Okay, let's forget Gravity exists for a sec (because if you really believe that for 3rd Planet, I'll let it slide as an error-carried-onwards) - what the fuck? Detailed explanation please?

Album Rating: 5.0

Go away classical boi

The vocal performance in 3rd perfomance is awful, it is almost as bad as the performance in Ohio. It isn't pleasant in any way or doing anything interesting, it's just really bad. I must say, and I think I mentioned this in Long Drive, everything they do is nice, Brook's guitar work, is quite nice, but his vocals? They (usually) are just not... Well, bad; they seem to go for that "I'm sounding emotional and saying emotional stuff" route rather than putting more work into it and make them good. Emo influence, I guess.

That's the main criticism I have of this album and the other two I listened too, the vocals are kind of okay at best and awful at worst.

Album Rating: 3.0

The vox are great. I'd say they have more of a rougher side of alt rock influence than emo influence. He reminds me of Frank Black when he sings and/or shouts in a certain register.

You may be right about the influence, but either way, the vocals are on the completely emotional side of things, and that's not something I consider good.

Album Rating: 4.0

Vocals are bad because they express emotion.



Got it, duly noted.

If that's what you assume I'm saying after reading my posts, go on.

Album Rating: 5.0

You probably like opera vocals don’t you

"The vocal performance in 3rd perfomance is awful, it is almost as bad as the performance in Ohio."
Coming from someone who finds Ohio a straight chore and generally considers this album's lyrics good but hella overrated, 3rd Planet is probably the most emotionally convincing track in the MM canon and I wouldn't change the thing about the vocals; they feel perfectly delivered to carry those particular lyrics, which are themselves pretty much a knockout.
I do understand why you like Tiny Cities so (relatively) much now - the vocals on that track are ice-cold and unemotional. For the reasons you've expressed though, how come you don't hate on Lives as much as Planet/Gravity? Would've thought that track would be first in the firing line

"You probably like opera vocals don’t you"
Is that a rhetorical question and I'm a bit dumb or are you the one who is a bit dumb?

"You probably like opera vocals don’t you"
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Can confidently claim that he does in fact not !

tiny cities is boss

"how come you don't hate on Lives as much as Planet/Gravity?"
I think those kind of "emotional" vocals can have some balance between their raw emotion and something, more, technical? I can't think of a better word right now. Anyway, Lives is better balanced than those two; I still dislike it though.

Album Rating: 5.0

“Technical” vocals are annoying 9/10 times (hence why I don’t like opera vocals as implied above), I go emotional all the way. Different strokes I guess.

Alright, I'm the one who is a bit dumb then, good. "Emotional" vocals just sound lame to me, they try to get a reaction from the listener outside of the sounds of music itself, instead of making music that is on itself emotionally moving because of its overall structure; it goes for the easier route of "hey, this dude really sounds like he's really feeling what he's saying, doesn't he?". Take those vocals out of their lyrical context and they become completely laughable (well, to be fair, I find them kind of laughable already), something that wouldn't happen with, for example, a Schubert lieder.
Once again, I come to the conclusion that program music was a mistake.

Album Rating: 3.0

J must still listen to baby's first classical, because his comments make me suspect he doesn't appreciate atonality.

Look at my 5.0s, Webern and Xenakis are there. Atonality has nothing to do with this anyway, I don't know why you mention it.

"take those vocals out of their lyrical context and they become completely laughable"
Well, yes, but that's a pretty laughable idea - the whole point is that they reflect that context. So from what you're saying, that style of delivery should be axed (in favour of something more technical? cleaner? how does being non-overtly emotional impact tone?), which would mean we're left with emotional lyrics performed in a way actively not indulging their emotional resonance (which to me sounds half-baked), or that those lyrics should never have been written in the first place because the necessitate an inadequate performance style (am not even gonna engage with this) - am I reading correctly?

"at this point i'd debate whether you even listen to music and if you rather just scroll through rym users ratings to concoct and validate your opinions"
Plz debate this I have chocolate biscuits and comfy cushions