Album Rating: 3.0

Give it a few sample spins at your CD store or download a couple of MP3s... I'd buy it only because I'm a die-hard APC fan. If you didn't buy 13th Step or Mer des Noms, you shouldn't even be paying attention to any of this...except getting "Passive", if it's ever released as a single.



I'm treating it as a bonus album for fans. As a standalone full length it's terrible, but as bonus material for us fans of APC, it should be able to tide us over and satisfy our hunger until the next APC release which might not happen for years, or indefinitely. There are a few good songs, but plenty of junk in between.

for all who care!!!!!!!!! passive isnt really a original done by apc!!!!!!!!......its good i give it that and it is a original done by maynard........BUT ........the song was originally done for tapeworm another project maynard had with danny lohner.....for anyone who has kazaa just seach for tapeworm...or vacant.....when it was ment for tapeworm it was called vacant......or i found it by seaching a perfect circle but i got a live version and at the start he clearly states "this song was just a rumor until now it was for tapeworm a project with danny lohner but we have spiced it up a little" or sumthing along those lines damm if only i new how to post songs n stuff so u can listen to it

just download if u dont believe me

About time someone pointed the tapeworm out. Havn't heard Passive yet, but after reading the review it clearly takes off from 'Vacant' by Tapeworm. Still, Trent Reznor clearly stated that Tapeworm was no more, so why not produce the song in some way? I loved the cover by APC, such a powerful song, and I have been anticipating a studio release. "Aparently" the collapse of tapeworm had something to do with the covering of the song.

I think a lot of people are missing an important point to this CD. For someone like myself, being a younger listener and totally sheltered from anything that is classified as 'old school'. Maynard has given the listener the first step towards opening their mind to some quality older material, some real classics. I'm sure many people will look through their parent's old music collection to discover some wonderful peices of art.

I have heard 'Imagine' and thought that if anyone could do it, it would be APC.

Needless to say, I'm sure this album will provoke some thought and help a lot of people grow.

Well the last time this happened (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232419), I closed the thread, but that was mainly because The Joz had dibs on the review. As it is, I'll leave this open until the album's actually released - if all the information's still accurate and everything, then since the rule isn't actually isn't in the Rules, this can be the review. If not, I'll close this thread and put it back up grabs. In the meantime, I'll update the rules. My thanks to Iai, too.

Zappa - the problem isn't in people with downloaded albums reviewing them (though that was my point in one of the linked posts, that was from a long time ago), just with people downloading and reviewing albums before they're actually released, so your reviews are fine.

Somewhat on topic, I'll probably be picking up this album, regardless of ill-thought out/misguided political notions and the general low regard for covers albums, basically because I tend to enjoy whatever Maynard's involved in. I'm a fan of a fair few of the artists being covered, too (though not Fear..perhaps I should check them out), so I'm interested in hearing what's been done to them. Especially Joni Mitchell.

[QUOTE=Zappa]All I want to know is how the cover of "Let's Have a War" compares to Fear's original.

Because Fear are the greatest.

Ever.[/QUOTE]

The drums on APC - Let's have a war are really amazing.. yet subtle. It's my favorite song off of the album... But I haven't heard the original.. So you might think different, I'd guess

The fact that this guy reviewed this under the genre "Art-Rock/Prog-Rock" speaks wonders for how overrated these guys are by their fans.

Good review, but this is a bad album, and I am very disappointed in APC for bringing this out. I'd say it was comfortably the most disappointing album of the year for me to be honest. One small point about your review is that the tracklisting is wrong (I think). The one that I think is right (and is on my copy of this) is here

[QUOTE=knife_prty]About time someone pointed the tapeworm out. Havn't heard Passive yet, but after reading the review it clearly takes off from 'Vacant' by Tapeworm. Still, Trent Reznor clearly stated that Tapeworm was no more, so why not produce the song in some way? I loved the cover by APC, such a powerful song, and I have been anticipating a studio release. "Aparently" the collapse of tapeworm had something to do with the covering of the song.

I think a lot of people are missing an important point to this CD. For someone like myself, being a younger listener and totally sheltered from anything that is classified as 'old school'. Maynard has given the listener the first step towards opening their mind to some quality older material, some real classics. I'm sure many people will look through their parent's old music collection to discover some wonderful peices of art.

I have heard 'Imagine' and thought that if anyone could do it, it would be APC.

Needless to say, I'm sure this album will provoke some thought and help a lot of people grow.[/QUOTE]

I loved the live version for the Tapeworm Project. This one's different, but it's still great... plus the live version loses points for bad quality recording.

they should hav put on a studio version of the cover they did of David Bowie's Ashes to Ashes!

have any of you heard that?

amazing!

my uncle reviews CDs and concerts among other things for a living.

here's what he wrote about this CD:

[quote=robin's uncle]
A PERFECT CIRCLE

eMOTIVe

Virgin/EMI

** 1/2 (out of five)

A little more than a year after their last full lengther, Thirteenth Step, this industrial-cum-metal supergroup led by Tool’s Maynard James Keenan pointedly chose the U.S. Election Day to deliver this, in Keenan’s words, "collection of songs about war, peace, love and greed." Passioned intentions, given the two new originals (the ironically powerful Passive and the long-winded Counting Bodies Like Sheep To The Rhythm Of The War Drums, a sort of Pink Floyd circa Careful With That Axe Eugene for the 21st century). But it’s the disc’s new provocative, and oft-controversial, arrangements on the cover songs that will leave either horrified gasps (ambient, hushed synthesized vocals just don’t suit Led Zeppelin’s When The Levee Breaks) or arouse some morbid curiosity (an a cappella reading of Joni Mitchell’s Fiddle And The Drum and a disturbingly dark spin on John Lennon’s Imagine). So, no matter how Americans voted in the U.S. presidential election, it should never have been based on this sacrilege bent of classics.[/quote]



now, I must say, we have very similar tastes in music...I listen to some stuff he's never heard, and he listens to A LOT of stuff I've never heard (although he does review a lot of local area bands)

and from what I've heard of this cd (about 4 songs; including the 2 that were releassed on the website --imagine and counting bodies-- and Wehn The Levee Breaks and Passive and Peace love and understanding) and I am going to have to agree with him.

:-/


I'll still buy the CD however. I like Maynard's voice just that much!

[QUOTE=Iai]It explicitly states in the rules that you're not allowed to review albums until they're actually released.

And your line-up is horribly wrong.[/QUOTE]
the line up is right you prat!

oh yeh thsi album is good and nice review

[QUOTE=burton.and.gas]the line up is right you prat![/QUOTE]
except for the fact that the post was edited long ago;)

I'll be picking this cd up, even if I don't like it, at least then I'll have all the APC cd's to keep me busy listening to music (along with tool) until tool's next release .

I personally hate this album.

Imagine is the only song I still like.

To the reviewer:
I read in the Tool Thread that the other singer is actually Billy, who also does backing vocals for the band.

Album Rating: 3.0

[QUOTE=Medopalis]Good review, but this is a bad album, and I am very disappointed in APC for bringing this out. I'd say it was comfortably the most disappointing album of the year for me to be honest. One small point about your review is that the tracklisting is wrong (I think). The one that I think is right (and is on my copy of this) is here[/QUOTE]



thanks, I knew the tracklisting was going to be messed up.

This was an interesting disc. Some songs i absolutely loved (Passive, Imagine) and some i hated (Counting Bodies..., Ahnnialation) and some were just interesting choices for a band like APC (What's Going On - i did enjoy this track though).

3/5

Great for fans, not so good for casual listeners.

I personally really like Freedom of Choice, Imagine, Fiddle and the Drum, Passive,
I quite dislike Anhialation, gimme gimme gimme, and when the levee breaks however

I actually like Countig Bodies....it's reminds me of Die Eier Von Satan.....
although Pet (the version of this from thirteenth step) is a much better song.