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Even then you cant prove that he sucks. What if you think its a good thing that he cant paint exactly what he wants to?

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sure I can, he tried something and failed he isn't talented enough to do it, therefore as an artist he's inadequate

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Say you tried to emulate an artist's style in school art class. You learn about Picasso and get a C on your passable interpretation. Just as good as an original huh? Why are there even grades of there's no objectivism?

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idk how to do my craft well but thats the art of it man, you just don't get it bro

On a more serious note it's perfectly fine to assess a piece of art along technical and/or compositional criteria, and if you wanna study at an academy which judges in accordance with age old fundamentals then you'll have to brush up on what's required, sure.

But the notion of "good" or "bad" art on the grounds of enjoyability is and always will be subjective, and you aren't gonna hold an anarcho-punk record to the standards of the common-practice period or vice versa.

I never said a pasta painting and a Turner piece are comparable, just quipped at JS19's rather flexible line of defense and the laughably snooty attitude that came with it.

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"sure I can, he tried something and failed he isn't talented enough to do it, therefore as an artist he's inadequate"



all that proves is that he tried something and failed. Someone might think the outcome was better than the intended idea. Still cant prove that its good or bad, its still in the eye of the beholder.

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Mate, i wasn't being purposefully snooty I was reacting the way anyone who has a side of an argument but has people write abusive shoutbox messages for stating an opinion would no?



And people definitely did say there was zero objectivity in art and went so far as to call me an idiot for disagreeing. I'm aware that there are two sides and I'm simplifying the argument for arguments sake but its not exactly a marginalised opinion is it?



Idk genuinely would have been cool to talk about it and how else do you expect people to respond when the bar is already lowered by someone else. Probably could have said it in a nicer way but I don't exactly blame myself for not being magnanimous...

band est muy mucho excellente

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Also true

Nobody here sent you those shouts and it's pretty obvious who it was - and you weren't being magnanimous. You barged in and assumed the intentions of those who dabble in more than one medium, implied there's some universal standard by which art is judged, then backtracked by saying it was your opinion, but now your doubling down? idk dude, can't be that hard to see why you got such a response.

I don't think anyone here denied that standards for traditional works of which the intention can clearly be discerned exist, but you kinda rocked up outta nowhere and said "bad art is bad art is bad art but you gotta know art to know that" which generally isn't the best way to break the ice given the kinda conversation you were apparently seeking to have.

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''Someone might think the outcome was better than the intended idea.''



Well, that's fine but the art itself (the artists intentions being taken into account) is a failure. i mean it literally is a bad piece of art in that context. it's not meant to be what it is so it's a failure.

Any artist that tries something and fails made bad art. 'bad' doesn't necessarily mean it isn't pleasant or good to listen to or view. it just means the idea wasn't executed well. it's literally a failure. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

Sure, but that criticism can't really be levied at Mikko and co. as I doubt they were trying to emulate someone else with art that is purposefully transgressive. A key phrase you used there is "in that context"; if you're studying traditional art and the fundamentals that define what is "good" and what isn't, your work will be judged by how closely it adheres to them. Anything transformative, whether technically deft or plainly botched, will be considered a negative. This is why "objectivity" in art is a pretty shaky concept.

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Once again, someone might not think the failure is a bad thing. Good and bad are absolutely not provable.

Starry Night wouldn't fly in the Baroque era and the Mona Lisa makes for a pretty bad take on impressionism, ya feel?

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Yeah I know that's why I said I hadn't acted that way when I could have done and admitted it but neither were you so why are we held to different standards here? Why do you get leeway to not take the high road and make broad statements but apparently I'm so awful when I do the same. Idk this is just a bit silly now tbh I regret not just ignoring it but I didn't.

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Well no I didn't say that and I don't think that - If that's what you took away from it idk man that's not what I intended? Just said that art has the capacity to be bad and if you think no art can possibly be bad you probably don't understand it very well which I stand by.

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I apologise for coming across as an arse new and if anyone knows me from around here I do tend to admit when I've done something wrong just wasn't sure what was so divisive about not agreeing with a blanket statement in the first place even if i could have been cooler about it my bad

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As for your second comment man I totally get that and it wasn't my intention to mean it that way so that genuinely was my bad. I was going for a not so serious tone and it didn't pull off well

of course art can be bad I mean ghoulgotha exists