Album Rating: 5.0
If you look at the date that this was released it might not seem so generic. That would be like trying to call Carcass' album "Heartwork" generic.
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Album Rating: 4.5
This is simply one the top black metal album ever released.
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i know when it was released. and i recognize the piece's significance. my disagreement on the quality of the music is not indicative of ignorance.
it is not a timeframe that makes something generic - excellence transcends superficial limitations of that sort. Dissection's being among the first groups to combine melodic structures with a black metal atmosphere does make them innovators, but there's a very distinct watermark between being original and being good. and this is, as i said, a good album. but the aforementioned innovation -namely, pairing melody with black metal- is, in this case, still generic. the melodic structures used are generic, as is the atmosphere created. it's not a bad album. i intend to buy it, at some point. but it's definitely not as good as most would have me believe
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Album Rating: 5.0
^^^^^(foodforthegods)
This is simply one the top black metal album ever released.
Indeed.
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Album Rating: 5.0
Yeah this is definitely one of the greats in Black Metal. So is Storm Of The Light's Bane, just not as good as this. Its close though. The thing that put this in from of SOTLB is that it has better atmosphere and also the classical guitars.
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Album Rating: 4.5
This isn't black metal.
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Album Rating: 5.0
Are you serious?
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Album Rating: 4.5
yes, it sounds like blackened heavy metal because of its emphasis on catchy hooks and sing-along choruses and it definitely has nothing to do with any real black metal ethos.
I don't know why some people think this is blackened death metal though.
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Yeah this is definitely one of the greats in Black Metal. So is Storm Of The Light's Bane, just not as good as this. Its close though. The thing that put this in from of SOTLB is that it has better atmosphere and also the classical guitars.
...huh? the album isn't as good as itself?
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Album Rating: 4.5
yes, it sounds like blackened heavy metal because of its emphasis on catchy hooks and sing-along choruses and it definitely has nothing to do with any real black metal ethos.
Sing-along choruses? I don't recall any of those. Are you sure you listened to the right album? Either way, this is melodic black metal so it will have some catchier riffs than most black metal. Just because it has melody and solos doesn't mean it can't be black metal. That just sounds like elitism to me and this is coming from an avid black metal fan.
And I don't see how anyone can call this generic. It's kinda hard to call an album that is the first of its kind generic.This Message Edited On 04.24.08
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Album Rating: 4.5
Sing-along choruses? I don't recall any of those. Are you sure you listened to the right album? there are plenty of choruses with memorable lyrics that are repeated alot which is a must in heavy/power/speed metal. This is basically Iron Maiden+harsh vocals+blastbeats+some tremolo picking.
Please don't tell me you think Where Dead Angels Lie is remotely a black metal song.
I like this album, it just isn't a black metal album and I can't call it a black metal album because it's basically heavy metal with black metal influences.
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when i say it's generic i don't mean its sound in contrast to everything else of the time. actually, scratch "generic;" a better word for what i'm trying to describe is "derivative." what i'm talking about is the music being a result of its influences, but nothing more than that. just a sum of its parts.
it did bring different things together, the specific recipe which hadn't been used before then - but it did not inject anything new into that mixture. as masscows said, it's essentially "Iron Maiden+harsh vocals+blastbeats+some tremolo picking." although i might not go so far as to say that, it's more or less my point. the combination Dissection undertook was original; the music itself wasn't.
and that's what i base my own ratings on. i don't care how significant or influential, nor on the other hand how absolutely unimportant, any album was. i rate them based on how good the product is. not on what it caused.
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Album Rating: 5.0
To istaros i thought i was on the page for The Somberlain for some reason lol. What i meant was this isnt as good as The Somberlain.
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Album Rating: 4.5
masscows,
Do you sing along to this album?
I had this at a 5 when I got it but the lack of variation overall is what pushes it down a notch.
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Album Rating: 4.5
I used to shout along to Night's Blood, Retribution and Where Dead Angels Lie when I first got the album
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Album Rating: 4.5
"HEART IS COLD, COLD AS ICE!"
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Love the part where Jon shouts out
"Can't resist...The night's sweet BLOOOOOOOOOOOOD!"
then that amazing riff starts playing under the scream. Gives me goosebumps every time
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Album Rating: 4.5
there are plenty of choruses with memorable lyrics that are repeated alot which is a must in heavy/power/speed metal. This is basically Iron Maiden+harsh vocals+blastbeats+some tremolo picking.
Yeah, of course blastbeats, tremolo picking, and harsh vocals don't separate them from Iron Maiden at all. Those are all characteristics of black metal like it or not. OMG, TWIN GUITARS THEY ARE COPYING IRON MAIDEN! In all honesty, the riffs are much darker on this album than anything Maiden have ever written and that makes quite a difference. Plus, you forgot to mention that the production is lower than normal too. Sure, it's not Darkthrone production, but it's obvious they were trying to incorporate the black metal sound in it.
This is how melodic black metal sounds. Also, the lyrics aren't that memorable when you have to struggle to understand what he's saying. Sure, he's easier to understand than most, but I definitely wouldn't say there are any sing-along choruses.
Please don't tell me you think Where Dead Angels Lie is remotely a black metal song.
Please don't tell you that? Would it really hurt your feelings or something? All your arrogance aside, I really think it's more black metal than anything else. The intro riff which plays alot throughout the song is a pure black metal riff. Sure, a riff or two in the song could be argued, but it's really pointless to do so.
I like this album, it just isn't a black metal album and I can't call it a black metal album because it's basically heavy metal with black metal influences.
I would say that it's melodic black metal. Black metal elitists just fear expansion for some reason so whenever any other influence aside from black metal shines through in the music, it's all of the sudden not tr00.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Onto the topic of Mayhem and Enslaved. Basically, Mayhem pwns Enslaved. Those who don't like black metal too much tend to love Enslaved for some reason.
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Album Rating: 5.0
I agree. Some of the older shit by Enslaved is good, but overall Mayhem kills them.
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