Album Rating: 5.0
jazz rock is just a more specific form of jazz fusion that heavily emphasizes the rock side of things. but its still a form of jazz fusion because it is literally the fusion of rock and jazz. but not all jazz fusion incorporates rock at all necessarily. jazz rock is basically just a sub sub genre.
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Album Rating: 3.0
hmm i guess potsy got it for me
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Album Rating: 5.0
nvm
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Album Rating: 3.0
lemme explain. i was curious, i was listening to some steely dan, chicago, santana, and soft machine and i thought back to the likes of sun ra, miles davis, etc. and thought "hmm these two groups of artists sound miles and miles apart, why is it that many consider them to be both jazz fusion?"
then i found that jazz rock was a better descriptor for the first few. so i was under the impression that jazz rock was jazz-influenced but still firmly entrenched in rock structures, instruments, etc. whereas jazz fusion certainly was not.
but yeah, you're right. i was only referring to particular movements within jazz-rock and jazz fusion, rather than considering the entire subgenres. and that was my mistake.
altho I still can't say that jazz rock is OF jazz fusion (altho yes, if you take it as a literal fusion of rock and jazz then yeah it would...i don't...) but the two are certainly profoundly intertwined. i think in a way that is similar that so many shoegaze bands also happen to dream pop and or noise pop - a relationship where they often coincide and share characteristics, but certainly aren't the same thing.
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you lost me at listening to steely dan and chicago
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Anyone fancy a latte?
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Album Rating: 3.0
guest bro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19gCLq-Zmnw
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I just get really bad 'suburban white dude trying to score' vibes from Chicago. It could be because my uncle is the most boring man in the world and its his favorite group.
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Album Rating: 3.0
lol very very fair enough. 90+% of their later stuff was just sad man soft rock type stuff, which is all the stuff they're famous for.
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Album Rating: 5.0
Steely Dan rules
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"lol very very fair enough. 90+% of their later stuff was just sad man soft rock type stuff, which is all the stuff they're famous for."
That's what keeps me from checking them out, I want to check out their actually good stuff but I'm afraid I'll run into their cheesy-ass soft-rock bullshit
Like I've heard their first 3 and they're good but Idk if I should go any further
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Album Rating: 4.5
Steely Dan rules [2]
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maybe if you're naked at Burning Man
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Album Rating: 5.0
you're stupid af
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Album Rating: 5.0
everything u say is like a prairie dogging anus
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Steely Dan rules [2]
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everything u say is like a prairie dogging anus
lmao it's so funny how you can't take anything
potsy you dish it all day but the minute someone questions your hygiene you lose it
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Thanks guys. I just think that even if there is a difference between the artists Cygnatti calls jazz rock and jazz fusion then we probably should come up with new names because what we really mean when saying "jazz fusion" is "jazz fusion with rock" and so the two terms are practically synonymous and thus it would be unintuitive to distinguish between them. just saying
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Album Rating: 5.0
All I know is that Zappa rules and this album makes me happy! ^_^
Also someguest, if you're going to start shit go somewhere else. Zappa threads should be happy ones ^_^
Guy is a legend
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