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Could you at least try and be civil, Steerpike? It's hardly a big ask.
I was trying in the last post, but I guess I was still laying the sardonic cynicism a little thick.
I still stick to what I said, if you are a music lover you don't have any responsibilities towards music, you just love it for what it is. Music is there, take it or leave it, love it or hate it, it doesn't ask anything from you. It is the one thing you have a free choice in, and you presenting it as some sort of responsibility is just wrong.
I don't know if you're trying to sound profound or not, but it seems we haven't made our point clear. You have a responsibility to do your own research. Read the reviews, get all the viewpoints, and do some sampling. We're not asking anything huge here.
I don't want to waste time on the negative even though it is present in my life, as in any life.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Why does that make negative reviews bad?
but not to tell someone "Go get a Nightwish cd instead because there is a sense of musicality there".
Why?
If you don't like the music this band has made, the way they made it you shouldn't be listening or reviewing them.
First of all, he stated that he already owned the album.
Second, are you only saying this because it's a band you like? You just he shouldn't write negative reviews of albums he doesn't like. I can't think of any other reason to write a negative review than that you didn't like the music therein.
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For one, all of the albums you recommended have NOTHING in common with this one, besides female vocals. Although that might have been someone else who wrote this first, I still feel like voicing that.
Secondly, I don't think this band is as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Granted, their new album is utter garbage (which disappointed me; carrying a former Cold guitarist along with them, they should have been able to up the music considerably), but this album is decent. It's rife with filler tracks, but the standout ones do justify listening through. It's catchy, and there's an actual sense of musicianship in Amy Lee, which is a far cry from the majority of today's radiofriendly bands.
And yeah, everyone should listen to Nightwish instead.
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Amy Lee should be doing anything but this. I want her to break out and do some solo stuff, not this 'mainstream rock.' I've never felt her voice suited it, and my doubts were solidified with The Open Door.
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To sum up Simpatiko's point in one sentence: I'm a fanboy and can't take it when my album gets criticised.
Simpatiko, I don't know if you've ever heard any Nightwish, but I really suggest you try them out: when compared to this band, Nightwish blows anything this band has ever done out of the water. They're that good. Oh and for the record: I've reviewed FOUR Nightwish albums to date.
And it would be the same band, but with different music. A band can and even should change styles: it's a sign of progressive thinking and musicality.
Another point I would like to make is that this world does not only consist of Evanescence. Evanescence is not alone in making music. There are a lot of similar bands with a female-fronted band trend. I happen to like all of these more than this band, whose offering on here is simply stale and boring. If I were to advise someone to buy this album, I would say save up your money, if you're into this genre, there's a lot else out there that's a lot better and you'll enjoy more than this.
To me, this album simply wasn't good at all. I have that opinion, I backed that up... I don't see what your problem is. I'm allowed to review anything, so as to give a negative side as well as a positive side to things, to present what I think are facts and mold them into my opinion, A review is biased per definition. Of course, the backing should be done by objective points, or at least to an extent anyway. But readers have a right to different angles on something... you know, not everyone may like the band. We're not all close-minded Evanescence fans.
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To sum up Simpatiko's point in one sentence: I'm a fanboy and can't take it when my album gets criticised.
Seems so, yeah. :D
Anyway, comparisons aren't "devalueing" at all. And genres are, again, a neat way of describing what a band/album sounds like. For instance, if you refer to a band as "metal", everyone who knows the least bit about music will instantly know that this band has loud, distorted guitars and riff-based song structures, among other thing. Granted, I'm against pre-judging music by its genre, but I love using it as a tool to describe what a band sounds like at its core.
And by comparisons I don't necessarily mean quality comparisons, Ia also mean sound comparisons, like "the guitar sound of this and that band reminds me of this and that band" or something like that. I think comparisons of quality (by which I mean preference) aren't really valid in most cases though, except if a band/album really sounds a lot like another band/album.
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First of all I'm glad you erased the stupid dispute of last night posted here by myself and others. After my girlfriend left this morning I realized what a dumb ass I've been over this whole thing. This really doesn't matter to me, if someone hates this album and tels others not to give it a chance and listen to it why should I be the one to argue with that. I bought this album and my life is richer for being a part of it (like any good/bad experience in life). I think the album sales and the fact that it has gone 6x platinum is enough for the band to know their formula here worked out great.
I don't browse the net for new music and read reviews so I can decide on an album, that is why I don't share your insight in the matter. I am introduced to music over the radio, tv, rave parties etc... Mostly a friend would send me an album he or she likes and I would make a decision based on that. When I hear something I like I get into it more. Amy Lee's voice is something my ears enjoy very much, and I don't think she's selling her self short making this kind of music and being in a band like this.
I have all the albums Nightwish made because my sister is very much into them. Tarja Turunen has an excellent voice and I really like most of their songs, but as I found out she is kicked out of the band (they posted an official letter on their website). Lacuna Coil also made an interesting couple of albums, I got into them after pursuing a song from "Underworld (The Evolution)" called "Our Truth".
But both these bands came about after Evanescence.
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I'm a fanboy, and can't take it when my album gets criticized...
Ha. It's not my album, and there is not something I can't take. I have a lot of albums in my collection that are different in genre and I don't take it personally when someone trashes my taste in them. The only thing I take personally is when someone hits on my girlfriend, that is when brutal strength comes into effect 
Sanja if your reading me from home, here's thinkin' about you ;)
I love my chick!
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Wow, Simpatiko, you're really behind. Tarja's departure was uh, in 2005. Thanks man.
And Nightwish formed in 1996, which is a lot earlier than Evanescence formed. Thanks for not getting your facts right.
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I didn't state Trja's departure as breakthrough news, I know of it from 2005. I just acknowledged it. No need for sarcasm.
Again I'm quoted wrong. I didn't say Evanescence formed before anyone, I said they hit mainstream (came about) before these bands. Evanescence broke through general audiences in the start of 2003 with "Fallen" (over 14 million copies sold worldwide, certified 6x platinum), and Nightwish had their (less successful - close to 1 million in sales, 1x platinum Germany, 3x platinum Finland) album "Once" released in June 2004.
Just so I don't get misunderstood here, Nightwish had a decent fan base before 2003 but as the band stated themselves in an interview:
"For the first time ever we toured the U.S. last August, and that was very good actually. We also did our first tour of the U.K. And in a couple of weeks we’ll be touring Japan for the first time, with Australia straight after that. So we’re finally hitting these hard markets."
How was that for getting my facts right?
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This is uh, majorly because Metal fanbase is bigger, a lot bigger in Europe, but when American bands break through, they easily get european access.
Maybe you didn't realise that in europe, those bands don't always have the money to travel, whereas when in the US a band like this gets overhyped, is sent here there and everywhere and then comes back. I live in Europe and fuck, I have been thrown to death with Evanescence songs. That's marketing and labels for you. Nightwish can't do that, because the European scene doesn't allow for bands to tour the US easily, plus the European fanbase is just a lot bigger. This isn't true vice versa for US bands.
So the comparison is still moot.
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Edit: Decided not to continue the discussion, don't mind me This Message Edited On 02.11.07
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You're a bit late on this, Sepstrup. The guy already apologized that he was being a dick.
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Yeah, I even edited it before I saw your post.
EDIT: He does have a point that the whole 'if Evanescence had moved in a more metal direction' thing is stupid. That smells like close-minded metalhead to me.This Message Edited On 02.11.07
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heh heh heh, well, that's the way I like my music, but if she'd gone and done some Enya thing, or Cranberries or whatever direction that at least showed a form of musicality and wasn't totally generic and bland, I'd approve of it too; I'm not sure if I'd listen to it that much though.
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I think the album sales and the fact that it has gone 6x platinum is enough for the band to know their formula here worked out great.
Well, let's be realistic. Album sales usually reflect a strong single or two and a good marketing campaign. It doesn't necessarily represent consistent quality or musicianship. One of my favorite bands is Slough Feg. They have excellent melodies, creative songs structures, and some seriously catchy choruses. But, their last label didn't do much to promote them, so they haven't really caught on with most metalheads.
I am introduced to music over the radio, tv, rave parties etc...
Speaking personally, this site and the associated forums have introduced me to volumes upon volumes of new music that none of those other avenues ever could have. When's the last time you heard Lost Horizon on the radio? What are the odds MTV is going to play another Cramps video? How often do you think I'm going to hear The Hippos at a run-of-the-mill party?
How was that for getting my facts right?
You're still slightly skewed. In their homeland of Finland, Nightwish have been huge almost since day one. Cracking the American market is a difficult feat because... well, because of what you said earlier. You get all your music from the radio and TV. And I'm sorry to say that those media are sadly lagging behind the times and are more concerned with pushing whatever is in vogue than giving any sense of variety.
So for a European band, cracking the American market is a proverbial holy grail. It's one hell of an accomplishment. And this isn't even counting the financial reasons Altmer listed above.
Even Blind Guardian, one of today's most successful and influential power metal bands can't do a lot of touring in America because of the lack of commercial support.
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I don't take it personally when someone trashes my taste in them. No one has ever trashed your taste. They just don't like the band, can't be more obvious.
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worst. band. ever.
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hey if you dont like their music then fine but thats no reason to just bust her chops like that,. amy lee is in my opinion perhaps one of the great female vocalists of our time. dont say that about her, im pretty sure she could spank you singing any day.
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Spanking me singing is not a feat when you know I can't hold a single note properly.
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Some nice songwriting on this album.
And good band work in general.
But some of the songs are just plain irritating.
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