again and I'll be happy to respond when I get a little time. Anyone and everyone is welcome to this argument, even if you're just here to play devil's advocate.

deathschool
October 30th 2014


23249 Comments


That retort is longer than the review. Dude's not fucking around.

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Zvne
October 30th 2014


2 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

A 1 because it sounds like something else lmao worst reasoning ever

PostMesmeric
October 30th 2014


742 Comments


Definitely an interesting reasoning to 1 an album. Haven't heard the record myself, so I can't vouch or anti-vouch, but that was certainly an entertaining review.

Lord(e)Po)))ts
October 30th 2014


40873 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

I'm just going to nip this in the bud real quick, because I've seen a lot of comments in which people assume I'm coming at Logic for sampling, and it's honestly a little ridiculous that I have to even address the sampling issue but I will. A sample that makes the album means that the artist/label was granted permission from the sampled artist to sample the song. It's like a citation in an essay, it's completely acceptable.



More importantly though, I never once said that Logic sampling Kendrick was biting; I just mentioned that he sampled Sing About Me and then made Sing About Me over that sample. The part that is biting is the lyrical content, style, delivery, etc, not the sample. The sample only serves to make it even more clear what Logic is doing.




im not assuming that at all. im just saying that hip hop is literally based on appropriation so saying that appropriating other artists is taking a crap on hip hop thats just pain wrong, its worshipping what hip-hop stands for if anything. it was simply an example. also im aware of what a sample is and no having a sample on an album does not mean the artist has permission to use it, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, its a huge grey area of the law. and so in that if you are going to compare it to a citation, sure thats apt, but its like a citation that you might have fucked up and if you fuck up a citation you can get accused of plagiarism.



and for your second paragraph, again, i never accused you of saying anything about sampling, i was simply using it as an example to discredit your problematic notion of what hip-hop stands for. anyways i need to get back to studying i'll read and respond to the rest of your 78 paragraphs later haha.

MrMatt767
October 30th 2014


558 Comments


@Gnarly
Why? On a formal level I don't see anything wrong with that - peep the [implicit] analogy of the first post in this thread; you can write a brilliant essay but if you plagiarize even one part of it and turn it in, that's a hard 0. It's the same with this album...if you accept the analogy to a plagiarized paper...then regardless of whether you think it's stupid, logically it's fair.

Except thats not a fair analogy, is it? A fairer analogy would be--in your humble and subjective opinion--that he has taken a source and put it in his (for want of a better phrase) 'own words'. That's not plagiarism at all? It's not like he has directly copied a kendrick lamar song verbatim, far from it in fact. Rather, he's just taken influences from it. It's simply derivative--unoriginal if you want. So, in response to your conclusion, no its not "logically fair" because to claim this guy has plagiarised is simply not grounded in any tangible, palpable, factual evidence. Claims of plagiarism aren't simply things you can throw around baselessly and lightly--the word carries significant weight and you need to actually support such vehemence with some sort of proof (desecration of hip-hop isn't any form of justification, sorry). Just because he sounds--conceptually and structurally--like another, famous artist doesn't mean he's a plagiarising money-grubber, it just makes him unoriginal. (something I would fully agree with).

You didn't directly respond to my comment (you responded to other people's, that's fair enough) so I guess I can't really respond to the remainder of your rebuttal.

littlejotw10
October 30th 2014


1 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

hahaha this guy must have it out for Logic. The Album was great, Logic is paying homage to all the people that influenced him and there is nothing wrong with that. He does it lightly and in no way is it plagiarism. The fact that he is compared to so many artists makes him unique. It's hard to sound original in the rap game today, but logic has done that by being able to flow like 10 other rappers through out a song. He may flow like drake for a sec than switch it up, and flow J-cole, then Kendrick, but he SOUNDS like Logic. He is a true student of the game. What other artist can do that? The fact that this guy, Aziz, speaks as if he is the ambassador for hip hop and he titles his summary "fuck Logic" proves he's a child. You don't have to like logic, but when your hating on him don't sound like a Jealous bitch who prob has posters of Kendrick on his walls and has multiple Kendrick shirtless pics on shuffle for wallpaper on your computer screen. Kendrick is dope and one of the greatest, but he doesn't need you to defend him especially when he doesn't need defending or else logic would of been sued already, so come back down from whatever imaginary pedestal you've raised yourself too and be a true hiphop fan and recognize that Logic is a great addition to the rap game and will be in it for along time. But hey I can't wait to see your next review for his next album lol



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