I loved reading this, very well written
I think there's that thin line between admiration and enjoyment to consider as well. There's many albums that entertain me that aren't trying to be artsy, and there's also plenty of albums that I don't really enjoy listening to but I find entertainment in them only based off of how much I admire it for what it is. We do tend to take something that isn't exactly accessible, and off-putting to some audiences, and hold it in high regards only if we take the artist it's coming from seriously. What we consider to be "true obscure art" usually stems from people that we can look at and automatically assume that they are intentionally attempting to be artistic with it on some level. I think it's only natural to need to be assured that the art we are evaluating and analyzing is created by artists who are aware of what they're doing. We look at an everyday teenage girl like this, who accidentally got pregnant and got a show on TV, and then just happened to have made this perplexing music, and we take it as a joke initially, because just judging by her characteristics alone, we can safely say she's not looking into it as deeply as we are. Basically what I'm arguing is, when bizarreness overtakes the actual pleasure of listening to music, I think when critiquing such a peculiar case as this we have to consider the fact that there's not really too much to admire in the first place, and with nothing really deeper to appreciate beyond the surface knowing that she just did this for the hell of it, both the enjoyment and integrity factors are lacking, and we can only really marvel at it as a strange concoction that really doesn't satisfy too much on any level.
just another brick in the wall
Digging: NoMeansNo - Wrong
These discussions always have a net result of zero.
A lot happened in this conversation in the time it took me to type out my comment, sorry for the delayed response.
Yeah, you're on the third page now. The potency of your contribution has diminished by a factor of 9
Butt is it art?
Digging: Julien Baker - Turn Out The Lights
Album Rating: 4.0
great response, fragile. I agree with a lot of it (though i don't think the artistic integrity is such a vital part of how we interpret anything). I'm more interested in looking at the sort of statement I perceive it to be making about pop media. Even though I know Farrah Abraham is not trying to make that point, does that make the point invalid?
You guys are way over analyzing this
Album Rating: 1.0
A 'butt' is in fact art if you visualize it in its abstract nature.
@Trebor17 Well, Merriam-Webster's definition of "art" is "the conscious use of skill and creative
imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects". So art can basically be anything that
is created depending on your interpretation or perspective. There's just so many things nowadays that
are created that we reserve tagging "artsy" onto only the work that's the most blatantly experimental,
ambitious, and above par in creativity to avoid the word not being special. On a fundamental level,
yeah of course this is art. Though as for how high people set their standards, I understand why some
would be hesitant to call this art, but it still counts in my opinion. No matter how bad people may
perceive this music as, it's still an undoubtedly unique form of creative expression that has managed
to spawn both respect and hatred, even if the process behind it wasn't too complex or deep.
Album Rating: 1.0
@Downer Well, that's the great thing about interpretations. They're unique for everyone and they still
stand even if they aren't exactly identical to what the artist intended to convey. I mean, if
something about this album provoked you to think that it was making a statement on pop music, than
that's just part of the interpretation. Even if it's not exactly right, the fact that it can make
someone think of that depending on how you look at it is still valid in my opinion. I obviously
wouldn't go around saying that it's factually what the album is trying to say, but then again I
wouldn't do that with any interpretation. Even if music can make you think about something that might
not have been the intention, it can still count because something about it specifically managed to
make you think that way personally, and probably managed to evoke completely different thoughts out of
Art is still a made up anyway, and has many different definitions depending on the person
I think we can all agree that if Farrah Abraham was shown this thread, she most likely would just
think that some of us, me included, are looking a little too deeply into this album. lol. Basically,
she just wanted to try messing around with making some music, and she took the influences that she
had, and made songs she thought were good and sounded interesting, and that's all it really comes down
to at the end of the day. I'd actually like to seriously interview her on her thought process behind
the music. It's music that repulses my ears but keeps me curious, and admittedly, I'd love to know
just how she came to thinking up dubstep mixed with spoken word and autotune lol.
Album Rating: 4.0
haha man that would be an incredible interview
And being realistic, I'd probably have a good chance of getting an interview with her. Maybe I'll give it a shot if she's ever around my area for some random reason haha.
make this a featured review, please.