Lana Del Rey Norman Fucking Rockwell!
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StormChaser
July 14th 2022


3158 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

might have to 5 this



this is as effortless and real as it gets for an artist and especially for Lana



All of the songs are extremely memorable and beautifully arranged and sung



also completely agree with Sowing's points from the last page

toxin.
July 18th 2022


13043 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

i personally wouldn't call lana "insightful" but unless you're reading philosophy you're probably not getting original thought. i think NFR just articulates a certain sense of loss and detachment and regret really well. it's like enjoying a particular iteration of the hero's journey because it really vibes with you even if you are aware that you just watched star wars for the 100th time.

i can see why this wouldn't be up someone's alley tbh, my issue here was with that obnoxious sputnik ironic detachment which feels hella juvenile now that i'm not (close to) a teen anymore

Egarran
July 18th 2022


36866 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Now I'm curious to know who you'd call insightful.

Mort.
July 18th 2022


26405 Comments


everybody knows egotistical comedians are the new philosophers

i get all my insight from bill burr stand up

parksungjoon
July 18th 2022


47227 Comments


>mfw daddy carlin offends both sky fairy stans and pc woke brigade snowflakes

Mort.
July 18th 2022


26405 Comments


carlin did at least occasionaly have something observant to say that wasnt observant in the hacky shithead comedian 'everybody gets so offended these days' way




Egarran
July 18th 2022


36866 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

ok ok I was thinking someone like Joni Mitchell



carlin ftw ofc

JohnnyoftheWell
July 18th 2022


64287 Comments


music is for confirming emotional truths, and in my (observed) experience is not much good for recognising anything new in the world that you haven't already noticed on some level yourself (to which end i do get why this album is a doomer classic for so many, but i also dislike its romanticised opulent Big Zany Cinematic American Aesthetic trappings all the more for it). but yeah, not sure musicians (in that guise) have ever been the best people to look to for insight

parksungjoon
July 18th 2022


47227 Comments


Black Nationalist Sonic Weaponry

Egarran
July 18th 2022


36866 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

It's not easy to say who you find insightful is it?

Mort.
July 18th 2022


26405 Comments


other than actual philosophers, no

parksungjoon
July 18th 2022


47227 Comments


https://i.imgur.com/yMu74KU.gif

JohnnyoftheWell
July 18th 2022


64287 Comments


it's so possible to list insightful (on some level) people that it seems like an asinine chore, and in that sense is not easy no.
the author of the last book i read was insightful. a handful of my good friends are insightful. some members of my extended family are insightful. gandhi was insightful. go figure

Mort.
July 18th 2022


26405 Comments


my optician insightful





Mort.
July 18th 2022


26405 Comments


enter shikaris political lyrics
=insightful



parksungjoon
July 18th 2022


47227 Comments


does the spiritual facet of music (where applicable) fall under insight?

JohnnyoftheWell
July 18th 2022


64287 Comments


i would call that more of a catalyst/facilitator for the way people engage with it. i think music can be an insight into its creator or their circumstances (lol Brand New) but idk if it has any inherent 'insight' beyond that
more ontological commentary on music from mort plz

Mort.
July 18th 2022


26405 Comments


eyesight gives us a standard of perception that we assume to share. that is, if i point at some grass and say the grass is green, the other people know what i mean. they share the same perception. this is because on average people share the same quality of eyesight and arent colour blind etc.

however, this means there are actually several conditions needed for us to share the same perception. That is, grass appears a certain shade of green under THIS light condition, with THIS quality of eyesight, relating to THIS wavelength or whatever

similarly, a claim could be made about artistic perception, that is that we share perceptions based on certain conditions and DISPOSITIONS. This would help explain taste. For example, its certainly true that the music we are brought up hearing affects the music we enjoy later in life. You could say someone is DISPOSED to enjoying a particular metal track if certain conditions have been met (a familarity with rock/metal music, a particular immediate emotional state of being that disposes us to enjoying that track which would be particular to the track of course, and so on)

this could also help explain ethical decision making

ive also partly butchered it and an actual philosopher would be crying because of how specific and pedantic they all are but you get the general gist of it

ontologically this would make value judgements dependant on DISPOSITIONS

JohnnyoftheWell
July 18th 2022


64287 Comments


so if insight is something that we ascribe to someone who makes particularly precise observations of something that we perceive under the same conditions, and personal dispositions are a key factor in how perceive music, then it's fair to say that 1) music itself isn't necessarily any more or less insightful than grass, no matter how insightful the creator and 2) any insight we do glean through music is ultimately a product of our disposition?

Egarran
July 18th 2022


36866 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

One of the problems is that if you find an artist insightful, you will likely receive ridicule for it (could just be me, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it with other people).



So we're hesitant to share.



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