aint no vocoder on here
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its all just pitch shifted vocal samples
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Album Rating: 2.0
Oh aight I assumed vocoders pitch shift. What’s the distinction?
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vocoder is like kraftwerk or daft punk, the vocals themselves are being synthesized. burial is taking existing samples and modifying them with software
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Album Rating: 2.0
Ohh cool thanks man
I just read johnnys “why would pointless art be bad”. I can’t tell if that’s a serious question. The only justification I could see for this is music that is purely for recreational entertainment and nothing more. Which is perfectly fine but lacks depth by definition and I don’t think applies to downtempo music
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Album Rating: 4.0
Vocoders are like a distortion filter typically applied to live vocals. They mainly impact timbre (but also dynamics and eq depending on how they compress the input sound), ed. + yes mbad can be used to synthesize vocals
Pitch shifting is literally just adjusting the pitch so that the sample is in the same key as the rest of the tune. Samples will also be accelerated/decelerated slightly to match (or v slightly offset, which is something Burial plays with in his beats) the tempo
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Album Rating: 4.0
well okay, put that question another way - what do you think is a more valuable way of criticising or evaluating art between you arbitrating on whatever you happen to think the "point" of it is, or you making a judgement on how well it expresses whatever it expresses
"what's it trying to say" and "how does it say it" are so much more helpful than incessant "well why's it saying it"s, and i have no idea why you would ever limit yourself to the latter. who gives a shit what the "point" is lol, that's just a later way to process a reaction or experience that should v much be the focal element
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VzTEnDHbuc
thats a vocoder. it uses your voice as the tone generator instead of an oscillator.
and ryus already explained vocal samples.
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Album Rating: 2.0
I see what you’re saying. I think the best music does have a statement to make otherwise it is artistically banal. I genuinely couldn’t find any poignant expression in this on first listen. The music is certainly morose but with such little musical complexity and dynamics, it has little to offer. The only lyrics I could make out are “you lied” in the self titled track of an album named untrue which only drives this point home.
I think the real foundation for this argument, for me at least, is artistic expression is a means of exploring complex or deep seeded feelings and ideas and if there is no sentiment to connect with than it is largely pointless
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Album Rating: 4.5
Endorphin goes hard
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Album Rating: 2.0
Is that the soulless vocoded one or the vocal tonal oscillator one that’s shit?
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Album Rating: 4.5
bump
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kinda crazy that this is like my 4th favorite burial release. dude is incredible
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Album Rating: 4.0
i mean no offense, but i am not about to trust Art Must Have Concrete Meaning! arguments from someone whose idea of 'deep' meaning can't survive without lyrical explication lol. if you're only going to accept profound statements from stuff that's spelt out on your behalf then, well, enjoy those horizons.
this album's illustrations of urban bleakness are every bit as meaningful or 'deep' (as in richly contoured and substantive) as anything on Closer or Deathconsciousness (and if you think the latter's lyrics are an unparalleled example of depth, then i think we're gonna have to wade out of edge cred before this can go any further)
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Album Rating: 2.0
Disagree there John.
It’s not rooted in insurmountable ‘real’ bleakness like Closer it’s just waftiness wrapped around conjured visions of what it tries to invoke.
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Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off
Boots n cats n boots n cats
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Album Rating: 5.0
this one more
boot, cat, bootcat
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Album Rating: 4.0
bleakness can be nebulous and does not need a leaden voice deadpanning its despair to convey itself as such
amazed we are still on the level of "let me gatekeep what art is real based on my own emotional sensitivities" but hey ok
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Album Rating: 2.0
It’s all about anchoring the ‘form’ to what is real otherwise it’s all bollocks.
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Album Rating: 4.0
dissociation and estrangement do be proper bollocks, but blaming Burial for getting under their skin is the wrong end of the stick
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