probably won't get around to listening to this cuz i'm not a fan, but will say the yoncé-x remix ep is nice

So how much of this did she herself actually write

Wow she had 15 producers work on this album fuck shit fuck her

It is a legitimate argument Lol if she doesn't write it she's nothing more than a performer not an artist

Lol wow your a fuckwit

I asked how much she wrote calm down bitchy fanboys!

And yeah calling someone out for not writing "their" music is legit. She's a remarkable performer and personality of course

She was the lead writer for all of the songs and she took almost all of the decisions that were applied, and she was also producer in all of them, and also wrote, co-produced and co-directed all of the (17) videos


enough???

It makes perfect sense to me, I mean the song is about how they first had sex and shit, so putting his perspective along side hers makes a good companion piece

it's just the way he raps in general doesn't really go with the mood of the song, it's the same with Suit & Tie (although that song really didn't need him)

in fact Jay-Z made that song worse

"Holy Grail" is basically a really nice JT song that's ruined by Jay-Z. Again.

Album Rating: 4.0

"I suppose Elvis or 60s Motown aren't "real" artists either huh"



yeah this is a good counter argument. same with Ella Fitzgerald and any jazz musos who played/sang predominantly standards. it's almost like ripping on an actor for not having written the script. as long as i enjoy listening and credit is going where it's due, i don't care.

chris knows as always

If a painter paints something but gets a talented presenter to present it to people at a show, is the presenter the artist?

I'm not saying the enjoyment of an album should be lessened if the name on the cover didn't write the music, I'm saying that they shouldn't be out on a pedestal as an artist

No one's saying otherwise


No one cares

pointless argument fellas can't we just jam b and get along

Actually yeh Gwyn someone said previous page that whether or not someone writes doesn't matter

Tommy dude I'm just trying to have a legit musical debate not having a go at anyone. I am open to change my opinion if a valid argument is presented

yea man i know the discussion just seemed to be goin in circles and i wanted to bring some cheer and peace to the thread :]

Yeah fe dude I just get very defensive of music As art