Album Rating: 4.0

@dbizzles: You obviously missed the part where the majority of regular users here were predicting this album would be average at best based on leaked info and the release of Humble. Such is the way this site is towards big name hip-hop artists (including Kendrick) at the moment I honestly believe the opposite of what you're saying to be true. If this wasn't by Kendrick it would quite likely get more love on here at least from a lot of the regular users.

Album Rating: 5.0

Jamie fucking knows

Album Rating: 4.0

I must have missed the memo that liking Kendrick isn't cool anymore because most people I know have been talking about him nonstop for the past month.

Album Rating: 2.5

"Needlessly complicated philosophy. Personal enjoyment and all art is subjective and that's a fact."

Translation: you are wrong and I am right, because I said so. Thanks then :D

Does it mean that the juvenile poetry I wrote when I was 12 is as beautiful, if not even more, than Victor Hugo's greatest poems? Does it means that my dickbutt drawing is worth Van Gogh's Starry Night?



"I'm not gonna spend my entire life telling ppl that their taste is not theirs, I'd rather just let ppl enjoy (or not) music and all else. "



Why are you even discussing about the album then? As all art is worth one another, why would your opinion be meaningful? Everyone has one, and those do not matter since everything has the same value. Actually why would my opinion be worse than yours if I didn't listen to the album? Everything had the same value anyway.

Moreover, why do you say "this album's good" and not "I like this" ? Those aren't synonyms as far as I know.

Album Rating: 2.5

If this wasn't by Kendrick it would quite likely get more love on here at least from a lot of the regular users.'



HA! Nonesense



'Firstly by saying "hahah thats so childish. 'Awwww its JUs coz U guys downt lyk Kenrick :'( '" as if that's any different to you basically saying "it's just cos you guys love Kendrick so much that you rate this so highly".'



Fair but Which is exactly what youre doing above also!

Album Rating: 5.0

I'd put money on dbizzles liking this album way more if it wasn't Kendrick

Album Rating: 2.5

Doubt it. I'm not huge into hip hop, tbh. And really I only dig a couple a couple songs from this, it's not like I'm pretending I don't like it.

Album Rating: 2.5

This might be the only hip hop album I've heard from this year.

Album Rating: 3.5

hip hop is my second highest pie slice and I've still only listened to two hip hop albums this year

Album Rating: 5.0

Just seems like the Kendrick hype train rubs you the wrong way alittle, that's why I say it @bizzles

Album Rating: 5.0

Azertherion, that's how you interpreted my statement. I'd feel silly to answer your inquiries because what you made my statement out to be was not the point I was trying to make. But regardless...



There is obviously more artistic merit and objectively good qualities; better technique to a Van Gogh painting than to some juvenile doodle. Objectively, there is more effort and much more skill in the Van Gogh painting. Does that mean I have to like it at all? If I don't get anything out of it for myself, it's subjectively poor to me. I don't rlly enjoy it, it's not to my taste, etc.



There's some metal bands out there with remarkably able and virtuoso guitar players. There is objectively better technique, but the music itself is subjective.



There's no difference to 'this album's good' and 'I like this' when you stop looking at the words in a vacuum and see that whenever I say that an album is good, that's to my own taste. I don't have to specify that that's my opinion every time I say so, it's implied.

Album Rating: 5.0

Nevertheless, I've been seeing some really elitist attitudes regarding taste in music communities lately and I'm tired of it. It's good to have discussions about music but my taste is uniquely mine and anyone elses is uniquely theirs. I'm not here to dissect anyone's taste, I'd rather let people enjoy.

Album Rating: 2.5

So we wont be seeing you on a single thread of an album you dont like? K

Album Rating: 5.0

Nah, I'll be there. But I won't be a bitch about it... Not saying that anyone was.

Album Rating: 2.5

"There's no difference to 'this album's good' and 'I like this' when you stop looking at the words in a vacuum and see that whenever I say that an album is good, that's to my own taste. "



Immanuel Kant begs to disagree. If we traditionally use "this is beautiful" and not "I find this beautiful", it's not by facility, it's because we spontaneously project our aesthitical feeling as an absolute. Even thought taste is subjective, as you stated, we consider beauty as something universal and absolute, even thought there's no consensus over it's appreciation.



"There is obviously more artistic merit and objectively good qualities; better technique to a Van Gogh painting than to some juvenile doodle. Objectively, there is more effort and much more skill in the Van Gogh painting."



It's not that much about technique than it is about style. Technicity itself isn't the guarantee for any piece of art to be good. Picasso started his carrier painting in a very classic, detailled style, inspired it's peers. At the end of his blue/pink period he gradually transformed his style, inspired by african art and surrealism, into cubism, that is technically less demonstrative. As his style became more and more abstract he declared: "I've lost interest in my early works. All I ever wanted to do is to paint as a child would".



Style is what defines art's aesthetics. It's where all the quality of an artwork resides, and the closest form of objectivity one can achieve is by discerning it's boundaries. It's where objectivity and subjectivity coexists, throught taste and experience.

Album Rating: 2.5

Believe me, AlexK, I was on that train before TPAB came out so I get it.

Album Rating: 5.0

That's a fair analysis, but even with style... The 'style' of something is objective, one can pinpoint styles down and group them into labels, ID them etc. But the appreciation of a style is not universal, my opinion on a style is still uniquely mine, or yours, or anyone's. I guess that's how objectivity and subjectivity exist?

Album Rating: 2.5

Expected the dick riding bandwagon hipsters and i got it. Nice. Album is awful imo, and almost objectively. Sloppy, lazy, no after thought. Just put together in cheap arrogance [cue retards saying thats art]

Album Rating: 5.0

Sigh

Album Rating: 2.5

"But the appreciation of a style is not universal, my opinion on a style is still uniquely mine, or yours, or anyone's."



Indeed, that's where personal taste interfers. Taste is determined by an important amount of factors that depends from one's environment. That's where appreciation and experience are needed; any genre has it's codes, it's boundaries and characteristics. Style is what uses these characteristics to strive for beauty, therefore the understanding of a style comes from experience of the genre it takes place in. Different genres have different aesthetical ambitions, and the understanding of those respective ambitions comes from getting your ear used to these genres. People that are big on Metal, Prog or Classical can have terrible taste in Pop music if they're not used to it. It's different cultures with different goals.



An experienced rap listener's opinion will have more weight to determine what Rap albums are good, since his ear is used to the genre; he can discern the artist's style more easily than a new listener would. However he may be big on Rap, if he never listened to Blues he will interpret any Blues albums he would listen to with his own experience, that is not used to the genre and it's styles. Therefore his opinion will be weightless on that specific genre. It's inter-subjectivity.



There's obviously no such thing has absolute objectivity since our appreciation of art is often mostly on an emotional level. However not all opinions are worth the same on their relative topics. Not all artworks are worth one another neither.