Album Rating: 4.0

Headed for a Heartbreak blows pretty much every other 80s ballad out of the water.



Scorpions Still Lovin' You hangs in there though.

Album Rating: 4.0

You guys should go watch it being performed with an orchestra. It's beautiful.

I prefer Miles Away if we are talkin about Winger ballads

Album Rating: 4.0

Damn. Thats a banger too.

Can't fault the artwork

Album Rating: 2.0

I know this is an old thread.



Some of the arguments being made here were poor.



Firstly, you can't change someone's mind about a genre or piece of music. It's up to them to give it a decent listen in the first place. No amount of well-constructed arguments is realistically going to change someone's mind about liking band X or band Z.



Secondly, in defense of Winger, the commercialisation of music was just beginning to take hold. A lot of the alternative / punk bands that followed have taken bowing down to the man to a whole new level, and made more $$$ than most of the Glam metal bands ... If there is any band that truly fits the moniker 'Corporate Rock' it is surely the Foo Fighters - from anti-download software to 'don't only buy the album, buy the bonus DVD full of interviews on the making of, and don't forget about the live DVD coming out in the summer!' - that is out of the sphere bands like Winger could ever dream of. That's not a smudge on Foo Fighters music, but, just setting the record straight, you know.

Album Rating: 4.0

I gonna soft disagree about the changing minds bit. IMO part of the reason why we like/dislike music is contextual and the point of the discussion was to recontextualise the music of bands like Winger. The context in this instance was: what rock music represents to the people who love it and the role of a "message" and "sincerity" in rock music.



And pop/rock music has always been corporate af. The guys paying for the recordings and distributing them have almost never cared about art or sincerity or messages or whatever. They just cared about what would sell. If anything, the rise of the hardcore/extreme metal/alternative rock scenes in the '80s were the beginning of the de-commercialisaton of music because vibrant subcultures capable of supporting artists began popping up and bands didn't have to kowtow to mainstream pressures in order to make a living the way they did before.

Album Rating: 4.0

So along those lines, is it even possible for hard / heavy bands to retain their integrity if they become popular? Like say....Ghost?

Album Rating: 4.0

That depends on how you define "integrity". IMO Ghost didn't have much real integrity to begin with. Gimmicks are marketing ploys that have little to do with the artistic integrity of the music and serve solely as vehicles to promote the band. The reliance on image as marketing has informed the success of everyone from the early Beatles to KISS to Motley Crue to Slipknot. Ghost don't have any more integrity than Greta Van Fleet's Led Zep cosplay, but are slightly more creative.

Album Rating: 3.5

artwork rules

Album Rating: 4.0

These guys were definitely artsier than your average hair band.

Winger then "shes only seventeen, some say shes too young but shes old enough for me"

Winger now "wow like, we had no idea that was illegal"