Sufjan Stevens The Age of Adz
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foreverendeared
October 9th 2010


14720 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Channing Creamin'

Bitchfork
October 9th 2010


7581 Comments


I still don't see any emotion in this at all so I couldn't help but wonder if you were pulling a Sufjan, Chan.

Realm
October 9th 2010


2512 Comments


he frots

oh and good review chan

Jash
October 9th 2010


4938 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Review of the year. This site is turning into a sufjan circle jerk of sorts

Bitchfork
October 9th 2010


7581 Comments


I might listen to this again tonight but I don't know, I think the whole band teacher analogy describes my feelings as to why I don't like this album at all perfectly.

SoapySoap
October 10th 2010


865 Comments


Amazing review. Made me want to hear the album again.

Romulus
October 10th 2010


9109 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

this is a joke

Aids
October 10th 2010


24512 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

Album rules, review rules, bitckfork: stop being wrong

foreverendeared
October 10th 2010


14720 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Age of Adz is such a kickass song.



And someone may have already mentioned this in a review or something, but the album is a reference to "the apocalyptic artwork of schizophrenic artist Royal Robertson." Dude was a nutjob, a self proclaimed prophet.



from wiki: "claimed to have had his first vision, a futuristic vision of a space ship with God as driver, when he was fourteen. When his marriage ended he began to record his visions in his imagery and writings. Numerous hallucinatory visions of space travel where aliens predicted the End of Days through complex numerological formulas and warned him about the dangers of adultery and fornication led Robertson to believe that he was a victim of a global female conspiracy.[6] He believed that his ex-wife's betrayal would be the cause of the cataclysmic destruction of humanity[6], and that his art was divinely sanctioned"

thebhoy
October 10th 2010


4460 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

yeah I thought about bringing that into my review but figured I would stay away from that can of worms

foreverendeared
October 10th 2010


14720 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

This is. the age. of Adz. Eternal living!

crank
October 10th 2010


332 Comments


OK OK, I'll listen to this

foreverendeared
October 10th 2010


14720 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

never thought this would happen, I swear, but I'm bumping mine up. Title track is too damn good

Athom
Emeritus
October 12th 2010


17244 Comments


i want to be well is the best thing ever but the rest of the album is hit or miss for me

natey
October 13th 2010


4195 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

composers are certainly not absent and Sufjan is the most prominent of them.


choke



"The Owl and the Tanager" is better than "I Want to Be Well"

conradtao
Emeritus
October 13th 2010


2090 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

^ i had the same reaction



and I still like the EP more overall

conradtao
Emeritus
October 13th 2010


2090 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

sufjan isn't a great composer by any means. he's a great songwriter but his compositions (read: BQE) are mediocre/bland

conradtao
Emeritus
October 13th 2010


2090 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

opinions make the world go round



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natey
October 13th 2010


4195 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

what


To me noting Sufjan as the most prominent modern composer is retarded, and this isn't just an

opinion (in my opinion)



I would never call him a "bad composer" (I love all of his albums, though this one the least so

far). But everyone's quick to use the word "composer" with Sufjan because he incorporates orchestra

instruments and even indie rock enthusiasts like most members of the the industrialized world have

weird super respect for writers of classical and

romantic music and symphonies and sonatas, like they are what "composers" look like (or real

composers must use strings and french horns!). It's more than just his instruments; probably some

tonal and metric modulations call to mind "great" symphonies (like the angelic version of BTBAM,

minus dissonance) etc. but he's certainly no more a "composer" than Kristian Matsson or the members

of Arcade Fire or Lady Gaga or the members of Envy or John Darnielle or Brand New or Sigur Ros or

Zach Condon or Spencer Krug (and many of these are certainly more prominent than Sufjan, Lady Gaga

for example), but people aren't always likely to talk about them as "composers" because little of

what they do makes you quickly think of Mozart. But people may be quick to call Matthew

Cooper a composer because he uses strings sometimes and piano and even organ.



Now you may not even be doing any of this in your mind, but all that aside it's still retarded to

call him "the most prominent" modern composer because he's just not. He may be one of the most

eccentric and queerish though. I'm fine with you saying that.

conradtao
Emeritus
October 13th 2010


2090 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

now i feel obligated to explain my 'opinion' since natey did it in such a civilized and intelligent manner.



sufjan isn't a proper "composer" in the way i am assuming you were using it. there are classicist elements in his songs, sure, but only in terms of instrumentation, not actual composition. his songs are still laid out in your typical verse-chorus-verse fashion (as a general rule). i have the same reaction when people describe joanna newsom as a "composer" - she's a fairly brilliant songwriter but putting her in the same category as, say, Kaija Saariaho or Steve Reich is an enormous stretch.



if you replaced "composer" with "songwriter" i would have no problem with the quote, because sufjan is undoubtedly one of the best songwriters of our time, but saying that he's one of the most prominent/important composers of the current generation doesn't compute with me.



tl;dr natey's argument was far better than mine



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