Agalloch The Serpent and the Sphere
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Atari
Emeritus
May 7th 2014


28079 Comments


I mean it's not the best song they've ever written, but I don't see what's "so bad" about it. I quite enjoy the first few tracks

Judio!
May 7th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Eh, just drags more so than any other track. I guess it isn't particular horrible, but no song on this album is. Just a bland tune that has less to offer than the other tracks.

KriegdemKriege
May 7th 2014


1544 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

"The answer is simple: Agalloch no longer have any idea what they’re doing."



This is a pretentious, unfounded statement that you do absolutely nothing to back up.



Alright, you don't like the album. Fine. But to say that the artist doesn't know what they're

doing
? You're not in the position to make that statement.



I'm tempted to neg just because of that line, but the review is very well written. I pos'd.

Judio!
May 7th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

@KriegdemKriege



Damn, sorry that statement rubbed you the wrong way. I see where your criticisms are coming from and

am totally open to rewording it, but I still stand by what I said. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you

seem to be taking what I said a bit too literally. I obviously can't say for certain whether or not

the band members knew what they are doing since I don't know any of them personally or anything like

that. But keep in mind that this a review, and I tried very hard to support and back up that

statement. In fact, that statement may very well be the thesis of my review. What I meant by the

statement was that, before this release, it always seemed like Agalloch knew exactly what they were

doing; with every album having a clear, narrative-like motive and purposeful melodic/heavy portions

of songs. On this album, it seemed to me like Agalloch had no idea what they were doing. Nearly

every song drags and meanders along a repetitive riff, with melodic and acoustic passages thrown in

just for the hell of it. For that reason, it seemed to me like Agalloch, like I said in the review,

no longer have any idea what they are doing. That is the support taken straight from the review that

you say I never mentioned. I wish I knew what you mean by "you're not in the position to make that

statement." It is a statement I formulated after many repeated listens and three drafts of this

review. It's not like I said "Agalloch are mentally incapable of success." I was just stating my

honest opinion, one that I think may other people share.



In any event...thank you for the pos. Hoped I cleared things up. If not, let me know.

Judio!
May 7th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Gotta love that block text m/

Emyay
May 8th 2014


6282 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

yeah not a very well worded statement. could have said something like "run out of good ideas" or something like that.



anyway, listening to this album again now. sounds a lot better on my headphones than it did in my car. still not really sure how i feel about it

Judio!
May 8th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Well it's more than just running out of good ideas, but I get what you're saying. I'll see if I can somehow reword that.

Amphoteric
May 8th 2014


2014 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I thought the same thing when I first read that, it gave me the impression that you think you know what Agalloch should be doing more than they do by saying that.

KriegdemKriege
May 8th 2014


1544 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

You worded your thesis in a blunt, dramatic statement. There's no reason for me not to take it

literally. You said: "Agalloch has no idea what they're doing". That's seriously one of the most

arrogant things I've read on this site. The band knows what they're doing; they put out this album.

You can say that you don't like it, but you can't make judgment statements on their intentions. I

know it might seem like I'm making too big a deal out of this, but I really hate statements like

that in music reviews. It happens way too often, and there's no reason for those statements to be

made.



Also, I get that you're saying the album seems unfocused. But...doesn't your third to last paragraph

kind of contradict that statement?



DISCLAIMER: I'm not mad at you, I think you're a great reviewer. Please don't take offense if my

wording seems harsh. (:

Judio!
May 8th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

@Amphoteric: Sorry it came across the way. Since people seem to be dislike that statement, I am

definitely going to reword it. Also, I could be wrong, but since your comment came in the second

after this got another neg, I'm assuming you negged the review. If I were to reword that statement,

would you kindly retract your neg? Unless there is something else in this review that irks you, in

which case I will try my best to fix it.



@Krieg: Ok, you made a great case. I never meant for the statement to be taken as if I knew for a

fact that the band had no idea whatsoever what they were doing on this album; merely that it sounded

that way to me. But you're right, I guess it does sound pretty pretentious. Will edit it

immediately.



I don't think that paragraph contradicts my statement at all. Just because the band's sound is

unfocused doesn't mean that the members don't still kick ass.



And of course I don't take offense to what you're saying, I really appreciate your feedback. Three

people took it upon themselves to neg this review without any explanation why. If people

explained to me what was wrong instead of negging, I'd be a much better reviewer at this point.

Emyay
May 8th 2014


6282 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

with a divisive band like this, and with a bold review such as this, you're gonna get some negs. whether they are justified or not. its just gonna happen (i didn't neg btw)

Judio!
May 8th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

I know, but if people find something legitimately wrong with my review, I want to know. If I'm going

to be writing reviews professionally someday, I need to iron out all the flaws in my writing, and the

best way to do that is getting feedback from others.

Graveyard
May 8th 2014


6374 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

dark matter gods is definitely one of the worst tracks I've listened to so far this year.



those lyrics....

Emyay
May 8th 2014


6282 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

that's true but you kind of have to think that the best and most successful professional reviewers out there didn't get to where they were by worrying about negs, or hate mail or whatever

Judio!
May 8th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Generally I don't worry about negs since most of them are bullshit, but if there's a serious criticism with my writing like Krieg had, why shouldn't I want to know that?

KriegdemKriege
May 8th 2014


1544 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

I guarantee the negs are from Agalloch fanboys.



I'm glad you're cool about feedback Judio!



My point about the third to last paragraph was regarding this part:



"As usual, the album is cohesive and consistent in its sound. Each songs melds into the next, making the entire album feel like a complete experience."



How is that unfocused? If the album feels like a "complete experience", doesn't that disprove your thesis?

Amphoteric
May 8th 2014


2014 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

@Judio: I haven't pos'd or neg'd this review, must have been a coincidence

Judio!
May 8th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

@Krieg: Ugh, looks like something else I also worded badly. I meant to say that the albums has a

fluid, cohesive, natural flow, despite the unfocused nature of the songs individually. Like one song

transitions into the next perfectly, even though the next song isn't all that great. The way I worded

it totally disproves my thesis, but the point I was attempting to make does not. Overall that was very

badly worded...gonna fix that at once. Thanks for pointing that out!



@Amphoteric: Sorry, never mind then. Dammit, was really hoping that wasn't another ghost/troll neg.

Amphoteric
May 8th 2014


2014 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Idk why somebody would neg this anyway. That other review for this album however..

Judio!
May 8th 2014


8523 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

That's what I was trying to figure out. Since this is only my third review to ever to negged I figured they must have some reason...



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