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Artuma
April 29th 2020


32769 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"Pretty much summarised the record there"



yep, and i like it!

MarsKid
Emeritus
April 29th 2020


21030 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

True, but usually labeling something as 'derivative' in such a manner bears a negative connotation.



And I think these guy have quite a good thing going in what they're able to blend here.

parksungjoon
April 29th 2020


47234 Comments


Ahh...

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2020


60384 Comments


ig in fairness pretty much any melodeath riff in the 21st century is gonna be derivative one way or another so in that sense it was a bit redundant

MarsKid
Emeritus
April 29th 2020


21030 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Well yeah, almost all art of any medium can be traced to someone else that's done it before, and they in turn were influenced by someone before them, and so on down the line. Not necessarily a bad thing

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2020


60384 Comments


got some concentric circles goin on here

chain of influence = unavoidable and ultimately positive process for the inheritance and development of sounds and ideas. v broadly defined.

derivative = this sound might as well have come from any number of older bands who have done the same thing in the same way. 'who did it better' is a secondary concern compared to the similarities (although yep it's usually used when the more recent band did not do it better, though I wouldn't say that's a concern. re pyrrhic + melodeath)


parksungjoon
April 29th 2020


47234 Comments


i wish someone would be derivative of svensson era atg



JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2020


60384 Comments


maybe that's your calling

parksungjoon
April 29th 2020


47234 Comments


hahahahahahaha you wouldnt even joke about that if you heard my guitar playing

parksungjoon
April 29th 2020


47234 Comments


also i thought you liked music

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2020


60384 Comments


right now i'm not sure

MarsKid
Emeritus
April 29th 2020


21030 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

In which case, I disagree with the sense this is close to a rip-off, if that's what you're insinuating.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2020


60384 Comments


doesn't matter whether they plagiarised it, the point is it's interchangeable with hundreds of other riffs regardless - which in turn doesn't matter that much, because the violin performance makes it work, and given the bigger picture I'd rather hear them play one ungroundbreaking riff reliably than chop between more original ideas as dysfunctionally as they do on that album's opening trio

gonna give this a check later on and see if it holds up well

Demon of the Fall
April 29th 2020


33727 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Old ATG rule yeah.

I’d agree with the chain of influence vs derivative thing, the former is an unavoidable aspect of music progression; countless artists have successfully put their own ‘slant’ on something, creating a sound of their own (at least to some extent, varies obviously). Whereas the latter is taking a previously established sound and essentially copy/pasting the core elements and attempting to live up to (or better them). The latter often produces poor imitations (although not always), but is arguably tougher to achieve as you don’t have a USP to fall back on.

Demon of the Fall
April 29th 2020


33727 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

That doesn’t necessarily apply here, just some random thoughts. I guess the USP of this band could be the way the violins are integrated.

MarsKid
Emeritus
April 29th 2020


21030 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

My point was that I thought you were approaching with a more negative lens, but I think I just misinterpreted you. My bad

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
April 29th 2020


60384 Comments


is good, sorry if that was unclear! i think people just need to call stuff derivative in non-overwhelmingly negative contexts more often lol, the world would be a better place

GhandhiLion
April 29th 2020


17643 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Yeah and also what it's actually derived from...

Shadowmire
April 29th 2020


6660 Comments


i honestly like this band quite a bit i think

MarsKid
Emeritus
April 29th 2020


21030 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

It's a good thing to like



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