Album Rating: 4.5

zing

Album Rating: 4.5

tl;dr

can we talk about something for a change, like which of the EPs I should check out first?

Album Rating: 5.0

Drought

Album Rating: 4.5

already have drought, actually. bought the CD when it came out and it slays. it's the other three I'm too intimidated to dive in on. my b. yeah I'm thinking Kenose, which is, oddly, significantly longer than their last LP?

drought then kenose

Album Rating: 4.5

Kenose is 2nd best DsO after this for me.

Album Rating: 4.0

Chained > Kenose > Drought



As far as EPs go.

Album Rating: 5.0

this post is here because the site was fucking up

Album Rating: 5.0

one person doesn't get to decide if the art is a success or not. the artist decides. also I am a fan of Mikko and never criticized his art it was that other guy. I just agree with him that art can be objectively bad.

After reading all of Kenose lyrics and understanding the concepts and how it all ties together, I believe it's the most successfully realized EP they've done. The entire thing is an immersive experience.

Album Rating: 4.0

Ok, give me an example of something objectively bad. See if you can prove something is bad, because i guarantee thats impossible, mate.

Kinda hate to join this discussion, but the artist has no influence on anything about a piece of art once he gives it free to reception. A film can be meant as a serious piece of art and succeed at being a brilliant trash film. The intention doesn't matter. The author is dead. It's irritating how that still hasn't get through to people. A piece of art is independent from its maker like a human from his or her parents. There's only the influence left.

Album Rating: 4.5

or at least, it should be. but then commercialism enters the picture and you can forget about art's intrinsic merit.

Album Rating: 5.0

The intention is all that matters for me. A piece of art isn't independent from it's maker in my world. And I don't like the idea of deciding for the artist if they succeeded or not. If the artist has an idea in their head, they either captured it to their satisfaction or they failed to.

A fan can still like the art but they don't get to convolute the artist's vision.

A piece of art made as it is due to commercialism is still a piece of art and the reasons why it was made are irrelevant as they are. That said, it DOES have an influence on the piece of art itself, tend to make it feel lifeless, pointless, contrived. If that isn't the case, well, nothing wrong about commercialism. The problem is that it WILL be the case very, very often.

Eons, you're 300 years too late with that opinion. People had that "the artist is the genius and decides everything" mentality in the 18th century and I'm glad that I can look at a piece of art and see and judge it how I see it, while not giving a fart about what some guy I'll never talk to and whose intentions I'll never know tried to achieve with it.

Album Rating: 5.0

I only care about intentions, so. Intent matters to me. You aren't talking in context, here. I am speaking in the context of good or bad art. And in that context, a piece of art is a failure or it isn't. You can say it isn't for you, but you cannot say that it is or isn't successful in the artist's mind. Who cares if you like the piece of art or not. If I have a vision for something, I either fail or succeed in producing what's in my mind. A fan doesn't get to tell me or any other artist if I succeeded or not.

Why did you say you'll never know the artist's intentions? Why not? If you don't know the artist's intentions then you and I aren't talking about the same thing as I clearly stated that if you DO know the artist's intentions, you can judge if the art is a failure or not. ONLY IN THAT CONTEXT (x200000000).

Without intent, art has no power. Every brushstroke is done with intent. Every note played with some intent. To divorce intent from it completely makes things super dull and drab and uninteresting.

By the way, I am right and you're wrong if you disagree.

Intent is what forges a piece of art which is why I as the listener/viewer/whatever can feel it subconsciously. That's the influence of intent on the piece of art. And it's important, but if it isn't felt it might as well never have existed. Who the hell knows what Goethe thought? Or Shakespear? Maybe they didn't know themselves? Doesn't matter anyway,they're dead, the art belongs to who feels it. Any other view is undermining the power of art as a force independent from its creator.

Album Rating: 4.5

Kenose, got it.

Go for it!

Album Rating: 5.0

Up until the last point I agree, but there are of course bother ways of interpreting the creation and sharing of art and dismissing them that easily is a little narrow but I know that's the way I view my own art.



I tend to think that when art enters a more public space the definitions change from that somewhat but for sure that is the purpose of most art in the beginning