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These guys were paying attention to what was coming out of German and French studios over the previous couple of decades (re: Stockhausen, Schaeffer, Henry). Way ahead of other punk bands in their experimental nature, even if this album is hardly punk or close to rock.



It always irked me when punk bands professing to be revolutionary or whatever were musically conformist, or just entirely derivative, but This Heat and some others of the early days restore my faith.

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i should get this i only have deceit which is of course fucking awesome

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Yeah man, this is well worth it. Much more abstract and more tape stuff.

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The whole late 70s-early80s post-punk/experimental scene is awesome to me.



This Heat

Pere Ubu

The Pop Group

Chrome

Swell Maps

James Chance

Glenn Branca

Throbbing Gristle

Swans

Tuxedomoon etc etc theres so many

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"It always irked me when punk bands professing to be revolutionary or whatever were musically conformist, or just entirely derivative, but This Heat and some others of the early days restore my faith."



Could you expand on this? Just curious what bands you think werent all that and which ones you do.

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I'm interested in knowing as well.

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Wow mookid sucks.

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Well basically all of the bands you mentioned are part of the latter group. I would also add The Ex and The Fall. Essentially the bands you have trouble just calling punk.



The bands who I think don't espouse any radical tendencies (no matter what Rolling Stone and old dad-rockers say) are bands like The Ramones and Sex Pistols. Easy, obvious targets of criticism, I know, but they are so calculated in their image and attitude, and were exploited in such a way that it is as far from anti-commercial, anti-authoritarian and radical as it gets. It is pop/rock with different fashion, which fits nicely in the development of pop music, a continual redressing of the same formulas, to be exploited in the form of trends, etc. They are the road that leads to Green Day.



Then if you consider hardcore, and especially hardcore of the last decade, I don't need to really stress how many derivative, play-it-safe bands there are. Fine, this exists in all genres, but punk, as they say, is a way of life! an ethos!



Well, match your music to your radical ideas then.



Or perhaps the non-radical nature of the music of most of these bands/scenes/peoples only illuminates how non-radical and fashion driven so many of them are.

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Still, I don't want to project my frustrations with the idea of punk on to whatever may be called punk (and hardcore etc) in general. I can enjoy straight-forward stuff, though I would usually stray from the generic path just out of musical preference, regardless of whether the surrounding ideas annoyed me or not.



I think in general I just wish that more of these people in question would take the music itself seriously, and value it not just as a vehicle for some message or catharsis.

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dude we should hang out more

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Come to Melbourne and we can do some noise duets

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liled i agree so fuckin hard my dick just exploded.



i thought you were talking about some post-punk bands that claimed to be revolutionary but were derivative and "musically conformist" though, not obvious stuff like the ramones/sex pistols so I guess thats why I asked.



either way yes i am completely bored of the hardcore and punk styles today. every time i check out one of these bands that many on sputnik seem to love they sound completely generic. no originality and nothing that separates them from the hordes of others. its just dull to me.



then i listen these guys and other inventive post-punk (and some post-hardcore in the beginning) groups and its a whole different thing. so much creativity. punk to me has been dead for a long time.

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Yeah I was talking punk as generally as possible there, I should have added.



The argument is well-worn, whether punk is or is not dead, and all that, but the irony and contradiction in the idea of punk has always been present, I think.

I love deceit but I actually haven't listened to this.

punk for the most part is dead, but there are still some great underground hardcore punk/skramz bands making music today

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Well punk and all its related subgenres are still doing pretty well today popularity wise i think. Whats died to me is the creativity. How bands that came out in the late 70s sound more futuristic and forward thinking than bands in 2013 I dont get. Seems like many groups are just happy if they make it into warped tour.

maybe as far as punk goes, 70s post punk and art punk stuff is far more creative than some of the run of the mill type shit written today in similar genres. Also Powerviolence and other indie hardcore stuff written today simply emulates the 90s hxc type stuff. but thats not to say there aren't a few greats buried beneath mediocrity, one just has to look

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Im not that big into skramz outside of the bigger bands proggy but I think most that are will tell you thats been on life support for a while now too. its heydey is over. hardcore, metalcore, post-hardcore, and all that shit to me though is dead and buried. what is the best hardcore/punk bands to come out in the past couple years?



my problem with hardcore and straight forwardy genres like it are I know exactly how 99% of the bands are going to sound when I click on em. so you either like the genre or you dont. theres no surprises. meanwhile I never know what Im getting into with some of these post-punk groups. and thats so fuckin cool.

Musically it has stagnated but if you look at modern punk (folk-punk in particular) it's hard to argue that lyrically it hasn't improved by leaps and bounds.

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thats cool. lyrics arent that important to me though and I never been much of a folk punk fan.