“ See, I don't think lyrics can "make" the song. If the song is bad, the lyrics aren't going to make it good.”

Yeah but they can make an okay song great. And there is no other individual facet of music that can make a bad song great so it’s a mute point anyways.

Album Rating: 2.0

Lyrics absolutely can make a song, especially in a certain context. Folk music, as Pots mentioned, is heavily dependent upon storytelling and the way the songwriter gets the audience to connect to their narratives. The instrumentals are often more of a backdrop to the words, which are prominently featured in the mix. I'd argue emo music also has a heightened dependence on lyrical payoffs, and powerful lyricism can really elevate material--also worth mentioning because vocal delivery in both of those genres can be forgiven if they're scratchy/poor/etc whatever else if the passion is present in the lyrics.

Album Rating: 1.5

See, but no, you watch and listen to movies - if the movie visually doesn't appeal, I'm sure that could be something that many people could not get over and no amount of great writing or dialogue could overcome it (obviously the music/movies distinction is a little more nuanced than that, but just roughly illustrating the point)



And I think you point about folk music is my point as well. I do agree that great lyrics can make good songs great, but you have to actually be someone who can enjoy the sounds of a particular piece of music itself before the lyrical context pulls much weight.

Based mars

“ diamonds in the trees pentagrams
In the night sky”

Ahhh, sums up the album quite nicely. This is why i didn’t get it. Whole time, i thought it was “Donny Osmond in the trees”

Album Rating: 1.5

Yeah I actually agree with Mars, and you Pots lol



"Yeah but they can make an okay song great"



That's sorta the point, like, if I can't stand the sound of this shitty sleep token record, no amount of "but the lyrics are profound" is going to make me like the sounds hitting my ears

“but you have to actually be someone who can enjoy the sounds of a particular piece of music itself before the lyrical context pulls much weight.”

It’s not more nuanced this is quite plainly a dumb argument

I have to be someone who can enjoy the sounds of a particular piece of music before literally any other independent piece can elevate it. Great guitar work isn’t going to elevate a song if all the other components are trash.

“That's sorta the point, like, if I can't stand the sound of this shitty sleep token record, no amount of "but the lyrics are profound" is going to make me like the sounds hitting my ears”

But better percussion would? No. Music is a whole. All of the pieces and parts are important.

Album Rating: 1.5

Yeah, that's sort of the point, but I think there's a bit of a distinction between lyrics and the rest of the pieces in an arrangement. For example, so many people enjoy incredibly harsh vocals and are able to enjoy a piece of music with no regard for what the lyrical content is (it may be indecipherable, yadda yadda). Now, the lyrical content may make you like the song a great deal more or less, but it is not going to make someone who can't bare to listen to harsh vocals change want to listen any more or any less.

Album Rating: 3.5

I think it's obvious at this point that I kind of always gravitated towards "emo" even when I was too young to really understand why. It's always funny to me when a bands appeal to people is omg sick riffz bc I don't think that's ever been the main draw for me. Like shit like dragonforce is like the guitar equivalent to all those rappers who are like "SPIRITUAL LYRICAL INDIVIDUAL GONNA KILLEM WITHTHEVENOMANDINCINERATEEM" where it's about how fast it is.

Also, Koyaanisqatsi is the only movie with good dialogue, so…

Album Rating: 3.5

You're right that if a song sounds like shit then "but the lyrics" usually won't help. But I've noticed stuff like this is much easier on the ears than say the indecipherable samey mess I get with your average "brutal" death metal album. The emphasis on melody, dynamic, loud parts accentuating it rather than being the whole piece. Idk.

Album Rating: 2.0

omg if you blame the strawman brutal death fan again I swear to God lmao

Album Rating: 1.5

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Album Rating: 3.5

Lol no but tbh that's just an example. Stuff like that often becomes a samey indecipherable blob and I struggle to get how the fans can really differentiate one album from another. Like how is Sanguisugabogg a 3.5 but Waking the Cadaver a 1.5? They sound the fucking same LOL

Album Rating: 2.0

Dude you have made this point several times now, nobody has brought bdm up as a comparison point except you, the bdm fans are not crusading against Sleep Token.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTuvmQNiO3w

not for the faint of heart :D

baraka >>

Album Rating: 2.0

If anything, Sleep Token has united people of many genres together in mutual dunk-age

“ They sound the fucking same LOL”
Yeah, but their names don’t. Have you said Sanguisugabogg out loud? Very fun

Album Rating: 3.5

Sanguisugmaballs

And tbh I've been seeing this album piss off certain groups elsewhere the same way Babymetal caused a stink so clearly they're doing something right.