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Yea, but I disagree. Lol

i'm always right i have science to back me up how you gonna act

Album Rating: 3.0

Slightly- If you form your science into a proper thesis, I want a copy.

my thesis is too underground to just hand out like that I only made 1.666 copies

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I was hoping to implement it in structured teaching of why I'm always right.

you could write your own it would verify your poser-slaying elitery

Album Rating: 3.0

Hmmmm..... that sounds like it could be spin-off of Conan the Barbarian.





"'Pit the Poser-Slaying Barbarian"

"And I love how everyone is taking this way out of context. WAY out of context.
Shredzilla- For one, if you look at the majority, I didn't just speak for it, I spoke about what I saw. When an album has a majority of 2.5-4 ratings, and 3 or 4 "5" ratings, whom do you trust? The 3 or 4 guys who consistently rate albums that aren't very good high, or the 200 other people who give the album the rating it deserves?"

I understand your point, man. Still, that doesn't mean it won't be fucking amazing to someone out there. Personally, a lot of people tell me As I Lay Dying suck because they are pretentious "true metal" bastards who can't stand metalcore. I actually like this band very much because I have taken my own time to listen to them. If I gave in to their overwhelming opinions on the matter, I would miss out on a band that I very much enjoy. Yes, there are terrible bands out there that pretty much suck to everyone's ears (Doomthrone mudda fudda!), but, hey, someone might love that shit! Doesn't make them stupid, just means that there is something about Doomthrone that gets those d's hard.

Album Rating: 3.0

"I understand your point, man. Still, that doesn't mean it won't be fucking amazing to someone out there. Personally, a lot of people tell me As I Lay Dying suck because they are pretentious "true metal" bastards who can't stand metalcore. I actually like this band very much because I have taken my own time to listen to them. If I gave in to their overwhelming opinions on the matter, I would miss out on a band that I very much enjoy. Yes, there are terrible bands out there that pretty much suck to everyone's ears (Doomthrone mudda fudda!), but, hey, someone might love that shit! Doesn't make them stupid, just means that there is something about Doomthrone that gets those d's hard."

I only called one person stupid, because they lacked a valid reason why this ranks as a five. That's all I'm trying to put across really, that all of these 5's I'm seeing for albums like this always lack a good supporting argument, and that, in my opinion, makes them sound biased to whatever album they are discussing. This, in no way, is a classic. A classic in metal is Powerslave, or City, or something of that caliber.

Album Rating: 4.0

Wow, this is an actually interesting and serious discussion. Just my two cents:

Why someone would rate this a 5? I gues it just the first impression. Not many people expected AILD to release a better record than AOBU, so this might've surprised them. And pretty much the first impression was: "Holy shit, this is fucking awesome! This is definetly a 5!" I personally try not to hurry and rate the album, in spite of how amazing to me it is. I usually let some time pass, re-listen to it, then decide if I should change the rating. I gave this a four, thinking to lower the score a bit now.

As for the rating itself... I remember what my music teacher said in primary school: "A classic is what doesn't fade with time" So, IMO, you can't rate new releases as "classics". If you really like 'em - give a 4.5 or a 4. An album deserves the perfect score only if it's been there for a while. Or if it's something groundbreaking and revolutionary. The Powerless Rise has neither of these qualities. It's simply a good, enjoyable metalcore record, at least for me

That's pretty much a perfect explanation of what a classic is. However, to some, this might be a classic. I love Scar Symmetry's "Holographic Universe," and, in my eyes, it is a classic because the songs never get old to me. This might be the same for the reviewer. However, I certainly do know what you are saying about rating an album too quickly. I've made that mistake quite a lot in the past.

Album Rating: 4.0

Exactly, it MIGHT be. Only time can tell. There was a lot of talk in this thread about fact and opinion. But, unlike the earlier discussed example on religion (wheather God exists), we might find out the real answer in time. If after, let's say, 10 or more years people will still remember this album, and hail it as a landmark achievement in AILDs career or even in the genre of metalcore - that will be the sign that it's a classic - and a fact.

Now, the users that give 5s to fairly new albums aren't propeths or anything. They don't know is time will cement this as a true classic, but there's always that possibility. Then again, that might not be the problem of the opinion, but of the ratings system itself. There is a rating that stands for "classic". So maybe it should become available to each album after decade or so? Maybe that would we fair and would solve this dilemma? (Sorry, didn't mean to rant so much)

Album Rating: 4.0

All this to say; music is subjective.

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^Well, that too.

Album Rating: 3.0

I agree that music is subjective, but most people on here go ahead and rate a record a 5 without truly listening to the album and hearing all it's elemnts

Album Rating: 4.0

Well, defining an album as "classic" shouldn't be up to the discretion of the user. It should maybe be a secondary element to the rating, because really, a classic album might not even be deserving of a 5.

Album Rating: 4.0

Well, a lot of people rate albums that just have bad reputation a 1, just because of that. But what can you do?

Personally, I think that what's separates the casual music fan from a somewhat seasoned one. A casual fan loves what he hears and that's that. if you have a longer relationship with music, of course you'll notice those rights and wrongs that the casual fan misses. But as I said, what can you really do about it? It's their right to believe that an album they like is good enough to be considered a classic (even if it isn't). Maybe after some time, they'll re-listen to it and think: "Hmm, I like it, but now i see it's not perfect"

Album Rating: 4.0

That's where you tread the fine line of elitism. I listen to the "elite" bands of the genre (Botch, Converge, Deadguy, Skycamefalling, etc), but I have no problem liking AILD, August Burns Red, and even The Devil Wears Prada every now and again.

Album Rating: 3.0

Bearded- I agree on that extreme as well. I'm glad that my ideas didn't spark a hailstorm of insults from other users, and rather sparked a pretty intelligent conversation. God, I must be maturing!



Nah, FUCK AILD, bunch of faggots.





Well, that just went out the door.

Album Rating: 4.0

@Buck: This has nothing to do with your maturity (or the lack of it). Sputnik just wasn't in the mood for another AILD flamewar.



@Emim: I think what you said describes the real "elitism". Immersing yourself in one particular genre and only listening to obsucure stuff is just closed-mindness IMO.