idk why people think that music needs to make a statement to be good. that sounds pretentious. i've also noticed a lot of people who are criticizing this for being too fragmented enjoy things like marijuana deathsquads, which makes their criticisms seem disingenuous to me - like, they want so badly to criticize it so they'll say whatever comes to mind. i think the songs here are very coherent - especially come down to us. that's blatantly a song divided into two very distinct, coherent halves. these songs come across as very methodical to me (not that that detracts from my appreciation of the music). it's too hooky and layered to be 'free-flowing'
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i like EPs in general, probably because it's easier to make 30 minutes of excellent material than 60, but yeah i agree that for burial they work particularly well.
i agree with most of that gyro. i wasn't criticizing the EP at all really, if anything i was trying to make the argument that being free-flowing doesn't imply a lack of direction. i also called this sure-footed. it gives the impression of constant motion by using a lot of ideas in longer tracks, but i don't think for a second that any of it is a result of haphazardly stitching random ideas together.
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Album Rating: 4.0
@Gyro, they could be a nation for all I care. The reviews that have demonstrated to me their dubious nature come from different names. I don't know why you thought I was only talking about one person.
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sorry, i was more responding to the things you vaguely touched on, not accusing you of personally holding those ideas.
'i don't think for a second that any of it is a result of haphazardly stitching random ideas together.'
it blows my mind that people have actually said this. there are very distinct motifs.
one of the criticisms that bugs me most is that it's too 'cheesy'. i think burial is just getting sussed for not sticking to his tried-and-true sound this time around and instead delving in happier, catchier music.
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pitchfork never talks about the music enough, everything always has to be about what the artist/album means to the scene. they care more about things being "important" than they do about them being good. the writing is generally pretty good, and they often talk about details i would never learn about otherwise, but i don't generally like their style.
this is perfectly fair. see - that's why I go to pitchfork, though (very rarely, though). i generally appreciate their style. if i'm going to check an album out, it's likely because somebody whose taste i trust has recommended it or because i've liked that artist's offerings before - i can't remember i was simply convinced by an unknown reviewer to listen to something based on a comparison or description. the pitchfork review is usually supplemental to my listening - for instance, (i haven't read the burial review) i might go to read it if i want a little better understanding and appreciation of how it fits into his discography/the scene.
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the pitchfork review is usually supplemental to my listening - for instance, (i haven't read the burial review) i might go to read it if i want a little better understanding and appreciation of how it fits into his discography/the scene. this so much
one of the criticisms that bugs me most is that it's too 'cheesy'. i think burial is just getting sussed for not sticking to his tried-and-true sound this time around and instead delving in happier, catchier music. and also this
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personally -and this is coming from somebody who is not well versed in this sound nor in burial- i really enjoy this release, but can definitely see where people are claiming it's disjointed or whatever. as shallow as it might sound, i think i would appreciate this more if the first and last tracks were split into two apiece - i like this more for its parts than for its whole.
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if anything, there should be a presumption to respect the guy for shifting his aesthetic. that takes skill and guts. if you find that that shift negatively affects his music, then by all means make that argument, but a shift alone shouldn't be the base for any criticism. i really don't get that.
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i've never found "disjointed" to be a negative description though. something can be both meticulously constructed and disjointed.
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Album Rating: 4.0
"one of the criticisms that bugs me most is that it's too 'cheesy'. i think burial is just getting sussed for not sticking to his tried-and-true sound this time around and instead delving in happier, catchier music."
i think that's basically it. Kindred to me is a fairly different sounding work than Untrue, but the tone is similar. i get why it's jarring to people this time around but it's great he's doing something a bit different with it. i haven't heard it yet but I saw people dismissing the Grouper album from this year for being too similar to her other stuff. so it's hard to win.
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Album Rating: 4.0
"if anything, there should be a presumption to respect the guy for shifting his aesthetic. that takes skill and guts. if you find that that shift negatively affects his music, then by all means make that argument, but a shift alone shouldn't be the base for any criticism. i really don't get that."
agree 100% ^
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i mean, taste in music is hard to analyze even on a personal level. music criticism is almost always presented like "this music has these qualities, therefore this is my opinion," but if we're being honest opinions are always made way before we try to figure out why we like or dislike the music.
what i'm saying is that people make judgements and then rationalize them. pointing out flaws in a reviewer's rationalizations doesn't make their judgement any less valid.
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i've never found "disjointed" to be a negative description though. something can be both meticulously constructed and disjointed.
hm, that makes sense - i think there's some albums that benefit from it, but usually i prefer that sort of construct in albums very different from this... personally, Hiders just feels so... comfortable... and the tracks surrounding it, while awesome in their own right, are a little jarring -not in and of themselves- in their placement relative to the other tracks. i've only listened to this like ~8 times though, will be digesting much more.
either way, good discussion guyz
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but if we're being honest opinions are always made way before we try to figure out why we like or dislike the music.
absolutely. i'm reminded that with this release more than any in a long time, just talking about burial -an artist who i've really only begun to appreciate at all in the past few months/weeks- with long-time, well-versed fans. perspective is everything (as if that wasn't obvious before).
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Album Rating: 4.0
@ Gyro Yeah the complaints I cited are common. It isn't that I can't appreciate a difference in opinion, because that is the best part of sharing music. It is just that they do tend to glaze over the music itself and spend more time carrying on about personal life stories or some other anecdote that I for one give less than a shit about.
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Album Rating: 4.0
sup lioness
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Album Rating: 4.5
i just can't shake the fact that those die hard burial fan's were likely looking for flaw rather than appreciating the successes of this ep. when you have such a strong catalog, you tend to see that an artist can't "universally" succeed anymore because either you arn't giving what you've given before, or you're not changing and progressing.
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perspective is everything (as if that wasn't obvious before). exactly. i guess what i've been trying to say is that i don't have a problem with the arguments in these 2.5 reviews even though i disagree.
sputnik should always be like this, btw.
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Album Rating: 4.0
Sup Pleb. This is a 4 for me, too.
Sniper, I think everyone is too comfortable being immature to do so. It would be preferable, though.
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Album Rating: 3.5
i really dig the first track but the other two are like ~breakfast club~
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