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Observer
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January 23rd 2010


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I may be incorrect, and if I am I will change it, but when making a list that is normally spaced out by commas, you can use semicolons instead when it is more complex, even if there is an "and" before the last one:

"Use a semicolon to separate items in a list when the items are long and potentially complex in meaning. In this usage, the semicolon replaces the comma that usually separates items in a list. This is because a semicolon is more noticeable and thus better suited for longer items. For example:The student council advisor felt it was important for each new member to learn the procedures for running meetings; to share past experiences working in team environments; and to outline individual goals for the year."

http://www.ehow.com/how_2303337_use-semicolons.html

Metalstyles
January 23rd 2010


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haha, alright then. Though, I still stand by my point that it looks awkward. Maybe just re-do the clause a bit?

Also thank you Chambered, for whatever reason I have brightened your day haha

EyesWideShut
January 23rd 2010


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this sounds actually pretty good. Ihsahn seem to put more effort in this than Angl.

Observer
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January 23rd 2010


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haha, alright then. Though, I still stand by my point that it looks awkward. Maybe just re-do the clause a bit?



I could but that would defeat the purpose of the colon before the list. The colon is there to emphasize that it is a list, and that what comes after the colon is evidence for why the album is a progression from past releases:

In many ways it is: the album contains a stronger production than past offerings; Vegard’s vocals have improved; and the saxophone does a good job of aiding in the third offering’s area of distinction.


Metalstyles
January 23rd 2010


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no i was just meaning the saxophone clause.
About like this: In many ways it is: the album contains a stronger production than past offerings; Vegard’s vocals have improved; the saxophone parts are a good addition to the album, aiding in the third offering's area of distinction

if it's meant as a list, then there's no requirement the final point must start with an "and"

Observer
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January 23rd 2010


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But if there is no "and" , then it sounds like I'm just connecting semicolons together. In other words, it wouldn't read like a list. To me, your correction would sound robotic and awkward in the review. Haha, it's just my opinion.

A list does need an "and".

Metalstyles
January 23rd 2010


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But hey, maybe just screap the list idea, imo it would read much better like this: In many ways it is as the album contains a stronger production than past offerings, Vegard’s vocals have improved, and the saxophone does a good job of aiding in the third offering’s area of distinction

It sounds better than it does atm ;)

Observer
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January 23rd 2010


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That's still a list, man ;)

The only difference is I could get confused by the second and third items in your list. I worded it the other way so readers would know they are all reasons why the album is a progression.



Metalstyles
January 23rd 2010


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not in its essence. It's a listing, but when you write it like that, it doesn't require semicolons. That I know.

Observer
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January 23rd 2010


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Alright, then getting to the matter: What's wrong with semicolons?

Metalstyles
January 23rd 2010


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ahahahaha and the grammar dispute continues

There's nothing wrong with them, jsut some sentences could be worded more concisely, without using too many words and semicolons. Your usage of semicolons in this review is correct (like I already mentioned) but shorter sentences tend to flow better and are better to read. Also, having too many sentences with semicolons just doesn't look too good to the eye (ok that's only imo; I can't speak for everyone and yes I know I just used a semicolon)

Just take it like that: picture yourself standing in a classrom reading your presentation. You want to read one of your sentences with one breath. Just picture how weird it would be for the listeners when you just keep reading and reading that sentence. Instead, it would sound much better when you break that huge sentence up and turn it into 2 independant sentences.

Observer
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January 23rd 2010


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I don't think I'm getting anywhere. When you read a list like that with semicolons, you can pause; it doesn't have to be continuously read. If anything, the semicolons, when used in the context of a list, are just funny looking commas to make reading the list easier since a reader could lose track of the list's original importance if regular commas were used. I hope that makes sense.

Agree to disagree on that note?

Metalstyles
January 23rd 2010


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I'll agree to disagree because this is obviously going nowhere haha. It's quite clear that I prefer the standard comma version and you prefer semicolons. It's not grammatically incorrect to use them, just I personally don't fancy writings with too many semicolons. Their usage just seems to kill the flow a bit + overusing them just looks pretentious haha

Observer
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January 23rd 2010


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Alright, fair enough. I wasn't trying to be pretentious in all honesty. However, in future reviews I will cut them down a bit. It seemed natural to me, but I can see where you are coming from.

Whatever the case, thanks for challenging me on that stuff. It's good when users do that.

EVedder27
January 23rd 2010


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Good work man, you've been really cranking out those new releases.

Metalstyles
January 23rd 2010


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I agree, these challenges (let's call them like that) are both informative and possibly educative. Good stuff.

P.S: I know you weren't trying to be pretentious, I just said that that's normally the case

Crysis
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January 23rd 2010


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Album Rating: 3.0

My hopes aren't too high for this tbh

Observer
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January 23rd 2010


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I'm guessing that you will give it a 2.5-3, Crysis. In my opinion, It's better than his other solo releases.

Crysis
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January 23rd 2010


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Album Rating: 3.0

Yeah I'll give the stream a listen a bit later, but that song he posted a while back was decent. As I'm sure many people will agree, I like his stuff with Emperor loads better.

Crysis
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January 24th 2010


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Album Rating: 3.0

same level of quality throughout the project’s existence since starting in 2005.




Delete the words "starting in" because it makes the sentence really awkward.



While the sax inclusion was a little offsetting at first,




Using "off-putting" instead of offsetting would read better.



adds to the urgency of the track in very positive, distinct way;




Put an "a" after "in" and before "very".



Some tracks effortlessly flow from one to another--see the acoustic strings that conclude the title track and effortlessly flow into the more energetic “Frozen Lakes On Mars”




It sounds weird when you use the phrase "effortlessly flow" twice in the same sentence.



or the ambiance that broods into the saxophone that starts grand finale




Using "broods" as a verb in this context doesn't really seem correct to me.









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