Titus Andronicus The Monitor
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Enotron
August 1st 2010


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haha not to mention that fight club uses consumerism and faceless institutions as a theme and the monitor uses the civil war, honestly don't see what robertsona was trying to say

robertsona
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August 1st 2010


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i wasnt implying anything; simply asking--once again, ive never seen fight club


it just seemed to me that the people who like this and the people who like fight club seemed to cite--at the core (the details in
the two are obviously very different, not to mention theyre two completely different mediums)--this similar invigoration in them
that the album/movie caused and stuff

Enotron
August 1st 2010


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no this is the stupidest thing you ever read in your life: ashflsdkjhfjlasdhfusdhfoiawhfiuewhfkmadkjsdhfjlsdjklfdsahiufhwlfhewljfhewjkfndslkhfkhfluwhjwhwhjHAHABOOBS

WeepingBanana
August 1st 2010


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"you will always be a loser, and thats ok"

that doesn't scream fight club to me


on second thought, i revoke that touché

tyler durden is pretty much stoic about being "the middle children of history" or whatever and it seems like his goal is to help people accept that "god does not love you, in fact he probably hates you"

robin
August 1st 2010


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its okay robertsona i respect you

Enotron
August 1st 2010


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All I can say is that Fight Club is nearly about becoming a slave to nihilism. the monitor is about acceptance in the long run. the acceptance of being ineffectual and the acceptance of one's character.

WeepingBanana
August 1st 2010


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can't you kind of imagine tyler durden yelling at edward norton:

"YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A LOSER AND THAT'S OKAY"

shindip
August 1st 2010


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Album Rating: 5.0

In the end of both, it seems as if both characters sort of give up and accept their fate

robin
August 1st 2010


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i dont think the monitor is really about nihilism since they name all the things they're not, but i've never watched this film everyone talks about so

Enotron
August 1st 2010


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but the "thats ok" part contradicts the nature of the film, every basic revolutionary thought becoming radicalized to a point where edward norton becomes enslaved by progression.



i mean this is all speculation, but that's how i see it

WeepingBanana
August 1st 2010


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Tyler Durden: Fuck damnation, man! Fuck redemption! We are God's unwanted children? So be it!
Narrator: OK. Give me some water!
Tyler Durden: Listen, you can run water over your hand and make it worse or...
[shouts]
Tyler Durden: look at me... or you can use vinegar and neutralize the burn.
Narrator: Please let me have it... *Please*!
Tyler Durden: First you have to give up, first you have to *know*... not fear... *know*... that someday you're gonna die.

cmon...

Enotron
August 1st 2010


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and then the film eventually progresses to a reeducation-esque labor camp with tyler durden's voice saying over a mic "you are not a unique and individual snowflake"

WeepingBanana
August 1st 2010


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right, and he's getting them to accept it. you know like, "that's okay"

shindip
August 1st 2010


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Album Rating: 5.0

its weerd because thats true

Enotron
August 1st 2010


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but fight club seems to end in revolutionary, entity enforced collectivism, but the monitor ends in celebratory, reactionary individualism

shindip
August 1st 2010


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Album Rating: 5.0

nawww fight club supports individualism too

Enotron
August 1st 2010


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"you are not a unique, individual snowflake"



what I'm attempting to stress is that The Monitor accepts that their will always be some sort of mainstream, and Fight Club, in attempts to destroy mainstream-ism, creates an alternate one

shindip
August 1st 2010


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Album Rating: 5.0

but doesnt the alternate one eventually turn into the mainstream itself, and at the end the character breaks out of it and becomes his own person once again, supporting individualism?

shindip
August 1st 2010


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Album Rating: 5.0

i havent seen the movie in a while, but thats what I got out of it

Enotron
August 1st 2010


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well I actually plan on watching it again tonight : D, so I'll see



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