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robertsona
Emeritus
November 21st 2022


28661 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Sometimes I think a lot of metal music is a race toward the purest expression of unhingedness and sometimes I think the ending of “fault and fracture” is indeed the purest expression of all

DadKungFu
Emeritus
November 22nd 2022


6144 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Listened to this recently after a multi-year break and I was surprised by how punk it is more than metal, like when I was listening to it on repeat in the early days I was caught up hearing all the heaviness and chaos but the heart of this thing really is in hardcore punk

Demon of the Fall
November 22nd 2022


39136 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Yep, the punk vs metal tilt / perception is certainly something that's changed for me over the years as well

but then I barely metalled at all when I was getting into this, so Converge often being labelled broadly as 'metalcore' or 'extreme metal' certainly didn't exactly give me the proper perspective... I knew of the punk origins also, yet that's never how it felt back then, not initially

idk, not explaining this very well

IsisScript80
November 22nd 2022


1755 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Well, they're literally a pioneering band in Metalcore--which by its definition, is a fusion of the two.

Demon of the Fall
November 22nd 2022


39136 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

we're talking about historic personal perception here, no disputing that they are in fact both

I always knew this, in 2004-5 (or whatever it was) I knew this - just that my brain hears different things now, as my perception has changed over the years

Mort.
November 22nd 2022


26405 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

i remember seeing some article about how the brain processes music differently and you need to train it to pick up things happening in very fast/chaotic music



i do remember listening to stuff like this or dillinger escape plan and it being 'just noise'



Wildcardbitchesss
November 22nd 2022


19895 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

lol I remember hearing that little opening riff on Sugar Coated Sour and thinking “why can’t the entire song be like that!” lmfao

Demon of the Fall
November 22nd 2022


39136 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

there was something strangely cool af about '43% Burnt' even tho I was generally pretty confused by the album, lol

I think the simplicity of Homewrecker's repetition got to me in the end here, I remember having both on a giant playlist I'd created using iTunes (from my CD uploads). I think that must have helped. The vox were (naturally) the biggest obstacle though and no individual track could prepare you for that in this instance, just had to persevere

IsisScript80
November 22nd 2022


1755 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

This sort of thing is definitely an acquired taste, but found it monumentally rewarding in the long run. The fact that this (and the aforementioned DEP's discography) is done so well, and is so dense, it has incredible longevity as it's so far removed from the disposable chewing gum hit of most pop structure.

IsisScript80
November 22nd 2022


1755 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

^ I'm not saying it's mutually exclusive, and yes it absolutely articulates fierce and essential. I'm specifically referring to the above conversation about the nature of perseverance beyond the initial "WTF, this is noise" response, common to this style of music.

Demon of the Fall
November 22nd 2022


39136 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Isis has clearly never heard tDEP’s Black Bubblegum, surely the definition of a ‘disposable chewing gum hit’

I actually don’t mind the song, by the way

IsisScript80
November 22nd 2022


1755 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

^ Lol! I have, and it happens to be from my favourite album of theirs...

Don't get me wrong--I love me some pop; it's the rinsing of something you like (often via a hook) that tends to make a person tire of it in the long run. It's the reason why I really dug something like Billie Eilish's first album when it came out, KNOWING that by sometime later its addicting effects would've worn off completely.

In DEP's case, when Greg Puciato came in, he added these elements in parts, sparingly, and the hooks felt triumphant and earned amidst all the complexity... a genuine artistic choice in embracing all genres that they happened to like (upto and including covering Aphex Twin and Justin Timberlake).

Wildcardbitchesss
November 22nd 2022


19895 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I feel like with Greg’s ego at the time the dude was probably like “yeah, we’ll do a radio rock song, and we’ll do it better than you.”

Space Jester
November 23rd 2022


11562 Comments


He wasn’t wrong

VlacDrac
November 23rd 2022


2895 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

@Storm In A Teacup Glad you've finally seen the light.

climactic
November 30th 2022


22926 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

thaw sounds like an axe to fall track 8 years early

BigPleb
November 30th 2022


65808 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

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unclereich
November 30th 2022


14113 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

clim more like clame

deathschool
December 1st 2022


29489 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

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TRMshadow
December 5th 2022


5119 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Don't know if it's the "best" but it's definitely my favorite. SO good.



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