Refused The Shape Of Punk To Come
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antigravity
June 25th 2013


522 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

yea im turning 17 soon how did u know

SeaAnemone
June 25th 2013


21427 Comments


this isn't like definitively bad by any means
the answer is to just listen to more better punk and then you'll realize that this isn't particularly special or brilliant

antigravity
June 25th 2013


522 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

but obviously people who listened to more better punk think this is particularly special and brilliant given the average rating it holds here!

Kman418
June 25th 2013


13271 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

but the majority of the userbase probably hasn't heard more better punk while a lot of them still have heard this so they rate it accordingly lol

SeaAnemone
June 25th 2013


21427 Comments


but obviously people who listened to more better punk think this is particularly special and brilliant given the average rating it holds here!


or maybe the average rating is partially due the album being so popular amongst users who listen predominately to pop-punk and shitty post-hardcore and know nothing of punk that came before / around this that was better
but I'm generalizing lots here so I could be wrong
there's definitely people whose music taste I respect that love this album but more often than not it's the other way around

Gwyn.
June 25th 2013


17270 Comments


well i don't know why i'm arguing this but sputnik's ratings usually match the importance of the
albums in certain circles and depending on how old they are (except for pop punk which the site
generally doesn't like)


this is a very influencial and important punk album and all so obviously it'll be flooded by 5s and
shit, "classic" is entirely independent of scores

SeaAnemone
June 25th 2013


21427 Comments


wouldn't albums with much lower ratings necessarily have much more accurate ratings of those who know punk a little better? -- seeing as they took the time to find a little less-known release and therefore have probably listened to more?
yeah this argument isn't fullproof but I'm pretty sure yours is backwards

Gwyn.
June 25th 2013


17270 Comments


my argument can ultimately be boiled down to "people 5 because they think they "have to""


that's basically what i'm saying, if an album is really influencial and respected and all then it will
automatically get lots of 5s, extra points if it's from the 90s or older, normally by people who
probably haven't listened to many albums from the genre

now obviously not everyone who 5s is doing it for hive mind but people generally are sheep

SeaAnemone
June 25th 2013


21427 Comments


my argument can ultimately be boiled down to "people 5 because they think they "have to""


yeah I was talking to antigravity
I'm ambivalent towards your claim
actually I regard it positively it's kinda in line with mine

antigravity
June 25th 2013


522 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

it's cool sea i'm just pulling your chain, i haven't listened to this much nor am i much of a hardcore connoisseur or anything

Aids
June 25th 2013


24951 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

haha oh my god gwyn stop

antigravity
June 25th 2013


522 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

yeah gwyn what are you going on about



now obviously music is subjective but i think most albums with a classic status around here only have that because the quality is seen as being that good by a majority of people here. the obvious example is TDAGARIM which is hardly influential at all but extremely praised here. and i don't think anyone goes around 5'ing albums just because of how influential they were. there are plenty of people here who acknowledge the massive influence the beatles had for instance and don't 5 their albums

Cygnatti
June 25th 2013


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

eric is absolutely right though.



I was like, wow, the more posthardcore/noise rock from the 90s (aka around this time was released), and it really illuminates your mind to simply how much of a standard rock album this is.

SeaAnemone
June 25th 2013


21427 Comments


yeah sorry I sound like an idiot when I comment but I am right

SeaAnemone
June 25th 2013


21427 Comments


cygnatti used to listen to only the Wonder Years look how far he's come

Cygnatti
June 25th 2013


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

or maybe the average rating is partially due the album being so popular amongst users who listen predominately to pop-punk and shitty post-hardcore and know nothing of punk that came before / around this that was better but I'm generalizing lots here so I could be wrong there's definitely people whose music taste I respect that love this album but more often than not it's the other way around
possibly, except that this is also extremely highly praised in rym (about a 3.9 to 4.0, which is pretty much a sputnik 4.4 to 4.6 actually).

Cygnatti
June 25th 2013


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

cygnatti used to listen to only the Wonder Years look how far he's come
nah, my older adored them when he was 16, but I never got into them. and despite my previous statement it doesn't change that I still really really enjoy this, it's just that this doesn't seem so special at all, anymore.

SeaAnemone
June 25th 2013


21427 Comments


nah, my older adored them when he was 16, but I never got into them. and despite my previous statement it doesn't change that I still really really enjoy this, it's just that this doesn't seem so special at all, anymore.


jk bro I just know you used to be all about pop-punk

Cygnatti
June 25th 2013


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

yeah. I remember trying out pop punk andcas...eventually I realized that that could never happen. I was always pickier with my pop punk than he was, but eventually I just plain got bored of most/pretty much all of it so...



here I am, I guess.

Cygnatti
June 25th 2013


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

the obvious example is TDAGARIM which is hardly influential at all but extremely

praised here.
this is so wrong, unfortunately.



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