Metallica Kill 'Em All
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budgie
September 2nd 2020


42375 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

i meant to say without saying that solos used in KEA and some in RTL were already in the band's material before kirk joined

as far as kirk not contributing to the rhythm sections whatsoever, that may be true, i only know him mentioning how he came up with the main riff in enter sandman in that docu, and then i think bob rock fixing it up

Allergist
September 3rd 2020


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Album Rating: 3.5

James is the guy who writes 90% of the music, and then Lars is the one who offers minor suggestions, like “play that part four times instead of once” kind of stuff. Kirk and especially Rob just shrug and go “okay”.

Dewinged
Emeritus
September 3rd 2020


33079 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Hetfield wrote the majority of Kill'em all yes, with Ulrich and Mustaine in The Four Horsemen.



Burton and Heltfield are credited in Ride the Lightning as writers for half of the album with Ulrich too and Kirk being credited in Fade to Black and Creeping Death (although this one everyone knows this one should be credited to Gary Holt lol)



Kirk is also credited as the sole writer for half of Master of Puppets. Hetfield isn't even credited.



And so on.



Source: Discogs (which gets the info from whatever is written on the physical release.)

budgie
September 3rd 2020


42375 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"Hetfield wrote the majority of Kill'em all yes, with Ulrich and Mustaine in The Four Horsemen."

this is ref. rhythm section, solos of first 2 lps are alleged to be mustaines material, not entirely (on rtl), but mostly

el_newg
September 3rd 2020


2402 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Kirk gets credit for basically inventing thrash when playing with Exodus. They get overlooked because BBB wasn't released until 85, but Exodus were pretty much the first thrash band back in the very early 80s, along with Metallica.

budgie
September 3rd 2020


42375 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

that's fair



bananatossing
September 3rd 2020


2658 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"James is the guy who writes 90% of the music, and then Lars is the one who offers minor suggestions, like “play that part four times instead of once” kind of stuff. Kirk and especially Rob just shrug and go “okay”."



I think Lars contributes a bit more than that. Some of their best songs come from Lars, actually. But since James writes most of the riffs and lyrics I'd say he writes ~70% of the music. Otherwise your asessment is correct. Metallica works kind of like a movie production; where James is the writer, Lars the director and both Rob and Kirk are actors.

AlexKzillion
Emeritus
September 3rd 2020


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"Kirk is also credited as the sole writer for half of Master of Puppets. Hetfield isn't even credited."

lmao well discogs is wrong af. literally just watched an interview yesterday where James reminisces about writing the main riffs to MOP in his garage.

James has writing credits on every single song the band has ever put out besides "Anesthesia". Lars also has writing credits on every single song besides "Motorbreath".

TheSonomaDude
September 3rd 2020


10105 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Yeah Metallica is James, he's the best musician and the best writer of them

AlexKzillion
Emeritus
September 3rd 2020


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"this is ref. rhythm section, solos of first 2 lps are alleged to be mustaines material, not entirely (on rtl), but mostly"

There is a bit of truth to this. The Four Horseman (aka the mechanix or whatever), jump in the fire, phantom lord, and metal militia, as well as the ride t/t and the call of ktulu all had pretty sizable contributions from Mustaine... so much so that Mustaine would literally go on to re-use riffs and chord progressions from those songs in megadeth songs.

As for the solos, I swear I read a Kirk interview where he said he kept the first couple bars of every Kill Em All solo the same as how Mustaine played it out of respect or something.

budgie
September 3rd 2020


42375 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

idk dave wrote ktulu right and four horsemen, 2 out of 3 best metallica songs

or i guess he just came up with some of the riffs in them

budgie
September 3rd 2020


42375 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

oh he influenced phantom lord? the 3rd best metallica song? thanks dave u rule

budgie
September 3rd 2020


42375 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"As for the solos, I swear I read a Kirk interview where he said he kept the first couple bars of every Kill Em All solo the same as how Mustaine played it out of respect or something."



ah i read that kirk just adopted the existing solos from dave for all of KEA and some spilled over into the RTL recording

DePlazz
September 3rd 2020


4984 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"Kirk is also credited as the sole writer for half of Master of Puppets. Hetfield isn't even credited."

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this.

"Source: Discogs (which gets the info from whatever is written on the physical release.)"

Well, no.

Dewinged
Emeritus
September 3rd 2020


33079 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I mean, mostly, lol



But yeah the Master of Puppets written in some of the releases are a fun read.

DePlazz
September 4th 2020


4984 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Credits on the '86 physical MOP release:

Battery - Hetfield, Ulrich

MOP - Hetfield, Ulrich, Burton, Hammett

TTTSNB - Hetfield, Ulrich, Hammett

Welcome Home (Sanitarium) - Hetfield, Ulrich, Hammett

Disp Heroes - Hetfield, Ulrich, Hammett

Leper Messiah - Hetfield, Ulrich

Orion - Hetfield, Ulrich, Burton

Damage, Inc. - Hetfield, Ulrich, Burton, Hammett



So it's byebye, Discogs

TheSonomaDude
September 6th 2020


10105 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

doesn't Mustaine have a co-writing credit on Leper Messiah? I thought it was known that he wrote the fast thrasy riff in the middle of the song, or at least the scaley transition riff that plays right before it.

AlexKzillion
Emeritus
September 6th 2020


19072 Comments


He doesn't have an actual writing credit but yeah Mustaine claimed he did write it. I think James and Lars dispute it.

I could go either way tbh... could be but it also isn't a 100% Mustaine-ism in the same way, say, the clean bridge in phantom lord or the chords in Ktulu are.

CaliggyJack
January 2nd 2021


10964 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

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TheAntichrist
January 2nd 2021


4383 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

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