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"Imagine reading that shit and being like “I feel like jamming neurosis rn”



As wolfe said it's been a couple of days already. I wanted to see if I was able to still enjoy this music. It's just way too engrained in my brain for me not to, just being honest.

^^wolfe for what it’s worth you didn’t really say anything that made me feel that way. You were just talking about your wife having a neurosis tattoo and how as someone who has done work with DA survivors it was bound to make her feel fucked up iirc. I’m talking about people that are essentially like “I personally feel victimized by my idol being a piece of shit”.

It’s just something I notice every time situations like this come up and I haven’t found a way to try and articulate it properly until now

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yeah the way you phased it there made me agree with you potsy. Previously I thought you went a bit overboard with your point.

Apologies, I’m a hyperbolic, passionate, and opinionated person and sometimes my initial attempts at expressing myself are… intense. And then I kind of walk it back a bit to something a little more palatable.

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No you're absolutely right, although I would think and would hope that THE most obvious concern is the family, almost goes without saying but OFCOURSE talk will also lead to how it effects your relationship with the music. That's only natural. There's only so much you can say about the family and you hope for them to get the fk away from the situation. As you said this is a bit personal to me but also because many of my friends are much closer to him than me, have been for decades, they know each other families. Etc etc. I mean they're just as broken, confused as all of us are. It really fucking hurts. Was his whole persona coordinated? Do we even know the guy at all? Then there's some weird almost pity for that POS as the whole world annihilates him, Everyone RIGHTFULLY calling him the worst monster fuck, but a few days ago you adored this guy. He deserves all the shit he is getting yet somehow it's still hard to watch it, why? I agree with it. It's all so fking confusing honestly I've never had to deal with anyone I know being a serial abused. So in all of the above they are questions and feelings that I've been fighting with but that doesn't mean my first and utmost concern is with the Kelly family because it absolutely fucking is. And these stories of something happened that made the Band sick and Sanford Il when he read it....I don't even wanna know but It's worse than I'm already letting myself believe at this point.

Yeah deez, as a party that knows him and has mutual friends etc that is all perfectly understandable. And perhaps you’re right that it should be assumed that most peoples primary concern is the wellbeing of the victim. Some people express sympathy by sharing examples of similar scenarios they’ve been in, and I know some people don’t like that. maybe others show it by expressing their own personal feelings. I just don’t relate to it much, sometimes to me it feels like people throw a pity party meant to reroute the focus onto themselves and it strikes me as disingenuous.

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Potsy, I happen to agree with your point and have been deliberating this very thing in my own head, especially in the last few days.

I think fan reactions get overboard anyway, one way or another. Hero worship of any kind is a dangerous thing--you *feel* like you somehow "know" them or are some kind of kindred spirit that can articulate a kind of essence of the soul in amazingly beautiful ways, then it turns out that they're flawed (and in some cases such as this, excessively so), and depending on the individual, and however much of their own personal identity is shaped by the media they consume, it becomes a lot to try and reconcile.

But yes, absolutely NOTHING compared to the matter at hand, and those personally effected. The band themselves worded this well in their statement. But music fans being music fans, inevitably end up wondering and questioning their own relationship to the music that's shaped them to some degree. It's not the greatest thing, but the mind goes there.

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It goes both sides as well you get people trying to make Scott the victim, fans who just wont blame him or disown him and then with it come also so many fking try hards. There was a guy yesterday saying he now worried that when Scotss wife got ill a few years ago that maybe it was to do with this.And the gofundme was a ploy. It isnt. It 100% isnt the go fund me was set up by her friend and there where updates on how it was going from Sarah herself with exactly what was happening in the hospital etc etc. Easy to find out yourself by spending 1 minute on google/gofundme. In showing this guy that cut and paste statmeent from Sarah herself I was called 'A child abuse enabler' hahaha Seriously. Its brought out all fking types.

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I actually agree with pots in people making celebrities/musicians screw ups about themselves. However, I feel like with Neurosis is different. Post-metal is such a niche genre you would think you are escaping from all of the bullshit. It's the first time something like this comes out from this "scene", that was regarded "safe" for lack of a better word. Steve Von Till called Neurosis "soul music", and Aaron Turner referred to post-metal as "thinking man's metal". There was an idea, or maybe an image that has been torn here by one of the pillars in the genre.



Even though I encourage fans not feeling guilt while enjoying their music, since Neurosis are also 4 more guys and so the overall sound comes from different places (plus their musical legacy is undisputable), I also understand if some people simply won't be able to enjoy their music anymore. I understand if Neurosis is no longer an escape. I hope I'm making sense here.



I tried giving the guy the benefit of doubt and hoped that he changed or was still in the process of. I'm actually still confused as if the abuse he was talking about was prior the 2017 original post or afterwards, because that would change a lot of my own initial views. Regardless, just yesterday after reading the band's post I realize Scott isolated himself and alienated everyone in his life. I think his family should have pressed charges. He belongs either in prison or in a psychiatric ward, the guy is not well in the head but that's besides the point.

This has been some good discourse thanks for those posts from all of you.

I think I’ve been fortunate that this hasn’t happened to an artist that I truly idolize, but at the same time I’ve been trying to put myself in a hypothetical position where it has and I honestly can’t think of anyone where it would cause me much personal strife. I think I kind of see peoples music as something pretty distinct from the person behind it for the most part. Sometimes the person behind it heightens it or makes it worse, but I just don’t feel much of a personal attachment to any artists beyond their music. It would change how I feel about the music and artist of course but I don’t feel that it would ever personally hurt me.


I’m also very cynical and misanthropic and even often a bit of a misandrist tho so perhaps my baseline view of people is perhaps a bit skewed towards not being surprised how often people - especially men - turn out to be total pieces of shit

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@banana when he initially cut himself off his family where trying to help him, that's why 'she absolutely speaks for me' was said by him. You've not been able to talk to Scott about anything unless going through his wife since that time. I don't know if it broke down tenfold after that,before. The band are saying they were aware of something especially bad in 2019, Sanford an email in 2021 but that could be something that happened before. I dunno..

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Yeah I get it pots, you're right it's a lot to take in but ultimately ill be fine.



It is a really sad situation. Hopefully the family get the help they need and will be ok. Thats all I can hope for at this point.

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I'll admit my initial reaction has been self-centered. Like Wolfe said, it's hard to dissociate when their music has been a huge part of my life for over a decade. But it's my bad.

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bananatossing: 'Post-metal is such a niche genre you would think you are escaping from all of the bullshit. It's the first time something like this comes out from this "scene", that was regarded "safe" for lack of a better word. Steve Von Till called Neurosis "soul music", and Aaron Turner referred to post-metal as "thinking man's metal".'

Yeah, essentially, this is correct. There is a sense that calling "Thinking Man's" anything, is setting yourself (or in this case, the scene) up for a fail, as it's somewhat pretentious and just by the fact that there are many bands and fans that are part of it, it's inevitable that there'd be wrong'uns amongst them. But the "soul music" aspect--whilst still not entirely without pretension--is in essence closer to describing what this is, and the weight this band in particular carries.

There feels something heavily at odds. The notion that transcendent, spiritually moving/uplifting work of this calibre lacks authorial sincerity is jarring, even when there is an attempt to separate art from artist (not talking about the other members of course, more in general terms).

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"Post-metal is such a niche genre you would think you are escaping from all of the bullshit. It's the first time something like this comes out from this "scene", that was regarded "safe" for lack of a better word. Steve Von Till called Neurosis "soul music", and Aaron Turner referred to post-metal as "thinking man's metal".





I didn't have a clue what post metal was (and kinda still) but i gravitaded to those kind of bands whitout acknowledging there was something in common, Neurosis, Isis, Cult of Luna, Deafheaven, Amenra, Vattnet Viskar, Ulcerate, Oathbreaker, Wolves In The Throne Room, Altar of Plagues, they all shared this kind of approach in music and it was my thing all along, so i just wanted to say that post metal rules

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said it before, said it again, don't feel guilty for your emotional connection to music, just pirate the fuck out of it, at the end of the day you are entitled to your own feelings in regards to any piece of music, tricky bit is when fanaticism gets in the way of common sense, Michael Jackson is my fav artist of all times and he was a piece of shit but that doesn't change the fact that it meant the world to me when my dad bought me my first record of his when i was a kid, i just gotta be honest about him and not let my feelings get in the way of the voices of people who were actually hurt by him

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Of course there are a bunch of people coming out of the woodwork on Facebook saying stuff like "Neurosis clearly knew what Scott was doing for years! How would they not?" But honestly, it legitimately seems like nobody knew (at least until the band cut ties with him in 2019). From what I understand, Scott was really good at putting up a facade, even in front of the people closest to him

Yeah, blaming his band mates is bullshit. You don’t know someone til you know em. People like Scott are professionals at their craft of manipulation and deceit.