Converge Jane Doe
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Thor
April 4th 2010


10354 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

But the meaning is deeper than just the personal meanings and associations from Bannon's own

individual experience; the underlying reason for the band's producing this album is not Bannon's

personal experience.


If you can actually prove that I'll start listening to you, but until then I remain steadfast

in my assumptions that you're just another pretentious troll.

Lelle
April 4th 2010


2766 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I don't see how what Bannon & co were actually thinking (or not thinking) while writing the record is supposed to affect how I perceive the music while listening to it. It doesn't matter if they were in control of what they were writing or not, the record is fucking good to my ears no matter how I look at it

ffs
April 4th 2010


6220 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

good review; negged

KILL
April 4th 2010


81580 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

good review; pos'd

Enotron
April 4th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

I don't give a shit about his fucking intentions.



What matters is how the album turns out, not how or why it was created. You fail to really describe why it's a bad record. You don't go into about the actual quality of the music. It's a delightful essay, but it fails in every aspect to work as a review.

shade
April 4th 2010


1198 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

This review basically states why I think this album is one of the greatest of all time. WTF?



My point is that, since the album was written by no one, and music is by definition an arrangement of sounds written and performed by human beings, Jane Doe cannot be given a high rating as music




Then, using your reasoning, it can't be given a low rating either.

Waior
April 4th 2010


11778 Comments


I might as well also claim that any one of my reviews is more valuable to music criticism than Knott-'s entire corpus.


whoa man

TheSpirit
Emeritus
April 4th 2010


30304 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

It's like you people only read his last two reviews and nothing else, seriously








I've read quite a few of his reviews. I mean i still think he's a good reviewer and all

Enotron
April 4th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

It seems that the words abstract, genericness, anonymity, and nothing are all the same to you.



edit: Music is an art form that uses sound as it's medium. Converge make sounds(regardless of whether they put thought or

anything into their music). Converge make music.

Waior
April 4th 2010


11778 Comments


Okay, so I actually read this over. What a stupid amount of fucking useless prolixity; most people are going to have
to read each individual paragraph five times over before they even get a gist of what you're trying to say. I don't know
if you think that's a testament to the general idiocy of the internet or whatever, but accessibility is what makes a
piece of writing - review or not - good or otherwise. Right now, this review basically just regurgitates outlandish
analysis and awkward phrasing in order to make a point that has little to do with music reviewing in the first place.


Rate this a 1. Write a review for it, I encourage you. You can't expect a piece of writing like this, as impressive as it
might be on other websites or in your own head, to fare well on a site that values accessibility so much.

His frenetic flailing during their songs is the enactment of a total powerlessness, the involuntary spasm of a
marionette


This line is admittedly good (albeit irrelevant) imagery. Kudos.

Waior
April 4th 2010


11778 Comments


Music is an art form that uses sound as it's medium. Converge make sounds(regardless of whether they put thought or anything into their music). Converge make music.


Syllogisms kinda rule

shade
April 4th 2010


1198 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

The fact that this album transcends music is what makes it amazing. I still don't understand why you even bothered reviewing not-music on this site.

Enotron
April 4th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

syllogisms kinda rule




Precise, yo.

JulesWin
April 4th 2010


993 Comments


If this is not music, why review it then?

Enotron
April 4th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Yeah, but the minute the Converge dudes were like "Hey, let's make an album" and starting banging on their pots and pans and singing the nightingale song, it was music.

Thor
April 4th 2010


10354 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Obviously it's impossible to "prove" what someone was thinking when they perform an action (say, record an album).


so stop acting like you know something the rest of us don't, and stop using bullshit shakespeare and descartes references to make you seem smarter, it doesn't really serve a purpose other than to make you look well-read and therefore superior to other users on the site

Enotron
April 4th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

However, if somebody heard the monkey banging the pots and pans and enjoyed it in a musical sense, then it's music. For instance, wind does not work in a musical sense, but to many it is musical and many sample it for musical purposes. The producer of music doesn't have to be aware of the fact that it's creating music.

Thor
April 4th 2010


10354 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

It's kind of hard to present your ideas logically and clearly when they don't actually make sense though, i.e. making points that no one could possibly prove or back up with any amount of research or listening.

Enotron
April 4th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

What about sample-based music? What about photography? Do you regard either of those as artforms?

Thor
April 4th 2010


10354 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I don't find it very reasonable at all. Just because someone sounds like someone else, writes like someone else, etc. doesn't mean that they didn't write it. You're taking that idea to an extreme you can't possibly back up, because let's be honest, no one can back up a claim so ridiculous and over-the-top.



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