Id never listen to something i didnt like that many times.
i’ve done it a few times in varying circumstances. with some stuff like yeezus or the dream is over by pup, i actually liked parts of those records and not others, so i played em again and again and again in an effort to see if they would click or at least understand why i didnt like them. and i didnt end up liking them any more than i already did. but with other records, like haru to shura from last year, i might’ve played em 5+ times (sometimes 10) and it would take all those plays before i went “oh i actually like this”. usually i’ll revisit records i dont like cuz i’ll have a feeling that i dont rlly understand whats going on. but when you think about it, this is kinda most records cuz srsly you dont absorb shit after the first front-to-back playthru. you might find that there are some moments throughout that rlly affect/disgust you, but nobody really understands an entire record unless they’ve played it multiple times.
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Yes, usually you need to listen to a record more than once to digest it, but listening to something more than 4-5 times within the span of one month just to like it is just fucking weird
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"That just sounds like forcing your brain into liking it rather than having it grow on you. Id never listen to something i didnt like that many times."
mostly it was the fact that I looked at the lyrics and finally realized the genius
and yeah repeat listens often end up being kinda necessary for me since I do most of my music listening at work, where it's totally acceptable to have headphones on but less so to be staring at lyrics sites (or this one lol) and not actually getting things done
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Sorry, it's just not cut and dry like that. Music is, of course, subjective, as is each individuals process with it. There are instances where I havent ~liked~ something but felt that I didnt understand it and have grown to understand it, but there are also instances where there is nothing to get other than that it's not for me. Those are different levels of discernment.
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It sounds to me like this debate is more about someone being unwilling to accept someone not agreeing with them more than anything. Just a goofy and trite argument all around.
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@pots [2] (altho I can think of times you’ve done what you just described)
Fuck You Chuck
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Album Rating: 2.0
It’s what I call the ‘bud of intrigue’.
If after one listen I don’t like or ‘get’ an album but there’s something I can’t quite nail down intriguing me about it I’ll probably return.
This album had that at the first listen so I returned. After two listens the bud of intrigue has all but been satisfied and I’m happy to move on.
Some shit there is no bud of intrigue and I know I have no interest in it at all and won’t return to it given the choice.
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Ususally if you know what you like and have explored enough music you have acquired a certain level of discernment for what has potential and what you just don't and will not ever like.
hard disagree. no amount of experience allows you to just immediately discern what you’re gonna like because albums are relatively long, detailed and impossible to fully internalise and thus holistically analyse after only one spin, so an immediate judgment is always surface level. at best, such judgment is a time-saving tool, but ofc we all make use of it because, as has been raised a few times in this thread, we cant listen to all the music that people say is good but we dont immediately like. aint nobody got time for dat.
It sounds to me like this debate is more about someone being unwilling to accept someone not agreeing with them more than anything.
obviously the debate follows from disagreement on a subjective matter, but the actual point beyond the implied childishness is that time-saving listening habits can create a kind of echo chamber where you’re just listening to music because its similar to shit you already like and dismissing a lot of stuff you dont understand, risking stagnation of taste and even just general lethargy and dismissiveness.
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@noler likewise you chronic goof
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Dimsim your entire argument hinges on the expectation that people are the same as you. People have different primary modes of perception and they have different musical horizons. I'm at a place where I've found music I like in virtually every genre so your example of dumbing music down to "only listening to what sounds like what you already like" is irrelevant to me, and many others.
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Some people are more intuitive, some are more cerebral etc, some are just simple like you and need to listen to brokencyde 40 times to figure out that they hate it. That's cool and all but dont project your own handicaps on to other people.
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I'm down with doofs "bud of intrigue concept", I get that
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I wonder if dimsim feels the same way about movies because his reasonings for why you cant ever engage in an album off one listen enough to write it off could easily be applied to those and others as well. Like there arent different approaches such as passive and focused engagement and like different examples all have the same amount of depth lmao. So contrived.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Pots giving this a 1 is really not much different than me giving it a 5. There are complex, personal histories behind these ratings, and it is silly to debate them as if there is some objective standard to assigning a numeric value to an album
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Album Rating: 3.5
Well.... I just wanna say I like this album.
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I've found music I like in virtually every genre so your example of dumbing music down to "only listening to what sounds like what you already like" is irrelevant to me, and many others.
the thrust of my contention is that even if you have heard tonsa music of many different varieties, the album format (particularly as a result of its length) necessarily means that a single listen is never conclusive regardless of experience with genres - it sounds like a skeptical contention (no matter how much you know, you cant know for sure), but only when taken to the extreme (like “you should listen to brokencyde 40 times just to be sure”). making an “intuitive” judgment after one listen usually only takes into account surface level elements like style and general songwriting character, but assuming songwriting and composition are not totally dead simple (as i would say this album is not and something like brokencyde is, iirc), it takes a very holistic view based on relatively well established memory of a record to glean a meaningful degree of understanding that can yield a fair, conclusive assessment of composition.
but what you’re talking about isnt a full, measured assessment of an entire album; its a relatively immediate, subjective assessment after one listen, with the conclusion being that its not at all in your tastes, and that you shouldnt waste time on it, and thats fine, cuz most ppl dont waste their time on shit they vehemently dislike. you also dont seem to lack an understanding of why you dislike this. if i think something’s a 1 after one listen (this doesnt happen often) and i have any understanding as to why, i probably wouldnt waste my time either. so the point is obviously directed at people where they dont totally dislike an album after one listen, especially those with less expansive “musical horizons” than yourself, which is most people. and that point is, i think, simple and reasonable — give the album more time if you want and you might get more out of it. or dont, cuz you got other stuff to listen to, and its just another album, and this is just a discussion. but until you do, you dont have a credible overall view of the work.
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Album Rating: 3.5
Yeah, this is good music. 👌
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hey death is this yr first laura album?
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Potsy getting totally rekt by dimsim here
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Album Rating: 3.5
Nah, duuuude. I’ve loved Sit Resist and Wheel for a few years now.
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