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terminusest
October 14th 2011


96 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

absolutely love this, then again, i thought handful of stars was easily one of drudkh's best albums



btw, this isn't black metal or post rock. this is more prog rock / shoegaze. reminds me a lot of hum and devin townsend's work with ocean machine and terria.

DarkNoctus
October 14th 2011


12201 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

btw, this isn't black metal or post rock. this is more prog rock / shoegaze.




how the fuck is it shoegaze, it uses barely any effects and barely any layers of effects. it's barely prog either, besides, it's a very trite term these days.



it's post-rock and black metal.

terminusest
October 14th 2011


96 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

prog is a "trite" term? what? what are you talking about? prog is a real genre. there's absolutely nothing post rock about this album. not even a little bit. it's a little bit black metal, but only just barely.



i think your problem with this album is that you don't even remotely understand it and you had these bizarre expectations that weren't met because they weren't realistic.

DarkNoctus
October 14th 2011


12201 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

you're either an idiot or willfully ignorant.



i've stated many times that all i expected was an enjoyable, catchy album. this didn't deliver that. there is PLENTY of post-rock here, i've no idea how you can't hear it. i'm referring to people throwing around the term 'prog' without any justification behind it, that's what has become trite. prog is real, and this isn't prog.



people just plaster it on anything that exceeds 5 minute song length now and it's just stupid.



even if i expected a masterpiece, the album is still bad for the reasons i've stated in my review. stop telling me what i think because i'm pretty sure i know what i think better than you do. since, you know, it's what i think.



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Tyrael
October 14th 2011


21108 Comments


I'm so disappointed :[

DarkNoctus
October 14th 2011


12201 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

awwwww Tyraelxy :[ there there, it's okay! :]

Crysis
Emeritus
October 14th 2011


17626 Comments


handful of stars was easily one of drudkh's best albums


oh boy

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
October 14th 2011


25871 Comments


handful of boring amirite

Tyrael
October 14th 2011


21108 Comments


handful of boring amirite

Zing!

terminusest
October 14th 2011


96 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

darknoctus, why are you so angry about your opinions? you sound extremely defensive.



i called it prog because of the rhythms, actually, not the song lengths. song length has NOTHING to do with prog. go listen to a song like waiting man from king crimson to hear what real prog is all about.



post rock has become a meaningless umbrella term for anything people are uncomfortable with classifying due to lack of exposure with the style in question. the fact is that old silver key has much more in common with bands like hum than it does with alcest or drudkh. the album absolutely is enjoyable. catchy? who the fuck cares about that?



when you review an album, you should go into it without expectation. comparing the album to alcest and drudkh is short-sighted and a bit dull. no one wants to read that. who cares? review it on its own merits.



i never told you what you think. i simply told you why you were wrong. and you are wrong. if you think this is black metal, you're deaf. period. you don't know what black metal is, you are confused and ignorant, and you are lashing out due to ignorance.



if you think this is black metal / post rock, you don't know what either genre is. you obviously don't know what prog rock is.

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
October 14th 2011


25871 Comments


post rock has become a meaningless umbrella term for anything people are uncomfortable with classifying due to lack of exposure with the style in question.


i actually agree with this

DarkNoctus
October 14th 2011


12201 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

hahahaha why should i even bother replying to that considering it's just a bunch of bullshit statements



i did review it on its own merits, the comparisons to alcest and drudkh were totally inevitable



i think you should have another look at my ratings, maybe last.fm too, if you think i know nothing about black metal and post-rock. since, you know, they're my favorite genres of music.



all you did in your response is imply that you know exactly what i think, which you don't. that was made very clear by your wrong assumptions of my opinions of this album. you implied i had unrealistic expectations, i didn't - then you said i shouldn't have had expectations at all, which is impossible unless you know absolutely nothing about it. if you don't want anyone to have expectations, tell labels to stop hyping things up before release and releasing tracks before release. you might get complaints, though.



now shush. :]

DarkNoctus
October 14th 2011


12201 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

also i agree with that too but the post-rock influence here is totally obvious

feanaro
October 14th 2011


1055 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Definitely a lot of post-rock here. I would still say that shoegaze is just as dominant if not more so. Little to no black metal.

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
October 14th 2011


25871 Comments


ive tried to explain this to you before noctus, shoegaze doesn't mean just using a ton of effects/layering. there is a way the music is structured and presented that makes shoegaze what it is. there was an awesome article on My bloody Valentine a read a few days ago that talks about the style ill see if i can find it

DarkNoctus
October 14th 2011


12201 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

i don't really understand what you mean by 'presented', you didn't answer me when i brought that up before. i'd like to read that article, though. :]

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
October 14th 2011


25871 Comments


presented means how it sounds, i cant seem to find the article though maybe i saw it on reddit lemmie check

DarkNoctus
October 14th 2011


12201 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

well normally shoegazers go for a wall-of-sound kind of thing that makes the guitars encompass everything else in the mix (though not overwhelmingly) and this is far, far from that. that mixed with the fact there's barely any layering of effects kind of make me confused as to where the shoegaze comments are even coming from. i guess on that basis I can understand the first Alcest album being considered as shoegaze, but this?? no, sorry, i don't see it.

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
October 14th 2011


25871 Comments


fuck i cant find it but it was really written, it was comparing the shoegaze style of MBV to the grunge sound that was so popular and what the main differences were musically, i really wish i could find it now

DarkNoctus
October 14th 2011


12201 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

well if you ever do, let me know :]



it's also worth mentioning that this album is far more centered to the vocals than alcest and the like which steers it further than shoegaze for me.



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